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Mafia 64.1 The Culling of the Memes M&P

#161 User is offline   Sorrit 

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 03:25 PM

View PostKessobahn, on 18 August 2010 - 03:21 PM, said:

well it isnt helped by the fact that sorritt followed you onto the driss case either, and now ano is pointing at olar while making a case on sorrit and ignoring the train on you.


was galain the one to come up with the D'riss case?

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 03:32 PM

no but the order of votes in pathshapers post has you after him.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 03:37 PM

Well for what its worth i just called the case like a saw it.

And it did sort of fit my musings on antrahal...watever.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 03:40 PM

I dare say the lady hath queefed her final queef.

What is this? You blithely ignore those most evident of TRAPPING? Canst thou not see that it is the most evident of signals, masked by other capitalization and sure to be ignored outright by those who seek to find such things in the motivations of the myriad players, rather then the deeds? Verily, I pronounce that the killer is most egregiously Sir Olar of the night who utilizes a most extensive manner of avoiding having to commit himself to any late suspicions by arriving on the scene but fleeing before providing a gentleman ample time to critique his presence and performance.

#165 User is offline   Sorrit 

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 03:51 PM

I am going home now.

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#166 User is offline   Olar Ethil 

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 04:17 PM

Careful Sorrit. They seem to jump on people that post pictures... I'm surprised ano didn't vote for Luke Skywalker :) :D :p :p

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 04:24 PM

I'm here on and off for the next 7-8 hours. So Ano if you wanna talk lets roll.

Having read and caught up... I feel for Galain. Especially if he is inno. My view of events so far is that Sorrit tried to get some shit going. and Galain was colateral damage. In trying to explain himself, Sorrit manages to make himself look guiltier, and guiltier.

The thing is, I don't think Galain is scum. It is imo poor form to lynch sombody on the actions of another. I've been playing 2-3 years and I have NEVER ( yes I capitalized a word, where's the signaling meme!!) seen the fake symp work. Or the symp lead to the master on day one. It just doesn't happen. So while I may look like scum if Galain comes back guilty ( and rightfully so) I just don't think he has played like scum. And basing votes off the bone headed play of another is not the way to go.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 04:25 PM

View PostSorrit, on 18 August 2010 - 03:25 PM, said:

View PostKessobahn, on 18 August 2010 - 03:21 PM, said:

well it isnt helped by the fact that sorritt followed you onto the driss case either, and now ano is pointing at olar while making a case on sorrit and ignoring the train on you.


was galain the one to come up with the D'riss case?



I was the first person to point the post out as supsicious, I think OE voted before I put my vote down.

#169 User is offline   Olar Ethil 

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 04:29 PM

The thing I am wrestling with is... if we don't lynch. we just go through this shit tomorrow. While I don't think Galain is scum... I don't know he isn't.

Also, yeah, Galain pointed out the D'riss post. I had noticed it as well, but didn't mention it on thread. I was the first to vote it. I find it interesting that when his train got to 3 people the thread really started up and some real pressure was put on Galain/Sorrit.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 04:31 PM

Cool, I guess I am allowed to deal with my errands and get a good nights sleep before I come back to this thread,Though it seems people get pissed if you actually try to participate by placing votes on day one, or making comments about the 'cases' that are there, regardless. Perhaps some seem too attached to their Day 1 spam-dragonsex nonsense.




View PostKessobahn, on 18 August 2010 - 07:53 AM, said:



View PostD, on 17 August 2010 - 05:41 PM, said:

I has arrived!

And holy shit, people are serious (or faking seriousnes on a day 1) , did everyone eat from the magic shroom?
I'm not sure what to make of Atrahal. His reasoning sounds alright, after all its better to go after the scum than the symp.
Yet seems willing to grab the game from the horns from day 1 - wifom aside, dangerous play either if inno or scum non the less.
Silchas also trying to maintain his 'cool' , Anomandaris voting for him for being a 'symp' but doesn't tell us who he is symping for though.

Anyone else missing on thread, or basically most of us are here?

vote Galain

for being the most sound case so far.



driss n that post mentions three players and then drops an agreement vote without mentioning the galain case. If you have opinions early on day 1 and voice them, why not vote for one of the players you are talking about? Stranger still is to discuss them and then vote without mentioning who you are voting for. Also dont like talk about wondering who has posted, sounds like waiting for modkills or you are waiting for a signal and dont think you have seen it yet.



Not mentioning the Galain case? Atrahal did that.
Have you read Atrahals post? It made some sense. In all cases, we go after the scum rather than the symp. I agree 100% with this sort of thinking, yet even if it is THAT early in the game, I decided to drop a vote on that, mainly due to the fact that recent games have gone so slow , that we resulted in having non-lynch day 1.My comments on the other people, were about the other 'serious' posts on the thread. Perhaps not much, but that's what crossed my mind after reading them. Should I give a whole-hearted analysis backed up by unshakable evidence and include the state of marshall law in Chibuti in order to convince you? I don't think so.
Why should I vote for the 'other' people, when there's something with more solid reasoning?
I was on a time-table yesterday, and for half the day today. I didn't want to stand by and not have a vote in, no matter the consequences, and risk a non-lynch day. I put my money where my mouth is.

#171 User is offline   Olar Ethil 

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 04:33 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 18 August 2010 - 03:24 PM, said:

It is Day 1, 2 hours and 43 minutes remain.


12 players are left alive. Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Kessobahn,
Okaros, Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn


4 votes Galain: Atrahal, D'riss, Kessobahn, Hood's Path
2 votes Olar Ethil: Emurlahnis, Anomandaris
3 votes D'riss: Olar Ethil, Galain, Sorrit


Players not voted: Okaros, Silchas Ruin, Tulas Shorn


Sorry to be a total dick, but it's my bed time. That means resolution of lynch/night won't happen until the morning. I would have timed the start better, but I wanted to get the show on the road as soon as all the PMs were out since the game was already a day late.
I know:
FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU



According to this post we have an hour and 33 minutes left.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 04:39 PM

OE - there is nothing to discuss, I was just pointing it out. Obviously no one agrees, as usual, and I will get to be all "Told ya so" later.

Saying Galain didn't play like a scum today means shit all, it's pretty damn easy to look inno on day 1 for any scum, let alone an M&P one. That the best case of the day accuses him and yet there's still 5 people on other cases is ample enough reasoning for me to vote him. You supporting him is just icing on the cake to me.

Remove Vote
Vote Galain


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Posted 18 August 2010 - 04:44 PM

View PostOlar Ethil, on 18 August 2010 - 04:29 PM, said:

The thing I am wrestling with is... if we don't lynch. we just go through this shit tomorrow. While I don't think Galain is scum... I don't know he isn't.

Also, yeah, Galain pointed out the D'riss post. I had noticed it as well, but didn't mention it on thread. I was the first to vote it. I find it interesting that when his train got to 3 people the thread really started up and some real pressure was put on Galain/Sorrit.



I find it intresting that you dismiss the fact that there was ALREADY pressure on Galain due to votes, and ALSO pressure on Sorrit due to his 'fake symping-what ever-making a bit deal out of it defense attitude, before you, along with these two tried to build a train on me.
Twisting the facts much here?

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:00 PM

I said "real" pressure as in the 2 page quote-a-thon.

remove vote

vote Galain

If we don't do it today, we are only going to have to keep talking about it tomorrow. Saorry man. I think you got the raw end of the stick. At the very least we can get some good info out of today based on whats happened up to this point.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:01 PM

At this point I am pretty much it in terms of options for tonight, I think I'm going to be logging off for the rest of the evening pretty soon. Are there enough people to actually get a lynch, or must I put a vote in on myself so we dont go through all this again tomorrow.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:07 PM

What is intresting though is that Sorrit gets accused for 'fake symping' - tries to defend against it valiantly, apologises to Galain before hand in case he is inno -
and then turns around, tries to stir Atrahal, accuses ME of symping Atrahal because I stated that I agree with Atrahals way of thinking - and then does the unthinkable -
votes for ME , which by his words is the symp, instead of voting for Atrahal, which by his words is the master.

I don't really understand it. Stick to your guns regardless if they come out to be wrong or not. Placing a vote on me right at that point, and especially AFTER Galain voted for me, while desperately trying to convice people you are not symping him does exactly the opposite.Trying to build a second train to avoid getting Galain lynched, because of what, conciense or guilt? Give me a break here.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:26 PM

^

That was directed at Sorrit correct?

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:26 PM

Caught up, I know we don't have a ton of time, here's what I saw...

Best case so far, I think, is by Galain. The later D'riss explanation is just as easily ignored as my own 'excuse' for not being around. I know mine is true, maybe D'riss's is too. Doesn't make him not scum, though.

View PostGalain, on 18 August 2010 - 04:23 AM, said:

View PostD, on 17 August 2010 - 05:41 PM, said:

I has arrived!

And holy shit, people are serious (or faking seriousnes on a day 1) , did everyone eat from the magic shroom?
I'm not sure what to make of Atrahal. His reasoning sounds alright, after all its better to go after the scum than the symp.
Yet seems willing to grab the game from the horns from day 1 - wifom aside, dangerous play either if inno or scum non the less.
Silchas also trying to maintain his 'cool' , Anomandaris voting for him for being a 'symp' but doesn't tell us who he is symping for though.

Anyone else missing on thread, or basically most of us are here?

vote Galain

for being the most sound case so far.


Not to be biased because this post contains a vote against me, but this is really scummy. D'riss comes in and says something snarky about us all being so serious. Then states atrahal is being pushy saying this could mean that he is scum or it could mean he is inno. Way to state the obvious without adding anything definitive thought wise.

Then with tons of time left he throws down an easy I agree vote. Screw discussion, let's just go along with the first thing that looks good. It's not like he isn't going to be around, since he posts again later.

@SR, whose vote did I follow? If you're going to drop a bunch of names for doing something suspicious, at least get them right.

@PS, I believe my vote is currently on Sorrit.


Kesso overreacts here... talk about getting pissy for no reason.

View PostKessobahn, on 18 August 2010 - 09:26 AM, said:

View PostSorrit, on 18 August 2010 - 08:57 AM, said:

View PostHood, on 18 August 2010 - 08:29 AM, said:

Hrm, action, votes, discussion! Oh the glory of it all.

I honestly think that the case against D'riss is quite worthy, and it's got a bit of momentum now with the time left. But at the same time...laying a trap, Sorrit? That's an interesting play on day one - though I appreciate your position of trying to cover your actions and then people calling you on it later - and something that's highly likely to be either a scum tactic when they get called on something, or a rather pointless inno play, isn't it? I mean, what are you going to bring out: people who jump on a day one train. Wooo, like that's not going to get some bites. Alternatively, you're going to get jumped on for ass-covering and follow-up votes (basically what you were hoping to catch other people on) and then claim you were laying a trap to get out of your train-pushing. Bad play, Sorrit.


Yes HP, i purposefully put a second vote on someone to elicit some sort of thread reaction so i could get a better read on players. I even hinted as much in that very post.
Laying a trap?....no not really. More like laying the foundations to get some sort of info. I was not setting out to TRAP, i was setting out to see how people reacted.
I didnt expect such a huge reaction...but yea.


The thread was dead. I wanted to make something happen and see who would actually think things through and who would jump at the opportunity.
"Bad play"?... for you maybe it is but for myself...no...i get a feel for the players.
You on the other hand are standing on the outside with no reference so cant judge my play...sorry.

Its not fool proof by any means, but it DID get the thread going and there WAS people who jumped at the opportunity and there was others that were cautious.
Its very revealing...well, to me its revealing at least. Its up to you weather you believe me or not.
I could just as easily done sweet fuckall and watched everyone settle for a random lynch.
But im trying, as always to be pro active.

I actually came out today just to explaining my actions. Not to defend myslef.
If you think i was signaling somehow then vote me or whoever i was supposed to be signaling im not going to argue the point as its WIFOM.

Was a second vote on someone THAT bad?....no not in my opinion.
But i feel that Atrahals slight over reaction to said post is a good place for me to start looking.



I dislike people explaining things so much with out a real pressure, sorrit. Its kinda stinks of an egomanical sociopath needing attention or recognition for what they feel is a moment of genius. The fact that you are conducting your play with such machavelian style indicates a hidden motive. You say its not a trap, but when atrahal responded you did say "atrahal did bite" which implies it was a trap or at least a hook. It is still day 1, and over explanation this early is not something i would expect from an inno. In fact your long post to hp almost reads like gloating, and indicating your own play as wifom is also just another tactic you seem intent on employing to muddle the waters.


Cry me a river, Sorrit.

View PostSorrit, on 18 August 2010 - 09:54 AM, said:

well....as much as i like all the attention, i am inno.
And as an inno would not be doing the game any justice by just sitting back and doing nothing.

Im trying my damnedest to get the game going but now i think that i am maybe becoming more of a distraction.
Atrahal is here and im sure we are going to see soem bricks being shat shortly.

You guys really do make such big issues out of non issues lately dont you...sheesh


If I were scum, I'd definitely be happy to be so low on the radar.

View PostSorrit, on 18 August 2010 - 11:28 AM, said:

View PostAtrahal, on 18 August 2010 - 11:15 AM, said:

You seem to be in support of trying to get a reaction, making things happen yourself, taking people out of their comfort zone etc. But then, you seem to think it scummy that I am pushing strongly, the most common way of doing exactly what you are suppoorting.


Inno's dont (or rather they shouldnt) push SO strongly on something SO week...thats really it ...isnt it? Thats what all of this boils down to.

Once you go the full hog you got to have something more substantial than that.

Scum will go for most things full hog, more so than inno's simply because all they have are innocent players slip ups to work with.

Inno's have the benefit of having lying scum to look for, they have better clues to look out for, yet the scum have literally nothing to look for yet they have to pretend to look, so they have to make things up.
They have tp take little innocent things and make it look worse.
In my opinion, you could have been doing exactly that. And successfully so.
Now note what i said before you explode and retort yet again.....i said you COULD have been doing that.
Its really just a place to start looking. Be it wrong or right...people ARE talking and there is info on the thread.

Anyways....who are the low posters.
I think someone like silchas....if scum, is sitting pretty right now.

Yes yes...i said i needed to work, but the copy writer is super slow today....meh...lemme see if he is done yet.



edit - punctuation and crappy fast typing typos


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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:28 PM

Also, I want to mention that I'm fairly suspicious of Ano, much like I was of Olar. Something about the posts just bothers me. Could be a lingering resentment over being voted, hard to say.

I know Galain is the likely lynch today but either he has to lynch himself or someone else has to.

Vote D'riss.

Best case, by far.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:32 PM

And for a follow up, I find D'riss's excuse poor. OK, so he had RL duties, so did I. But I was consistent in my postings with my suspicions. I do still find Olar kind of suspicious because it's just as pathetic to apologize for voting someone for getting a raw deal as it is to cry about your own impending lynch if you're inno.

You should NEVER be sorry to lynch someone because every person you lynch OTHER than you helps you win the game (this goes for both town and scum). If you are lynched, then you are hurting your own team, even if you are RI.

I'm not saying that means you should just be willing to lynch every person around, but I am saying that you shouldn't feel 'bad' for it. That's how the game is played, amigo.

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