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Posted 22 August 2010 - 10:43 PM

I tried.

I really, really tried.

THE BLACK PRISM, Brent Weeks (author of the tremendous Night Angel trilogy) new book, the first in the new series with new characters, in a new world, with a new magic system and political intrigues.....was not what I was expecting.

First off, it's fairly big (compared to the previous efforts) 628 pages in hardcover. The magic system is....er....unique...a little hard to get a grip on (until I associated it with the Green Lantern Corps....using light to form objects with different light spectrum colours producing different styles of the magic, called Luxin).

Okay. I stopped at around page 322. that is how long I gave this book before I had to stop reading. I figure 322 pages is enough of a (give him a shot, he's a great author) chance.

I was never enthralled. It took at least 100 pages before I could fully understand the intricacies of the magic system, and by that point I was kind of annoyed.

No one feels like they particularly needed me to cheer for them. The main protagonist, Kip, feels a little too unsure of his surroundings even by the 300 page mark...he is still getting his bearings and isn't firmly rooted in the story. That bothered me. Secondly, he seemed to be written with two different pens...one where he is a smartass and likes telling off nasty superiors or evil folk...and the other where he is ashamed of himself and doesn't really have a voice. He is no Azoth...let along Kylar Stern...and he doesn't impress me at all and I found I didn't much care for him.

Gavin Guile....another main character.....wow...another one I wanted to care about. His story is interesting...but even his plot twists...which are pretty predictable didn't really blow me away. I find that he is to broadly painted to be endearing.

Liv Danavis is...okay. She's at least a bit interesting, and I cared what happened to her...but again, she is an underdog with a smart mouth. A character trait that bothers me....if you get picked on...then smirking at the girls who picked on you when they get in trouble is a good idea? Doesn't that make you as bad as they? I dunno. I liked her, but I am starting to think I was reaching for SOMEONE to like and she was one of the only ones I liked.

Coravan Danavis....now this guy was easy to like. I cared. Old soldier. General. Played for the "wrong side" during the wars. I rooted for him....but he's not in it enough. His part is kind of on the sideline for much of the half of the book I read.

Sigh. I think my main issue was that I didn't care about anyones plotlines. In contrast, I cared about every last character in the Night Angel trilogy and what happened to them. I cared about Azoth and DollGirl like 30 pages in FFS!

I want to tell you that monumental stuff happens in the first 322 pages of an over 600 page book...but it doesn't. Imagine this....Harry Potter's Parents die, he lives for a few years with his Aunt and Uncle...then he get's sent off to Hogwarts and has his first day of class. That's what? Maybe the first chapter or two of the first HP book....well that's essentially all that happens in the first THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY TWO PAGES of this book. Oh my god, I tried Brent! I so tried. I'm so sorry bro. You're still a good author and I will likely come back to this book and read the second half at some point down the road...but for now as I sat reading it and the book just kind of plodded along and wasn't holding my interest...there were other books in my to-read pile beckoning to me and asking to have time spent in their worlds. So I stopped.

I have a friend who is a completionist...and I seem to recall him reading a book of religiously infused, boring as hell, C.S. Lewis short stories for like a month and him complaining that he was SO bored and wished he could read something else, but his completionism made him have to slog through it. I'm not like that thankfully. If I'm excessively bored, I'll stop. There's too many books and too little time. In Week's favour, I gave this book FAR longer to get me interested than I would have other authors.

On the brightside, there seems to be some very positive reviews already for it by folk who really enjoyed it, so far I seem to be a minority. (though a few others on Amazon and goodreads.com have voiced similar issues with it as the ones I have).

therefore, I fully advise you guys to give it a go. You may like it, but I have a sneaky suspicion this book may polarize his readers into camps who like the new world and characters and those that wonder where the guy who wrote the Night Angel books went.

Just MHO.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 07:12 PM

Hmm. I wasn't blown away by the first NIGHT ANGEL book but it was good enough to get me to the second, which was great and then the third, which was awesome. Conveniently i had the whole series to read in a row.

Compare novel size and the half of Black Prism you read is basically the page count equivalent of the first book of the NA trilogy, which is only to say that Weeks seems to need about 3-400 pages to realy get his mojo working, but i agree with you that the first NA book is at least engaging enough to keep your interest.

I suspect I will keep this on my 'wait til he's done the series' list for now along with Abercrombie, Lynch, Wooding and a few others.
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Posted 24 August 2010 - 07:52 PM

I know I'm in the minority on these boards but I thought the Night Angel series was really overrated. Some decent ideas but overall I really disliked most of the main characters and the inconsistency of certain plot threads really bothered me. Just would have rathered to read more about the minor characters (i.e. Solon, Dorian, the great swordmaster guy that Kylar fought (can't remember his name)).

I guess what I'm saying is that I really doubt I'll be reading this book any time soon. Too much else to get to. I may give Weeks another shot once the series is done though.
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Posted 19 July 2011 - 12:42 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 22 August 2010 - 10:43 PM, said:

I will likely come back to this book and read the second half at some point down the road...


Quoting myself here...because I saw this sitting on my shelf with the bookmark in it still at the halfway point...

...and so it is that nearly a year later I've picked it back up and I find that I already know who the characters are, how Luxin works and there was a major game-changing twist that happened mid-book that puts everything else into a different light...and I'm now enjoying it. LOL. How's that...so just like A GAME Of THRONES and even FURIES OF CALDERON before it...I had to put BLACK PRISM down and come back to it to start enjoying it. I'm at about 350 now and I'll check back in when I finish...but I just wanted to eat a bit of crow and say that sometimes my first impression is not always right...especially when I didn't finish the book the first time.

We'll see how this goes now.
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Posted 19 July 2011 - 01:12 PM

Good to hear. You and a few others on this board convinced me to read the Night Angel trilogy and it was some of the most enjoyable stuff I've read in years. Looking forward to reading The Black Prism.
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Posted 19 July 2011 - 01:31 PM

Night Angel trilogy made me want to kill myself but the Black Prism I thought was excellent!
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Posted 19 July 2011 - 01:34 PM

View PostCause, on 19 July 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

Night Angel trilogy made me want to kill myself but the Black Prism I thought was excellent!



Yeah, I think that Night Angel is a little too similar to WOT (even though I liked it a lot), but BLACK PRISM might succeed for being wholly original.
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Posted 20 July 2011 - 07:35 AM

No the problem with the Night Angel trilogy is that its a little too similar to crap. Th writing is bad, the story is bad, the characters are worse! It took three books but by the time he got around to the Black Prism Brent Weeks improved markedly.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 04:49 PM

This one finished strongly. Had some great action sequences, some decent character development in the second half of the book, the magic (once you get used to it) is really unique and kind of beats Sanderson's Warbreaker colour magic by a bit of a margin, and there is some decent cliffhangery stuff that will lead into THE BLINDING KNIFE. Not fantastic, but really solid once I got over the initial section that I hadn't cared for.

Will defo be picking up the sequel...even if it's not due out till next January or sumthin.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 06:15 PM

View PostKing Kazma, on 22 August 2010 - 10:43 PM, said:

I tried.

I really, really tried.


To confuse the shit out of everyone by changing your name? Job done, QT.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 06:45 PM

View PostMcLovin, on 22 July 2011 - 06:15 PM, said:

View PostKing Kazma, on 22 August 2010 - 10:43 PM, said:

I tried.

I really, really tried.


To confuse the shit out of everyone by changing your name? Job done, QT.


LOL!

Yeah, that was the plan.

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 02:17 PM

Full review now upon completion.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:24 AM

This book is on sale right now for $1.99 for kindle. Go forth and buy it!
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 08:52 AM

I have this on the TBR pile -- signed by the author, who was on a European tour and was at the Brighton Fantasy Convention a couple of weeks ago :heart:
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 02:13 AM

I thought Black Prism was fine. Not amazing, but I don't find most of the OP criticisms valid.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 07:32 AM

I liked the first two books and look forward to the next
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:41 AM

View PostBriar King, on 21 March 2013 - 07:46 AM, said:

View PostGanoes Paran, on 21 March 2013 - 07:32 AM, said:

I liked the first two books and look forward to the next


Ditto. Fucking awesome books I thought with a very unique world and magic system.


Do you have a favourite character? Do you like the Prism and/or his brother?
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 02:01 PM

The twist in the first half of the book was pretty awesome. Looking forward to reading The Blinding Knife.
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Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:39 AM

These books worth a read? Enjoyed his Night Angel trilogy

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 12:49 PM

Yes they are.
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