[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

I thought the Empty Hold took the place of what the Hold of Death should have been, but wasn't due to Gothos' ritual.

[The Seguleh 46th]

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 25 September 2010 - 10:29 PM, said:

I thought the Empty Hold took the place of what the Hold of Death should have been, but wasn't due to Gothos' ritual.

About 300 pages into my reread now, and while i still have very little clue of what the Empty Hold is (and how it translates to Warren), i think what you said above is probably spot on. IIRC, the Letherii have nothing for Death under there current setup? I should probably reread my reread so far, huh?! BTW, you guys on here were right on....this book is crazy good so far the second time around!

[Abyss]

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 25 September 2010 - 10:29 PM, said:

I thought the Empty Hold took the place of what the Hold of Death should have been, but wasn't due to Gothos' ritual.

if that were the case why would it be significant that there was no Hold of Death in Leth, or that the dead Azath became it?

There are various refs to the Empty Hold and Empty Throne in MT that support this. i can't recall or find any that link it to death.

[Silk]

I thikn Mael makes a comment about how there should have been a hold of death .......

[Abyss]

Silk, on 28 September 2010 - 02:28 PM, said:

I thikn Mael makes a comment about how there should have been a hold of death .......

That too.

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

Abyss, on 28 September 2010 - 02:24 PM, said:

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 25 September 2010 - 10:29 PM, said:

I thought the Empty Hold took the place of what the Hold of Death should have been, but wasn't due to Gothos' ritual.

if that were the case why would it be significant that there was no Hold of Death in Leth, or that the dead Azath became it?

There are various refs to the Empty Hold and Empty Throne in MT that support this. i can't recall or find any that link it to death.

I'm not saying it is the Letherii equivalent of the Hold of Death, I am saying that the Empty Hold rose out of the absence created by the lack of death, and became its own thing. But I'm not certain of that, it was just the impression I got from reading, thats why I threw it out there to be shot down like a skeet disc.

[HoosierDaddy]

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 28 September 2010 - 04:52 PM, said:

Abyss, on 28 September 2010 - 02:24 PM, said:

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 25 September 2010 - 10:29 PM, said:

I thought the Empty Hold took the place of what the Hold of Death should have been, but wasn't due to Gothos' ritual.

if that were the case why would it be significant that there was no Hold of Death in Leth, or that the dead Azath became it?

There are various refs to the Empty Hold and Empty Throne in MT that support this. i can't recall or find any that link it to death.

I'm not saying it is the Letherii equivalent of the Hold of Death, I am saying that the Empty Hold rose out of the absence created by the lack of death, and became its own thing. But I'm not certain of that, it was just the impression I got from reading, thats why I threw it out there to be shot down like a skeet disc.

Page 727-729 of Midnight Tides Bantam MMPB is the discussion of Buff and Tehol on why there is no Hold of Death. No talk about it replacing the Empty Hold, but I still think it's around there somewhere.

This post has been edited by H.D.: 28 September 2010 - 06:06 PM