[Sanctume]

And if Paran dies, eww, would Errant try to take over as Master of the Deck?

I think there isn't enough closeness between Paran and Tavore. I just do not have that sibling bond / closeness. I don't think they even met with "screen time."

I also don't "feel" a tragic loss for Paran if he does die, but I would have a bit more tragic feel if Tavore does die.

[blanketman2.0]

Tattersail, on 14 October 2010 - 10:16 AM, said:

I disagree, imo Tavore knows Tavore and nobody else knows her. Maybe T'Amber did but she is dead. No one can know her plans, they can guess them, they can write them down or spread rumour but it won't be accurate. It's unwitnessed so people can only guess as best they can

true but she was also possessed by the Eres' al

[buddhacat]

blanketman2.0, on 15 October 2010 - 08:17 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 14 October 2010 - 10:16 AM, said:

I disagree, imo Tavore knows Tavore and nobody else knows her. Maybe T'Amber did but she is dead. No one can know her plans, they can guess them, they can write them down or spread rumour but it won't be accurate. It's unwitnessed so people can only guess as best they can

true but she was also possessed by the Eres' al

Tavore was not possessed by the Eresal.

[blanketman2.0]

I mean T''Amber

[haroos]

so ... is the CG going to start with kalam getting out of the azath house ?
maybe he is now destriant of shadow ??

[Tattersail_]

blanketman2.0, on 15 October 2010 - 08:17 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 14 October 2010 - 10:16 AM, said:

I disagree, imo Tavore knows Tavore and nobody else knows her. Maybe T'Amber did but she is dead. No one can know her plans, they can guess them, they can write them down or spread rumour but it won't be accurate. It's unwitnessed so people can only guess as best they can

true but she was also possessed by the Eres' al

so from this, you are saying that the eres'al let Duiker know how Tavore was feeling, thinking or planning at the time? my point here is that no one other than Tavore herself could know these things, as T'Amber is dead. Maybe Grub and Sinn know a thing or two seem as they are ambiguous?

[MTS]

I would like to point out - again - that nothing in that passage relies on information inside Tavore's head. In fact it is entirely without information from her. There Duiker is doing what all historians do, looking at her actions and character and making a judgment call about whether he thought she was ignorant of events in the empire or not. He claims she wasn't. End of story.

[Tattersail_]

MTS, on 18 October 2010 - 10:10 AM, said:

I would like to point out - again - that nothing in that passage relies on information inside Tavore's head. In fact it is entirely without information from her. There Duiker is doing what all historians do, looking at her actions and character and making a judgment call about whether he thought she was ignorant of events in the empire or not. He claims she wasn't. End of story.

where does he get his claim from then? How does he know what happened, or of her actions or character to make a judgement? my point is, it must have been witnessed, if not by outsiders then a faction within BH's therefore my point is that some of them survive to relay the whole tale to Duiker and then he can claim all he want from there..

[MTS]

Where are you getting all this witnessing crap? Duiker only goes so far as Y'Ghatan in his analysis, and his concern is for her knowledge of events within the empire, which the Bonehunters are very much not during RG.

[Tattersail_]

The first cracks appeared shortly after the execution of Sha'ik. None could know the mind of Adjunct Tavore. Not her closest officers, and not the commonn soldier under her command. But there were distant stirrings, to be sure, more easily noted in retrospect, and it would be presumptuous and indeed dismissive to claim that he Adjunct was ignorant of the growing troubles, not only in her command, but at the very heart of the Malazan Empire. Given that, the events at Y'Ghatan could have been a fatal wound. Were someone else in command, were that someone's heart any less hard, any less cold. This, more than at any other time behorehand, gave brutal truth to the conviction that Adjunct Tavore was cold iron, thurst into the soul of a raging forge...

"None to Witness"
(The Lost History of the Bonehunters)
Duiker of Darujhistan

The last bit Lost History Of the Bonehunters.

Where did he get the "lost" history from? I think he got it from surviving soldiers. They could only guess at her thoughts and feelings and motivations.

[MTS]

It could just mean that everyone has no f&$#%@* clue what happened to them, thus their history is a 'lost' one. There are books out there like 'The Lost History of Atlantis' and stuff like that, that don't purport to know what happened, but go on to speculate based on the evidence they do have.

[PutCashIn]

Maybe the 'No Mortal' reference is from the Bone Hunters nealry ascending under Y'Ghatan?

Being based upon a RPG some dudes had 30 years ago, the Bone Hunters must have close to the XP accumlated by the Bridge Burners, who have definatly ascended. (cf: the DnD compendium, 'Mass Combat')

Also in Dust of Dreams there is definate reference to survivors; the Lether protected baggage train plus as the Marines were being overwhelmed a call for a fighting withdrawl was made (covered by a Heavies/Burned Tears/Lether/Newbie Bridge Burners charge) to name two...

[Tattersail_]

Jenisapt Rul, on 09 August 2010 - 03:32 PM, said:

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Once freed, she [the O-dragon] will rise as a force of devastation, and against her no mortal can stand.

Why did they chose this way to phrase it? No mortal? This has to be significant. What if it's not a mortal. I assume that some bad ass Ascendant is just going to lob her head of then on the last page.

Cottillion?

[poeg]

Ganoes Paran, his unwitting high priest Fiddler or my favourite madman Iskaral Pust (god of a semi-intelligent congregation of who knows how many...) gets offed, my copy is going into the fireplace!

[Aptorian]

I was just reading the blurb again and it occurred to me that getting Brood to use the hammer may be the very result that the FA were seeking all along:

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Awaiting Tavore and her allies are the Forkrul Assail, the final arbiters of humanity. Drawing upon an alien power terrible in its magnitude, they seek to cleanse the world, to annihilate every human, every civilization, in order to begin anew. They welcome the coming conflagration of slaughter, for it shall be of their own devising, and it pleases them to know that, in the midst of the enemies gathering against them, there shall be betrayal.

So they are the ones responsible for the poisoning perhaps?