[Sorrit]

 Kessobahn, on 19 August 2010 - 11:14 AM, said:

 Kessobahn, on 18 August 2010 - 11:02 AM, said:

@sorritt - though i enjoy your vigour, from a personal view i find it harder to decide if someone is guilty or inno when they are accusing me. Knowing you are inno can make any attack on your play seem like a deliberate scum tactic to undermine you, which is why laying down pressure votes to invoke a reaction is imo a good tactic, but explaining them and using the words symp or master about yourself and another player is not.

vote galain

If sorritt is a symp (which is more likely than killer imo) then his signal could only have been to hp or galain. Galain is the more obvious choice of the two. Sorritt's subsequent reaction to pressure has also increased the likelihood that he is trying to muddy the waters to mask this fact with odd discussion about his supposed own tactics. Personally i havent found galains play to be that scummy, but even the actions of another player must be taken into account during the game and its hard to ignore such a blatant symp clue as sorrit produced in only his second post.

As i am the only player so far voting (you say we should lynch galain but dont vote for him) I find it odd that you think i was gung ho for galain yesterday when i clearly stated that i didnt find him suspicious but felt it necessary to vote due to the actions of others which on day 1 made a better case than the others presented. Now I have a case of my own which i made and i vote for that and you find it suspicious? That unique perspective you are talking about, keep it.

No you are right....You never gunned for galain...not directly that is.
But you did helped in the onslaught on myself with the whole idea i was his symp!
Wich means, that you were helping with the case that i am a symp... galains symp...see where i am heading?

So excuse me for adding up 1 + 1 and getting 2

Your constant insistence that you never really wanted to vote for galain is laughable to me.
On the one hand you have your case that states silchas was trying to look inno by not wanting to vote for Galain...\
Yet on the other hand, by your very own words, you ASLO didnt really want to vote for galain!
And you have staed this a few times now!!....pot calling the kettle black much?
You could just as easily have been trying to do the same thing at the time. Just more subtler.
Maybe even be why you thought of the case in the first place. how do i know?

So we have you, who helped in attacking myself yesterday and helped in establishing that i could be a symp.
You have nicely stated that galain is not the problem and you "dont want to vote him but see no other choice"
Then you come the following day and build a case on someone for doing pretty much the same thing you keep saying you didnt really want to do?
And you wonder why i am asking these questions?

And as for my unique perspective, it is here for one and all to see untill you lynch me or nk me...no snarky comments you make can change that fact...sorry.


edit - fixed up the mess

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 19 August 2010 - 11:46 AM

[Sorrit]

Its not that i hate or fully disagree on the merrit of the case on silchas, ofcourse it has legs.
Its more that i actually find the source and by default the reasoning of the case a bit ...off.

[Kessobahn]

You deserved to be attacked sorritt, and I waited until some cases where in place to make my choice. Unlike silchas I decided a galain lynch was the best option and voted. Today i feel its silchas and voted. You are not silchas yet the thought of one vote on him has you bouncing like a mad man. You really arent playing very well if you are an inno, as you are fanning the flames before silchas can even respond.

[Sorrit]

 Kessobahn, on 19 August 2010 - 12:02 PM, said:

You deserved to be attacked sorritt, and I waited until some cases where in place to make my choice. Unlike silchas I decided a galain lynch was the best option and voted. Today i feel its silchas and voted. You are not silchas yet the thought of one vote on him has you bouncing like a mad man. You really arent playing very well if you are an inno, as you are fanning the flames before silchas can even respond.

I am pointing out inconstancy's i see, you are just the one that happens to be doing most of the funny stuff... its very valid questions i am posing if you ask me.

I dont find the silchas case that bad. I just find other possibilities to be more likely( ie. silchas is galains symp, or silchas is just block headed stubborn inno.)
I also just find your hypocrisy and change of tune quite strange, and i feel there is a chance you are lining up the next lynch.
Because now...if galain does turn up inno you can shout I TOLD YO SO...LYNCH SILCHAS.

And your insistence that i should not comment on things i find odd and that its "bad play for an inno to do so" is ridiculously pathetic.
Im not defending silchas at all....i am asking you tough questions and clearly you dont like it.
Maybe i shouold just shut up and not try and find scum?....would you like that?

[Kessobahn]

galain being inno proves nothing about anyone else. My point isnt to do with commenting, you arent commenting or discussing you are flapping one way then the other and basically jumping in on everything without any purpose. Thats bad play. If galain turns up guilty it would look bad for both of you (sorrit and silchas). You admit that the case has merit, yet you wonder why i am voting on it. Why would i make a case and not vote?

[Sorrit]

 Kessobahn, on 19 August 2010 - 12:19 PM, said:

galain being inno proves nothing about anyone else.

Galains innocence proves i am not his symp (but does not prove i am not a symp in general)
Proves Silchas is not his symp, but It also adds weight to your case.

Galains guilt makes myself or silchas look like galains symp.
And could prove quite a few people PI

Not lynching galain leaves open a huge festering sore that will always be in the game.
Leaves many things uncertain,
It could lead to an eventual free pass to galain, which always invariably happens to the day one suspect.
I am caught between believing he is inno because of my actions and not his own and actually not knowing if he is actually guilty and now getting a free pass form me because of my own "guilt".

Silchas coming up inno leaves us exactly were we started, galain comes back into the picture and i am still his symp to everyone.

Silchas being guilty is for me not as likely but very possible...would make me look like a symp but fuck if im not used to that analogy.

All in all i see first lynching galain as most likely the best option...but fuck i could go for silchas too in the end.
Im just not so sure about your motives kessoh...
And you seem to be taking my questioning you very...unpleasantly.
I haven't made up my mind either way...im just trying to get a feel for you....meh...

 Kessobahn, on 19 August 2010 - 12:19 PM, said:

My point isnt to do with commenting, you arent commenting or discussing you are flapping one way then the other and basically jumping in on everything without any purpose.

well thats a lie... im trying to find scum...that is my purpose.
You dont like my methods...i understand why.

 Kessobahn, on 19 August 2010 - 12:19 PM, said:

Thats bad play. If galain turns up guilty it would look bad for both of you (sorrit and silchas). You admit that the case has merit, yet you wonder why i am voting on it. Why would i make a case and not vote?

I dont see how poking people for information is bad play...you might see it as such since you are the focus of my attention right this moment.
We shall see in the end if it is bad play or not. I find do your insistence on what is and what is not bad play rather amusing though.
Are you the mafia paterfamilias now?
Should i kneel?



edit - wait to weight

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 19 August 2010 - 12:36 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Day 2, 19 hours and 7 minutes remain.


10 players are left alive. Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit,

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

1 vote Silchas Ruin: Kessobahn

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit

[Sorrit]

Were are the others that were on at this time yesterday.

im growing tired of kessoh and his holier than thou attitude.

It was cute at first but it starts gets boring after a while....

[Path-Shaper]

If you want, I can be holier than thou, too.

[Sorrit]

NO!!.... you are an even bigger meanie that Kessoh !!!

[Path-Shaper]

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[Galain]

Gah, I had a whole post typed up about how we need to lynch the person who is going to give us the most info, but my phone went and ate it I understand that to everyone else this will probably be me, although I can say now my CF isn't going to prove or disprove anything, since it hasn't helped me make any sense of what is going on.

I've said before, I really don't think that scum would be voting on opposite sides of a train on day one. If scum was defending me then I agree with kesso about who it would be. If scum was pushing my case then I'm not sure.

[Atrahal]

People complain that not much info will be gained by a galain lynch-however, it is more information than any other option.

To me, Silchas is the most scummy player on the basis of what he's actually said. Doesn't make him the best lynch though.

There are also a bunch of people who have been middle of the road, and pretty much away from the spotlight. It's hard to read them, so hard to tell if there's anything scummy there, beyond the inconspiciousness.

[Path-Shaper]

Day 2, 17 hours and 30 minutes remain.


10 players are left alive. Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit,

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

1 vote Silchas Ruin: Kessobahn

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit

[Sorrit]

 Galain, on 19 August 2010 - 01:58 PM, said:

Gah, I had a whole post typed up about how we need to lynch the person who is going to give us the most info, but my phone went and ate it I understand that to everyone else this will probably be me, although I can say now my CF isn't going to prove or disprove anything, since it hasn't helped me make any sense of what is going on.

I've said before, I really don't think that scum would be voting on opposite sides of a train on day one. If scum was defending me then I agree with kesso about who it would be. If scum was pushing my case then I'm not sure.

I would think scum would be pushing your lynch, would have been rather easy with HP, Atrahal and kessoh all gunning for me and in turn making you look bad...too easy to pass up.

But Ive been thinking for a while now that maybe i got such heat for that second vote because HP is actually the killer.
Think about it. Was what i did REALLY that bad?....no not really there are lots of posts that could be considered symp clues to their masters.
But why go so heavy handed for me me?...atrahal made a few rather large posts and seemed really convinced about them before i even started responding and getting into pissing matches.
I would think that a symp (probably atrahal) would lay it on so thick because he was trying to perhaps signal his master HP?

HP has played super slick so far and fits the mould perfectly for a killer. He would push the case on me and twist my meanings but not get overly aggressive and then disappear while the others like atrahal and kessoh would take over the pissing match with myself.

Of course i have been thinking this for a while now but i mean there really isnt much of a case to make on HP other than his smooth and what i perceive as a killer style of play.
I could easily see kessoh being his partner and atrahal being a symp who purposefully made a big deal out of what i did to signal his boss.

Regardless of all of that, HP is really the one player thats style and tone of posts smacks of a killer scum.
He even uhmm'd and aaah'd about voting you wich looked a little fake to me.
He was always going to vote for you and side with his team mates but didnt want to be too quick about it....thats what it looked like to me anyways.
I wanted some more from him today before i brought all this up....but im leaving soon and i thought it should bring it up for discussion before i go.

well thats my favorite theory so far but its very hard to get anyone to believe anything i say being the resident symp suspect. and all....meh


edit - added galains quote because of xpost

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 19 August 2010 - 02:31 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Bedtime here. Catch you all on the morrow.

[Sorrit]

well im also outa here

[Galain]

I am probably the best choice for today, even if it is just to get all of the arguing about me out of the picture.

[Kessobahn]

Well i still find it odd that sorritt goes on about me voting silcahs and then doesnt vote you. away for the day, will be back in the morning. hopefully long before the deadline.

[Silchas Ruin]

Good morning. I see Kesso has taken up Atrahal's mantle of Crusader Against Logic. Allow me to talk down to you after I reply to all of these posts.

First, why is Galain mentioning Tulas Shorn? Tulas didn't play and was modkilled.

 Galain, on 19 August 2010 - 08:38 AM, said:

Arguments like this boil down to being so much WIFOM. Scum don't necessarily do what the best thing for scum to do would be, for a whole variety of different reasons. I am a bit suspicious that TS would come out guns blazing for me, but after everything he said, he could still have made a big thing about not wanting to lynch me and doing it purely to get a lynch and still get his name tied to my CF.

Where did I make a comment about Galain's guilt? If I had done that, I would have voted him.

 Kessobahn, on 19 August 2010 - 09:25 AM, said:

My case has absolutely nothing to do with galains guilt or innocence and is solely based upon silchas play. I said yesterday numerous times how galain did nothing to imply guilt but the actions of others was incriminating him. I felt that was a better case for day 1 than you (for being symp like) or driss (for voting while discussing others). Even without a lynch though sides have been drawn up and a lot happened during the night. I think it is you who has tunnel vision. I made my case and placed one vote down at the start of a thirty six hour day and you (as yesterday) overreact.

to boil down my case into points you clearly missed :-
silchas refused to vote thus costing us a lynch
silchas claimed he would die at night
silchas made a comment about galains guilt during day 1, yet when galain was on the chopping block he did a complete uturn to become associated with gaalin
silchas on day 1 was portaining to be utterly certain of galains innocence when only scum could be

Totally wrong by Atrahal. If I were scum, considering I had not been on thread at all, I would have just shut up and let the day time out. No reason for me to suddenly speak up.

 Atrahal, on 19 August 2010 - 10:33 AM, said:

What?

You do realise that is the reason scum like no lynch, and the reason innos don't, right?

I would be happy to lynch silchas. While he does appear as a possible symp(looking like asking for a NK, strongly protective of galain) he' also potential scum. Mainly this is based on the refusal to lynch. If he's scum, he could know that Galain would CF inno, so maybe look better by opposing it. If that were the case though, he'd probably have just said "I oppose the case, but vote for a lynch". The refusal to vote is really wierd.

Not gonna vote now, cause I'll be back later.

Hahaha, @Kesso, Sorrit's got you nailed to a cross.

 Sorrit, on 19 August 2010 - 11:43 AM, said:

(Reply @Kesso removed)


No you are right....You never gunned for galain...not directly that is.
But you did helped in the onslaught on myself with the whole idea i was his symp!
Wich means, that you were helping with the case that i am a symp... galains symp...see where i am heading?

So excuse me for adding up 1 + 1 and getting 2

Your constant insistence that you never really wanted to vote for galain is laughable to me.
On the one hand you have your case that states silchas was trying to look inno by not wanting to vote for Galain...\
Yet on the other hand, by your very own words, you ASLO didnt really want to vote for galain!
And you have staed this a few times now!!....pot calling the kettle black much?
You could just as easily have been trying to do the same thing at the time. Just more subtler.
Maybe even be why you thought of the case in the first place. how do i know?

So we have you, who helped in attacking myself yesterday and helped in establishing that i could be a symp.
You have nicely stated that galain is not the problem and you "dont want to vote him but see no other choice"
Then you come the following day and build a case on someone for doing pretty much the same thing you keep saying you didnt really want to do?
And you wonder why i am asking these questions?

And as for my unique perspective, it is here for one and all to see untill you lynch me or nk me...no snarky comments you make can change that fact...sorry.


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