[Path-Shaper]

Thyrllan, on 26 October 2010 - 06:22 AM, said:

I'm not entirely certain, but I'm pretty sure that Liosan just pointed a double-barrel shotgun at his foot and blew it right the fuck off. Then he picked that severed, bloody foot up, and shoved it into his own mouth, while crying out that it was his victory feast, and we're all just jealous at his triumph.

Seriously, he's gotten himself completely spun around in his argument.

[Thyrllan]

Posting this before reading ANYTHING:

I must have got tag-teamed with NKs, and my Iron only covered one. Sort of what I expected.

OK, time to read-up.

[Thyrllan]

So, Iron can't protect against spikes?

Hmmm.

[HoosierDaddy]

It follows canon explicitly, Thyr. SI was ever,. by FAR, the greatest threat.

[Gamelon]

Path-Shaper, on 25 October 2010 - 09:39 PM, said:

Silencer's a bit agitated, hence a wall-o-text.

Liosan, on 25 October 2010 - 09:32 PM, said:

Pre-post edit: Thanks Tulas, FOR POINTING OUT THE OBVIOUS.

Good, 'cuz when I eventually get lynched, I'm going to need some enjoyment.

The silly thing is, this isn't even 'smooth' as far as I'm concerned. Maybe compared to the disaster that was the Mockra lynch, or the poor defence by Emurlahn of his case...but I'm actually hardly posting anything useful since day one, and essentially saying that I'm playing 'smooth' is saying that I'm the guy with the most posts who everyone THINKS is scum but can't find shit on to aid that.

Part of it is the fact that our case quality has gone down the drainpipe. I hate to join the ranks of the "Old Guard", bemoaning the lost Golden Age of Mafia, but I honestly think that either everyone is getting too good, or we have all lost the ability to make cases. OR:

These days, it seems to me that the quality of the case is almost irrelevant, as is the level of defence. Once a case is started, you will get lynched, it's just a matter of time. There isn't any satisfactory defence, there isn't any truly outstanding case you can bring. There is only lynch-today and lynch-later. At best you can deflect, find new cases, and hopefully last as long as possible, but if there's nothing else available, you're screwed. So far, we've seen cases in this one game which are predicated on: noobishness, misreading the rules and poor self-defence, "smooth play", naming a character from a book that is relevant to the discussion, being not-at-logger-heads with another player, and really, I don't even know what the case is against Gamelon, other than that someone revealed on him.

Does this sound like mafia? To me it sounds like a foregone conclusion waiting to fucking happening. Where are the pages-long quote-cases? The arguments of epic proportions? Where are the Weasels, the Asplosions (Vengy got close, but that was emocide), the drunken rants, the INVOLVEMENT.

It seems to me like no-one actually has the time to play, or the will to play, and those of us that do just end up getting frustrated - because to fit in these days you have to go along with this shit (or do you????) or else you just become the next target. I can honestly appreciate why Vengeance emocided this game, he was getting railroaded on a bullshit case on day one...and yet, we never used to struggle to get a day one lynch! It's like...half of it, we don't accept the same bullshit we used to, but the other half - it now makes up the entirety of the game!

I dunno, I'm rambling. But still, it just feels ODD. This whole setup these days...ugh.

(Not criticising the game, by the way...you guys seem to have done a great job from down here...though the scum hunt in a faction game is a bit annoying...especially AS that scum, lol. It's nothing wrong with the setup of the game, anyway...)

Path-Shaper, on 25 October 2010 - 09:38 PM, said:

Hey buddy, I wasn't around in the "Golden Age" but you've seen me play... and no lynch goes without my careful scrutiny and discussion, and you can bet I'll reveal if necessary, true or fake.

But you're mostly right, once someone becomes suspicious it's like they are always suspicious for no particular reason. I had a pretty good idea for a game a while back that would require players to really analyze posts rather than just play off of existing ideas, but it never really got any steam in my head.

Not sure if there's an answer or not. Maybe Mafiascum? That's a big community, so maybe a few tips could be learned. It could just be stale here.

Maybe it's a bit due to myself getting killed, but I agree with Silencer to an extent. I'm never going to be a huge poster as I can't post from work, but the cases this game were just bad. If I had been on within an hour or two of Galain's "reveal" there would have been two votes on me, his and the one from Tulas (nice fake sympage by the way, if it was intended, you had me sold ). That is the entire reason I ran off the lio lynch case, there was no case and it seems that nobody was willing to offer anything else or call Thyr on it. The bad math bit about Shadow and Korv I sent in is a stronger case than anything Lio or I faced. It really seems that the first case presented is being taken as gospel.

Chances are Silencer gets lynched tomorrow, and hopefully my posts get Galain the day after. With Thyr dying tonight, that removes all the power roles and maybe we still have a chance at winning.

[Thyrllan]

Silencer needs to stop bitching about "smooth" being a good case.

It's a shitty case, but it's all I had against someone I knew was scum. He would have taken a lot longer to suspect (at least another Day) if I didn't have that hard information.

My hitting Liosan on Night 1 upset a lot of potential outcomes, and really just made his lynching - and my NK death - inevitable.

And I was hugely thrown off by Pewter - I thought it would really be useful even against the SI.

[Path-Shaper]

Thyrllan, on 26 October 2010 - 07:14 AM, said:

Silencer needs to stop bitching about "smooth" being a good case.

It's a shitty case, but it's all I had against someone I knew was scum. He would have taken a lot longer to suspect (at least another Day) if I didn't have that hard information.

My hitting Liosan on Night 1 upset a lot of potential outcomes, and really just made his lynching - and my NK death - inevitable.

And I was hugely thrown off by Pewter - I thought it would really be useful even against the SI.

Yeah, I really didnt expect the power roles to be damn near exclusive NA targets, it messed with my balance a little. I couldn't really state that pewter is only useful against the mistings, no one would have used it. Mistborn and SI are pretty much immune at night, which balanced out - you guys couldn't get guarded either.

And canon-wise the SI are un-fucking-stoppable, I had to do some serious nerfing to get them to be a playable role. But I did want to keep the fact that the guy is a huge threat, albeit one that has several different ways of being found out, should people either get lucky (as you did), or put two and two together (as some of the Seekers and Tineyes are starting to do).

Shame, if Silencer hadn't targetted a Kandra night two, he would have had a recruit today and possibly have done enough to still win after his death. Pretty unlucky game for him so far.

[Path-Shaper]

Korabas is upset. I hope he feels better when he finds out his actions failed because he pinged every power role in the game. If he had hit one normal person he might actually have figured out why his other actions failed.

Korabas, on 26 October 2010 - 06:42 AM, said:

Bogus metal. THEY SOLD ME BOGUS METAL I TELL YE!

Might as well have been role-less. Fuck.

Korabas, on 26 October 2010 - 07:27 AM, said:

Note: part of me is pretty disappointed that I didn't get killed on this night. I don't really know what to do now this far in the game. Build logical cases? WHAT? PREPOSPEROUS! Also could mean I'm not apparently seen as a threat to anyone, either. Nor a potential good recruit. Meh.
2 more days before the Inquisition wins, max. Votes should also come a lot quicker now, so faster days, too. Done by tomorrow evening? Can't wait to see the spoiler thread.

Sounds like you are having fun Welcome to love/hate world of mafia

Ruse, on 26 October 2010 - 07:18 AM, said:

burn steel on korvalain tonight please

Will do

Liosan, on 26 October 2010 - 06:54 AM, said:

I'll let you know later in the day...if I have the chance.

Thanks PS.

@Thyrllan - Suck it, mofo! You must have seen that coming, surely? But at best you actually helped me by pointing out you'd guard me. Now I can't possibly be responsible for killing you!

This will probably be a short-lived day for me. I am looking forward to joining you all in spoiler heaven soon.

Love,

Liosan.

XD

No problems, have fun

[Path-Shaper]

Hmm, with a lio lynch today if galain hits anyone that isn't on his team the Venture will win tonight.

If Galain hit Ruse or Shadow though, it might result in a tie of some sort, but with one more steel after tonight Venture still has a huge advantage.

[Path-Shaper]

Liosan, on 26 October 2010 - 08:47 AM, said:

What's interesting here is that the faction mechanics are finally coming into play.

With only 8 players remaining, and two factions down to 2 players, the survivors are realising that, perhaps, the Inquisitor isn't their largest threat. They're almost buttfucked anyway, and if a Mistborn is alive on the other faction, it could end very, very badly for them.

Assuming at least one Mistborn has been hit, the three kills last night is interesting, for them, because it means that either a coinshot took a gamble, or I'm definitely not the Inquisitor.

This could end up quite good for me today...long shot, but I'm ever hopeful, lol.

Tulas Shorn, on 26 October 2010 - 08:44 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 26 October 2010 - 06:39 AM, said:

You could not detect any metals being burnt by Liosan

You have one piece of Bronze remaining

OK

[Path-Shaper]

ooh, and Ruse goes and possibly scuttles his house's win...

Ruse, on 26 October 2010 - 09:09 AM, said:

or if liosan is inquisiotr burn steel on shadow please.

Noted

[Path-Shaper]

Liosan, on 26 October 2010 - 09:29 AM, said:

Ugh, I hate this waiting.

What's worse is that even if one more player gets on, I might not get lynched by virtue of the anti-lynch precaution I used last night. Lol.

[Tattersail_]

is that a lynch? Galain just voted. It's been so good today, 117 notifications in my hotmail, reading through with a bacon and egg barm, delicious and exciting reading. As it's a game people who play smooth may look to play a little rough, maybe a little obvious so that people will look the other way. It is the first mafia I have watched and I am definitely thrilled, I found I was playing along without even knowing it :s

[Path-Shaper]

oh boy, it just gets better, Venture is destroying what could have been an easy win.

Galain, on 26 October 2010 - 10:33 AM, said:

Burn Iron
Burn Steel - kill Shadow

Burn Brass on Ruse
Burn Zinc on me

Burn Bronze on Telas

Noted

Ruse, on 26 October 2010 - 10:51 AM, said:

ouch - my mistborn just knocked liosan for six. sweet

maybe he will realise i am on his team. fucking doubt it:)

mistborn cant be recruited can they?

[Path-Shaper]

Tattersail, on 26 October 2010 - 10:56 AM, said:

is that a lynch? Galain just voted. It's been so good today, 117 notifications in my hotmail, reading through with a bacon and egg barm, delicious and exciting reading. As it's a game people who play smooth may look to play a little rough, maybe a little obvious so that people will look the other way. It is the first mafia I have watched and I am definitely thrilled, I found I was playing along without even knowing it :s

Liosan nerfed Telas's vote last night, so it will take another vote before Lio is lynched. Glad you are enjoying yourself.

And the whole thing about playing smooth was bullshit on thyr's side, he just didnt have anything else to go after Lio with after he got told Lio is scum. The rest of his faction of latched onto it of course and proceeded to wax lyrical and push the case. Lio is right to be a bit irritated about being lynched for being too smooth, only what he doesn't know is he's actually being lynched because Thyr tried to kill him night one.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 26 October 2010 - 11:40 AM

[Path-Shaper]

Stalker feeling a little helpless, but he's still got some hope.

Korvalain, on 26 October 2010 - 03:56 PM, said:

haha ok. Doesn't matter now anyway, I have no need to figure out who anyone is when most of my faction is dead. I knew Thyr's rant/rampage would get him targeted.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 26 October 2010 - 04:12 PM

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Good Game Alt. It was set up well imo.

What the hell is galain doing Killing someone when his team has the superior numbers? You only Kill if you KNOW that person isn't your follower. If you are just guessing, maths say you are more than likely gonna hit your own people :facepalm:

[Path-Shaper]

Stuck waiting on Tapper at the moment... he's got one piece of Bronze, if he wants to use it.

This could really go poorly for him if he takes too long and Dibs shows back up or Bent shows back up and one of them changes the kill. As it stands, Ment got himself in hot water by lynching Gamelon instead of voting Liosan, and as such, will be killed by both members of his faction.

Then it will be 2 v 2 v 2. Both House E and House D do not have any killing powers left, so they may try to gang up on House V... Bent neutered his own teammate with Brass so his Zinc really just replaces that. It will take all 4 of the non House D people to lynch Bent (or Dibs), however.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 26 October 2010 - 04:42 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Good plan from Stalker. Using his knowledge to his advantage.

Korvalain, on 26 October 2010 - 04:45 PM, said:

also, If I am still alive tomorrow. I am going to be making a play against Venture. I know two of their members, who may or may not survive tonight. Either way, one of them will die, as hopefully my remaining ally as well as Deveaux see that supporting me advances their goals. That's the plan.

Ah, and Tapper's "mistake" causes a ripple which could give him power... House D will be down to 1 now.

Ruse, on 26 October 2010 - 04:58 PM, said:

night kill korabas instead.

if i survive i will announce the kill failed but shadow was steel inquisition. then lynch him get to remove part of a different faction

Ah, poor Ment... I'm going to have to break his heart soon.

Shadow, on 26 October 2010 - 05:00 PM, said:

no action

whew, you amde me think I was dead, lol

[Path-Shaper]

Tapper has officially made a massive mistake by having no action. House V will have 3 tomorrow (only 3 votes), the other houses will also have 3. Bent will be able to team up with Shadow and lynch off whoever he wants... if they don't lynch Shadow, that is. Conversely, if the 3 survivors of Houses D and E vote, they can take out whoever they want.

Galain, on 26 October 2010 - 05:08 PM, said:

Change my night action on Kill Shadow to no kill please. Ruse is going to try and take him out so it would be wasted, and I dont trust myself enough yet to shoot someone else.

Galain, on 26 October 2010 - 05:09 PM, said:

To clarify - do not use steel tonight, but keep the others as they were. Thanks