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Posted 20 August 2010 - 10:59 AM
Still dont like kessoh's hypocrisy with his case on Silchas.
The fact remains that kessoh has stated that he thought that the galain case was not that good and thought he was not guilty.
Silchas felt the same way.
The only difference is that Kessoh actually voted anyway to get a lynch this could fit very well into his own case too.
Silchas stuck to his guns and decided he was not going to vote for a weak case he did not believe in. Thats the difference...the case by kessoh can apply to both of them.
The case kessoh makes against Silchas leans heavily towards Silchas trying to look inno by not wanting to lynch an inno.
But the very same thing could be said about kessoh. Except kessoh actually went through with voting, this would actually fit in even better in with kessoh's case because then he would have "reluctantly" got the CF he needs to back up his plan to look inno by really not wanting to vote.
Kessoh could also have just as easily said the next day if silchas DID vote and you got the lynch "well i didn't WANT to vote him but i HAD to, to get a lynch "
I dont like that double standards as it is not very different from his very own play .
In fact kessoh's case works even better on himself, if only silchas never came in and ruined it by not getting the lynch!
BAH
The fact remains that kessoh has stated that he thought that the galain case was not that good and thought he was not guilty.
Silchas felt the same way.
The only difference is that Kessoh actually voted anyway to get a lynch this could fit very well into his own case too.
Silchas stuck to his guns and decided he was not going to vote for a weak case he did not believe in. Thats the difference...the case by kessoh can apply to both of them.
The case kessoh makes against Silchas leans heavily towards Silchas trying to look inno by not wanting to lynch an inno.
But the very same thing could be said about kessoh. Except kessoh actually went through with voting, this would actually fit in even better in with kessoh's case because then he would have "reluctantly" got the CF he needs to back up his plan to look inno by really not wanting to vote.
Kessoh could also have just as easily said the next day if silchas DID vote and you got the lynch "well i didn't WANT to vote him but i HAD to, to get a lynch "
I dont like that double standards as it is not very different from his very own play .
In fact kessoh's case works even better on himself, if only silchas never came in and ruined it by not getting the lynch!
BAH
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:02 AM
I could vote HP
or galain maybe... to shut up all the talk about him. I am still scared he gets a free pass and actually turns out to be scum.
Kessoh i could vote for...hmm...so yea...
oh...I will vote silchas if it comes to a choice between him and no lynch though.
or galain maybe... to shut up all the talk about him. I am still scared he gets a free pass and actually turns out to be scum.
Kessoh i could vote for...hmm...so yea...
oh...I will vote silchas if it comes to a choice between him and no lynch though.
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:05 AM
Day 2, 3 hours and 34 minutes remain.
10 players are left alive. Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit,
6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.
3 vote Silchas Ruin: Kessobahn, D'riss, Emurlahnis
2 votes Hood's Path: Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin
1 vote Emurlahnis: Anomandaris
2 votes Galain: Hood's Path, Atrahal
Players not voted: Atrahal, Galain, Sorrit
10 players are left alive. Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit,
6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.
3 vote Silchas Ruin: Kessobahn, D'riss, Emurlahnis
2 votes Hood's Path: Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin
1 vote Emurlahnis: Anomandaris
2 votes Galain: Hood's Path, Atrahal
Players not voted: Atrahal, Galain, Sorrit
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Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:40 AM
Sorrit, on 20 August 2010 - 10:59 AM, said:
Still dont like kessoh's hypocrisy with his case on Silchas.
The fact remains that kessoh has stated that he thought that the galain case was not that good and thought he was not guilty.
Silchas felt the same way.
The only difference is that Kessoh actually voted anyway to get a lynch this could fit very well into his own case too.
Silchas stuck to his guns and decided he was not going to vote for a weak case he did not believe in. Thats the difference...the case by kessoh can apply to both of them.
The case kessoh makes against Silchas leans heavily towards Silchas trying to look inno by not wanting to lynch an inno.
But the very same thing could be said about kessoh. Except kessoh actually went through with voting, this would actually fit in even better in with kessoh's case because then he would have "reluctantly" got the CF he needs to back up his plan to look inno by really not wanting to vote.
Kessoh could also have just as easily said the next day if silchas DID vote and you got the lynch "well i didn't WANT to vote him but i HAD to, to get a lynch "
I dont like that double standards as it is not very different from his very own play .
In fact kessoh's case works even better on himself, if only silchas never came in and ruined it by not getting the lynch!
BAH
The fact remains that kessoh has stated that he thought that the galain case was not that good and thought he was not guilty.
Silchas felt the same way.
The only difference is that Kessoh actually voted anyway to get a lynch this could fit very well into his own case too.
Silchas stuck to his guns and decided he was not going to vote for a weak case he did not believe in. Thats the difference...the case by kessoh can apply to both of them.
The case kessoh makes against Silchas leans heavily towards Silchas trying to look inno by not wanting to lynch an inno.
But the very same thing could be said about kessoh. Except kessoh actually went through with voting, this would actually fit in even better in with kessoh's case because then he would have "reluctantly" got the CF he needs to back up his plan to look inno by really not wanting to vote.
Kessoh could also have just as easily said the next day if silchas DID vote and you got the lynch "well i didn't WANT to vote him but i HAD to, to get a lynch "
I dont like that double standards as it is not very different from his very own play .
In fact kessoh's case works even better on himself, if only silchas never came in and ruined it by not getting the lynch!
BAH
except i never went on about going to die at night, and actually wouldnt have been trying to pi myself with galains cf as I did vote for him. So your idea of my case working on myself really would only work if I did the opposite. I love how you are so sure of silchas, sorritt. Its certainly loyal. I am going now - wont be back for deadline and as galain is about and you are about the only possible lynch is silchas so i aint changing.
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:48 AM
Kessobahn, on 20 August 2010 - 11:40 AM, said:
Sorrit, on 20 August 2010 - 10:59 AM, said:
Still dont like kessoh's hypocrisy with his case on Silchas.
The fact remains that kessoh has stated that he thought that the galain case was not that good and thought he was not guilty.
Silchas felt the same way.
The only difference is that Kessoh actually voted anyway to get a lynch this could fit very well into his own case too.
Silchas stuck to his guns and decided he was not going to vote for a weak case he did not believe in. Thats the difference...the case by kessoh can apply to both of them.
The case kessoh makes against Silchas leans heavily towards Silchas trying to look inno by not wanting to lynch an inno.
But the very same thing could be said about kessoh. Except kessoh actually went through with voting, this would actually fit in even better in with kessoh's case because then he would have "reluctantly" got the CF he needs to back up his plan to look inno by really not wanting to vote.
Kessoh could also have just as easily said the next day if silchas DID vote and you got the lynch "well i didn't WANT to vote him but i HAD to, to get a lynch "
I dont like that double standards as it is not very different from his very own play .
In fact kessoh's case works even better on himself, if only silchas never came in and ruined it by not getting the lynch!
BAH
The fact remains that kessoh has stated that he thought that the galain case was not that good and thought he was not guilty.
Silchas felt the same way.
The only difference is that Kessoh actually voted anyway to get a lynch this could fit very well into his own case too.
Silchas stuck to his guns and decided he was not going to vote for a weak case he did not believe in. Thats the difference...the case by kessoh can apply to both of them.
The case kessoh makes against Silchas leans heavily towards Silchas trying to look inno by not wanting to lynch an inno.
But the very same thing could be said about kessoh. Except kessoh actually went through with voting, this would actually fit in even better in with kessoh's case because then he would have "reluctantly" got the CF he needs to back up his plan to look inno by really not wanting to vote.
Kessoh could also have just as easily said the next day if silchas DID vote and you got the lynch "well i didn't WANT to vote him but i HAD to, to get a lynch "
I dont like that double standards as it is not very different from his very own play .
In fact kessoh's case works even better on himself, if only silchas never came in and ruined it by not getting the lynch!
BAH
except i never went on about going to die at night, and actually wouldnt have been trying to pi myself with galains cf as I did vote for him.
So your idea of my case working on myself really would only work if I did the opposite.
Yes you voted for him....reluctantly...thats the whole point right there. So yes...it does work.
Its jut not as blatant as what silchas did.
Kessobahn, on 20 August 2010 - 11:40 AM, said:
I love how you are so sure of silchas, sorritt. Its certainly loyal. I am going now - wont be back for deadline and as galain is about and you are about the only possible lynch is silchas so i aint changing.
I am not sure of silchas at all, i just dont like the fact that you used a case one someone, that could very easily be applied to yourself.
As i said...i will vote for silchas if it is between him and No lynch, dont you bloody read?
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:56 AM
Does coming on a blocking a lynch make sense from a scum POV. Not massively. However, it's hardly as if it's unheard of for partners to actually protect one another. Or symps to de-rail. And look at exactly what has happened. The lynch has failed, any momentum we had has fizzled, we're looking at failing to lynch again, and look at the votes-now SR is top target. That is pretty much a perfect play by a symp. Stops the lynch, and draws the attention, knowing that he'll CF inno.
You call it the less likely scenario, and yet more me, it isn't. I find it far less likely that an inno would refuse to vote someone for a lynch. Because look at the results. It has gained us nothing. We would be in a better position today had we lynched galain-regardless of whether or not he is inno. We are in more or less the same situation, with less time. SR gave the reasoning of "shortening the clock" to explain why he didn't vote. Except that shortening the clock is precisely why no-lynch is better for scum than innos. It is better to lynch than no lynch for the innos on day one.
I find it very hard to see why an inno would play like SR. It is not that I do not understand his defence. It is that his defence is just not very good. He is justifying a scummy move by saying that it is unlikely scum would do that. I accept that. However, it is far less likely that an inno would do that, in my opinion. So the argument is weak. He may continue to insist that he doesn't make sense from a scum POV, but has still failed to explain why it does from an innocent POV. I believe it makes more sense for him to do that as scum than as an inno.
So no, I don't think it's a a standard scum move. It isn't. But it is practically unheard of for an inno to refuse to lynch day one on a meat and potatoes game.
But feel free to keep playing the righteous inno anger card.
You call it the less likely scenario, and yet more me, it isn't. I find it far less likely that an inno would refuse to vote someone for a lynch. Because look at the results. It has gained us nothing. We would be in a better position today had we lynched galain-regardless of whether or not he is inno. We are in more or less the same situation, with less time. SR gave the reasoning of "shortening the clock" to explain why he didn't vote. Except that shortening the clock is precisely why no-lynch is better for scum than innos. It is better to lynch than no lynch for the innos on day one.
I find it very hard to see why an inno would play like SR. It is not that I do not understand his defence. It is that his defence is just not very good. He is justifying a scummy move by saying that it is unlikely scum would do that. I accept that. However, it is far less likely that an inno would do that, in my opinion. So the argument is weak. He may continue to insist that he doesn't make sense from a scum POV, but has still failed to explain why it does from an innocent POV. I believe it makes more sense for him to do that as scum than as an inno.
So no, I don't think it's a a standard scum move. It isn't. But it is practically unheard of for an inno to refuse to lynch day one on a meat and potatoes game.
But feel free to keep playing the righteous inno anger card.
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:58 AM
Kessobahn, on 20 August 2010 - 11:53 AM, said:
Sorrit, on 20 August 2010 - 11:48 AM, said:
As i said...i will vote for silchas if it is between him and No lynch, dont you bloody read?
you seem to have anger issues.
NO YOU!!
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:00 PM
As for HP, I don't want to vote there, but would for a lynch if necessary. Silchas would be better(though I think he's more likely symp than master), because even if he is symp, we reduce scum numbers(though wouldn't know it), and he's certainly potential scum. HP's played smooth but that's about it. Like you said earlier, not much of a case. He's also not really the only one to be pretty under-the radar, though has been more wishy-washy than most.
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:04 PM
Atrahal, on 20 August 2010 - 11:56 AM, said:
Does coming on a blocking a lynch make sense from a scum POV. Not massively. However, it's hardly as if it's unheard of for partners to actually protect one another. Or symps to de-rail. And look at exactly what has happened. The lynch has failed, any momentum we had has fizzled, we're looking at failing to lynch again, and look at the votes-now SR is top target. That is pretty much a perfect play by a symp. Stops the lynch, and draws the attention, knowing that he'll CF inno.
You call it the less likely scenario, and yet more me, it isn't. I find it far less likely that an inno would refuse to vote someone for a lynch. Because look at the results. It has gained us nothing. We would be in a better position today had we lynched galain-regardless of whether or not he is inno. We are in more or less the same situation, with less time. SR gave the reasoning of "shortening the clock" to explain why he didn't vote. Except that shortening the clock is precisely why no-lynch is better for scum than innos. It is better to lynch than no lynch for the innos on day one.
I find it very hard to see why an inno would play like SR. It is not that I do not understand his defence. It is that his defence is just not very good. He is justifying a scummy move by saying that it is unlikely scum would do that. I accept that. However, it is far less likely that an inno would do that, in my opinion. So the argument is weak. He may continue to insist that he doesn't make sense from a scum POV, but has still failed to explain why it does from an innocent POV. I believe it makes more sense for him to do that as scum than as an inno.
So no, I don't think it's a a standard scum move. It isn't. But it is practically unheard of for an inno to refuse to lynch day one on a meat and potatoes game.
But feel free to keep playing the righteous inno anger card.
You call it the less likely scenario, and yet more me, it isn't. I find it far less likely that an inno would refuse to vote someone for a lynch. Because look at the results. It has gained us nothing. We would be in a better position today had we lynched galain-regardless of whether or not he is inno. We are in more or less the same situation, with less time. SR gave the reasoning of "shortening the clock" to explain why he didn't vote. Except that shortening the clock is precisely why no-lynch is better for scum than innos. It is better to lynch than no lynch for the innos on day one.
I find it very hard to see why an inno would play like SR. It is not that I do not understand his defence. It is that his defence is just not very good. He is justifying a scummy move by saying that it is unlikely scum would do that. I accept that. However, it is far less likely that an inno would do that, in my opinion. So the argument is weak. He may continue to insist that he doesn't make sense from a scum POV, but has still failed to explain why it does from an innocent POV. I believe it makes more sense for him to do that as scum than as an inno.
So no, I don't think it's a a standard scum move. It isn't. But it is practically unheard of for an inno to refuse to lynch day one on a meat and potatoes game.
But feel free to keep playing the righteous inno anger card.
Like is said...you just dont seem to be able to see or acknowledge the other side of the coin.
Both views are equally valid....in your opinion the one more so than the other.
But the argument was always going to be a wifom one....all im saying is dont cry about it being a wifom argument when the argument was wifom to begin with.
But anyways....its just something that irritated me and really has not got too much bearing on whats going on here.
I take it your voting for sichlas then?
Or you leaving it on Galain?
who else is on this time of day?...
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:08 PM
ok ...so atrahal you think that Silchas is a symp....and kessoh thinks he is a killer.
Do you have nothing to add with regards to Kessoh's case and his hypocrisy?
If he simply left it as derailing a lynch...well...that I it would have been fine with, but his real reasons are dodgy...coming from him. To me at least.
Dont you have any comment on the subject?
edit - bad bad grammer and shiit
Do you have nothing to add with regards to Kessoh's case and his hypocrisy?
If he simply left it as derailing a lynch...well...that I it would have been fine with, but his real reasons are dodgy...coming from him. To me at least.
Dont you have any comment on the subject?
edit - bad bad grammer and shiit
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:18 PM
Well, at this late stage in the game, I have little to no choice other than to change my vote. Unless, somehow, everyone comes on last minute and votes for Galain, which would be impressive, I'm going to change my vote to Silchas in the hopes of getting a lynch - that isn't me. I don't care about getting voted off unless I can reasonably avoid it, and this is one of those 'reasonable avoidance' times.
Remove Vote
Vote Silchas Ruin
I suppose it could be called OMGUS, lol...but really, I have little other choice when people keep voting for my secondary candidates.
Remove Vote
Vote Silchas Ruin
I suppose it could be called OMGUS, lol...but really, I have little other choice when people keep voting for my secondary candidates.
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:24 PM
Day 2, 2 hours and 17 minutes remain.
10 players are left alive. Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit,
6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.
4 vote Silchas Ruin: Kessobahn, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Hood's Path
3 votes Hood's Path: Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit
1 vote Emurlahnis: Anomandaris
1 vote Galain: Atrahal
Players not voted: Galain,
10 players are left alive. Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit,
6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.
4 vote Silchas Ruin: Kessobahn, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Hood's Path
3 votes Hood's Path: Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit
1 vote Emurlahnis: Anomandaris
1 vote Galain: Atrahal
Players not voted: Galain,
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Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:31 PM
Am I the only one who keeps getting posts with <div> and stuff all throughout them?
Anyway, i've went back and read some of kessos posts.
The one where he actually votes galain for example. In this one he does mention that he doesn't find galains play too scummy. However, he goes on to talk about the possibility of you symping him etc, so I read that more as what galain himself has done hasn't been that scummy, not "I don't think galain is scum". This is supproted by an earlier post towards galain "Its an unfortunate turn of events, as individually you havent done anything to warrant the votes. "
It would be a decent position for scum to take on the lynch, so I could see it as mildly scummy, but I can't see anywhere where he actually says he thinks galain will CF inno, so don't think his case is particularly hypocritical. He was going for you day one mostly, after being middle of the road earlier on.
He didn't seem very behind the case, but he wasn't opposed like silchas.
I don't think he was opposed strongly enough to go for the "Told you so and that somehow makes me innocent" approach that we sometimes see.
He probably would've come out looking a bit better for it if galain had CF'd inno, but not majorly. It wouldn't be a bad place for scum to be, and I could see scum doing it, but it's also easy to see an inno doing it aswell, since voting for a lynch is standard, even if you don't think the case is the best.
Anyway, i've went back and read some of kessos posts.
The one where he actually votes galain for example. In this one he does mention that he doesn't find galains play too scummy. However, he goes on to talk about the possibility of you symping him etc, so I read that more as what galain himself has done hasn't been that scummy, not "I don't think galain is scum". This is supproted by an earlier post towards galain "Its an unfortunate turn of events, as individually you havent done anything to warrant the votes. "
It would be a decent position for scum to take on the lynch, so I could see it as mildly scummy, but I can't see anywhere where he actually says he thinks galain will CF inno, so don't think his case is particularly hypocritical. He was going for you day one mostly, after being middle of the road earlier on.
He didn't seem very behind the case, but he wasn't opposed like silchas.
I don't think he was opposed strongly enough to go for the "Told you so and that somehow makes me innocent" approach that we sometimes see.
He probably would've come out looking a bit better for it if galain had CF'd inno, but not majorly. It wouldn't be a bad place for scum to be, and I could see scum doing it, but it's also easy to see an inno doing it aswell, since voting for a lynch is standard, even if you don't think the case is the best.
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:33 PM
Hood, on 20 August 2010 - 12:18 PM, said:
Well, at this late stage in the game, I have little to no choice other than to change my vote. Unless, somehow, everyone comes on last minute and votes for Galain, which would be impressive, I'm going to change my vote to Silchas in the hopes of getting a lynch - that isn't me. I don't care about getting voted off unless I can reasonably avoid it, and this is one of those 'reasonable avoidance' times.
Remove Vote
Vote Silchas Ruin
I suppose it could be called OMGUS, lol...but really, I have little other choice when people keep voting for my secondary candidates.
Remove Vote
Vote Silchas Ruin
I suppose it could be called OMGUS, lol...but really, I have little other choice when people keep voting for my secondary candidates.
fair enough....
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:39 PM
Path-Shaper, on 20 August 2010 - 12:24 PM, said:
Day 2, 2 hours and 17 minutes remain.
10 players are left alive. Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit,
6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.
4 vote Silchas Ruin: Kessobahn, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Hood's Path
3 votes Hood's Path: Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit
1 vote Emurlahnis: Anomandaris
1 vote Galain: Atrahal
Players not voted: Atrahal, Galain,
10 players are left alive. Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit,
6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.
4 vote Silchas Ruin: Kessobahn, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Hood's Path
3 votes Hood's Path: Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit
1 vote Emurlahnis: Anomandaris
1 vote Galain: Atrahal
Players not voted: Atrahal, Galain,
Actually Galain, apparently I get 2 votes, so actually, if you self vote, we could still lynch you, or if you vote HP, him.
Online, seems to be me, galain, sorrit, HP.
Even if galain self votes, and everyone switches, we'd be looking at 2 more people needing to show up.
HP seems unlikely to self-vote, given his last vote, so we'd be looking at another person.
Looking kind of like SR is the only choice.
Edit: Maths fail. Even if Galain self voted and I had double, we couldn't...
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