[Morgoth]

stone monkey, on 30 October 2010 - 11:54 AM, said:

I'm with Abyss on this one (sorry Apt) Superman is an alien god. The threats he's called on to battle should be of equal stature. Superman 2 is a better film than Superman entirely because the threat he faces is equal to him. Huge property grabs by Lex Luthor leave me a bit cold.

One of the many things Nolan got right with his treatment of the psychology of Batman was the tension between the identities. He saw, correctly, that The Batman was the person that the child who saw his parents murdered in an alley grew up into and that Bruce Wayne is the disguise. It's the opposite way with Superman; the Clark Kent who grew up on the farm in Kansas is the real person whereas Superman, the vastly powerful and benevolent alien god is the disguise. An interesting emotional arc for the film would imo be him coming to terms with that; Nature vs Nurture if you will....

Give me somebody like Bizarro, Braniac, Darkseid or Mongul in the new movie and I'll be happy. Notice that all of these are also alien gods, but they're the antithesis of Superman - they throw the humanity that Kal-El has learned into sharp contrast.

I'm not much of a comic book reader, so I might be a bit off I guess, but my impression is that Clark Kent the journalist is the alter ego. Clark Kent of the farm is perhaps his true self while Superman is whom he feels he should be.

[Aptorian]

It's the other way around with Superman Morgoth. People like Batman or Spiderman, have to put on a mask and take on a personality to become the superhero. Superman doesn't hide he is always there, he has to put on a pair of glasses and act like a dork to pretend that he is a human.

He just wants to fit into society, but in reality he is a god.

[stone monkey]

Again I'm going to have to disagree with you Apt. As I said, the person Superman thinks he really is is Clark Kent. That's who he was raised to be. The persona of Superman is how Clark Kent does the things he thinks he should his power for. Superman only exists because he allows Clark Kent to the things he can't do as Clark Kent.

Although, as in most things, it's a matter of interpretation; which has changed over the years. But iirc the one most writers put on it nowadays is the one I've detailed.

This post has been edited by stone monkey: 31 October 2010 - 12:25 PM

[Morgoth]

Well, I've only ever read my dad's old superman comics form the sixties and Red Son. My impression is that Superman makes Clark Kent more ridiculous in order for him not to be connected to Superman. It's not as much the glasses as the way he acts, his clumsiness etc. It's clearly an act so I can't see how one could argue that the Clark Kent of the newspaper is whom he really is.

[stone monkey]

I think, although I could be wrong (interpretation again) that both of them are disguises in some way. But Clark Kent, the decent midwestern farmboy, is more who the character sees himself as. The alien god, Superman, is what he uses to get things done.

[dktorode]

But one could argue that as superman he can be more himself than as dorky news guy clark kent.
Because he does not have to hide as much as superman than what he does as Clark.

This post has been edited by dktorode: 01 November 2010 - 07:56 AM

[Tsundoku]

Didn't someone post something a while back about how Supes hides himself from the world at large as a bumbling idiot (in the classic milieu) because he has contempt for humanity? I don't necessarily agree with it, but it was interesting to read at the time.

[dktorode]

This will explain it

[Primateus]

Sombra, on 01 November 2010 - 08:10 AM, said:

Didn't someone post something a while back about how Supes hides himself from the world at large as a bumbling idiot (in the classic milieu) because he has contempt for humanity? I don't necessarily agree with it, but it was interesting to read at the time.

That may have been true for the Silverage superman, but I don't see it as true anymore.

[Tsundoku]

@dkt
Huh, there you go. How come I don't remember that from the film? Then again, my memory is notoriously poor for details.

@Primateus
Hence my ref as it being from classic Superman, not contemporary.

This post has been edited by Sombra: 01 November 2010 - 10:04 AM

[Aptorian]

dktorode, on 01 November 2010 - 08:34 AM, said:

This will explain it

That was exactly the interpretation I was thinking about. Weird, I thought I'd read it in an article originally, but this is definitely it.

Of course, Bill here, is drawing his own conclusions about Supermans character. And you can argue about what kind of person Superman is, but the classic superman of old, fits this perfectly.

[Tiste Simeon]

As long as Snyder doesn't make him into the whiny teen angsty pansy boy of Smallville I will be happy...

[Primateus]

Sombra, on 01 November 2010 - 10:02 AM, said:

@dkt
Huh, there you go. How come I don't remember that from the film? Then again, my memory is notoriously poor for details.

@Primateus
Hence my ref as it being from classic Superman, not contemporary.

Ahh, yes, I hadn't noticed that. My bad.

[dktorode]

AND....

Hans ZImmer is doing the score

Quote

Zack Snyder's SUPERMAN will not be carrying over John Williams's iconic main theme, first heard in Richard Donner's 1978 film and resurrected for Bryan Singer's 2005 continuation. Snyder has instead enlisted Hans Zimmer to score his top-down reinvention of the DC Comics superhero.

great move

If they want to reinvent the character they are going to have to do it from the bottom up...starting with a new score.
Any nod to the Christopher Reeve era SUPERMAN films would be confusing and provoke unwanted nostalgia when ithe idea is to establish a clean break from the previous iteration.

This post has been edited by dktorode: 02 December 2010 - 10:00 AM

[Tiste Simeon]

Agreed - it's needs to be a reinvention and not a remake. Like there was no hint of the "NANANANANANANANANANA BATMAN!" or whatever in Nolans films about him...

[dktorode]

Henry Cavill has been officially cast as the new superman.

This post has been edited by dktorode: 31 January 2011 - 08:42 AM

[Silk]

Pathos, on 30 October 2010 - 12:27 PM, said:

is there any place where one can get a good summary of all the comics? I want to start getting to know the comic book worlds better but dont even really know where to start or how to get my hands on old story lines for any of them.... Plus there are so many different arcs and stuff i dont know how they all fit or which i must read before i can read which one and so on


From what i have seen the whole comic book shop thing does not happen here in pretoria where i live.

Going back a bit in time here.... there was a very good comic store in Edenvale if you can get there

[stone monkey]

Silk, on 31 January 2011 - 09:04 AM, said:

Pathos, on 30 October 2010 - 12:27 PM, said:

is there any place where one can get a good summary of all the comics? I want to start getting to know the comic book worlds better but dont even really know where to start or how to get my hands on old story lines for any of them.... Plus there are so many different arcs and stuff i dont know how they all fit or which i must read before i can read which one and so on


From what i have seen the whole comic book shop thing does not happen here in pretoria where i live.

Going back a bit in time here.... there was a very good comic store in Edenvale if you can get there

tbh - I wouldn't even bother trying to catch up on the history of an 80 year old character. If you want to read what I would say is the distilled essence of Superman, I'd recommend you have a look at All Star Superman. Not only are they brilliant Superman comics, they're just brilliant comics period.

[Beezulbubba]

Amy Adams to play Lois Lane in Superman

LINK

[RodeoRanch]

Nice. She's got the spunk to be Lois and the acting chops to not have it suck. Kate Bosworth was so awful!