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#41 User is offline   Studlock 

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 10:18 AM

View PostBlack Winged Lord, on 23 July 2010 - 04:15 AM, said:

Paraphrase: "if a god had walked into that room right then, 5 fists would have vied to meet it"

Just the thought that mortals actually have the balls and tenacity to view gods in new ways like this.



Every time a read this I just think of the God of Niceness walking in and getting punched.

The Warrens and the evolution of magic is well dynamic instead of static.

The D'viers are awesome as well but my favorite idea from the book is the Crimson Guard mostly because mercanry group usually dont have an acutal goal in mind other than making money. (Mind you i havent read enough fanstay to be sure that this orginal)
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 11:00 AM

View Postworrywort, on 27 July 2010 - 10:11 AM, said:

One guy didn't think of all of this, two guys did...but point taken!


Something I hopefully made clear in my opening post! I know there's some debate about ICE's writing matching up to SE's (which I don't buy, RotCG was awesome in my humble opinion) but the world and its core concepts are very much the product of two beautiful/scary minds :p
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 02:05 PM

View PostKanubis, on 27 July 2010 - 11:00 AM, said:

View Postworrywort, on 27 July 2010 - 10:11 AM, said:

One guy didn't think of all of this, two guys did...but point taken!


Something I hopefully made clear in my opening post! I know there's some debate about ICE's writing matching up to SE's (which I don't buy, RotCG was awesome in my humble opinion) but the world and its core concepts are very much the product of two beautiful/scary minds :p


Mhhhnngggggghhh!! ok, two people but clearly both on that fine point between genius and madness! (*wink*)
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 02:06 PM

View PostThe Pretty, on 27 July 2010 - 10:18 AM, said:

View PostBlack Winged Lord, on 23 July 2010 - 04:15 AM, said:

Paraphrase: "if a god had walked into that room right then, 5 fists would have vied to meet it"

Just the thought that mortals actually have the balls and tenacity to view gods in new ways like this.



Every time a read this I just think of the God of Niceness walking in and getting punched.

The Warrens and the evolution of magic is well dynamic instead of static.

The D'viers are awesome as well but my favorite idea from the book is the Crimson Guard mostly because mercanry group usually dont have an acutal goal in mind other than making money. (Mind you i havent read enough fanstay to be sure that this orginal)


Ok, any takers on starting up a Crimson Guard Mercanry group for a UK LRP System?
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 02:30 PM

One thing SE does amazingly well, and something that few authors have achieved (except - in my experience - Dostoevsky), is to create a 'convergence' of sorts within the experience of the reader, and create such an overwhelming sense of awe at, not only the sheer awesomeness of the event, but also of the writers ability to effect that upon us. It is quite a powerful force, one I am continually humbled by and one that gives me a sense of pride in humanity (which is odd given the grim world events that often inspire his work.)

There are many examples in the MBOTF. Convergence is not only something that occurs within the plot development of the story - i.e. a convergence of characters or events -, it is also the convergence of thematic threads, and also the convergence or, what I like to call condensation of events. Think of how steam condensates into water, becomes more unitary, is given on ordinal point a place to come together. An idea, feeling, emotion (or all of these) condensate; this event and the experience which is its effect upon the reading mind, is something Erikson has, in my view, mastered. The concept of convergence works on so many levels in Erikson's work, and does so under a very potent literary mode - that of the effect.

Nietzsche in many ways began this concept; and while it is not predominate in Erikson's style, he does utilize it very well. In a sense effect is something that is divorced from the intention of the author, it is born of the life of the work itself, which includes the written word as well as the reader and all the experiences that we bring to the table as readers. Erikson could no more predict how each of us would react than he could universalize an effect - i.e. make it common to all readers -; however, he does do a damned good job of creating effects within us that utilize our own notions of the world and we in turn reflect differently upon those notions.

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Erikson's work is essentially expressive in the sense of being constructivist and vitalistic. It expands outward in all directions and its internal development and motion have such potency, such force as to almost challenge our own experiences of 'reality'. What is creation; what is real? What power does the writer bear in their creations? What is the truth of fiction or myth, of events and effects that flow from paper to the incorporeal zone that is the human mind? These I believe are Erikson's most beautiful concepts and ideas.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 02:32 PM

I can't see the spoiler in my previous post. Any ideas?

edit - ah ha figured it out.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 03:26 PM

Most of the good stuff has been said already, and maybe I'll come up with a few in a minute, but one that nobody has said yet that surprises me is Quorl Milk.
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 03:37 PM

alcoholic! :p
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Posted 28 March 2011 - 10:34 PM

For me this series is all about the characters, especially the Malazan marines. Sergeant Hellian!!!! This is by far one of my favourite. A sergeant that is constantly drunk, not just drunk but completely wasted all the time, who would imagine a person that threatens to cut her own nipples off in order to keep her soldiers in check. When ever I think of her, I imagine Jackie Chan in Drunken Master. She literally bar hopped her way through the Letheri compaign, which proved very successful, absolute gold. This chick is hard core, managed to take down a claw agent without even trying, and manages to keep her squad alive in any situation. I also love the fact that she has managed to seduce that prince guy (Skulldeath I think his name is) who had been saving himself his entire life for a worthy princess.... and the poor bastard wastes it on Hellian. I love how each character has their own history and unique story, I find the sections of the series that focus on the malazans, an absolute treat, and I actually find myself slowing down my reading so that the moments last longer.
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Posted 29 March 2011 - 03:47 PM

There's so much to choose from - here are a couple I don't think I saw yet in this thread:

The KCCM - they're not just a reptilian race, they have hive organization like ants do. And they have the highest technology, including some freaky biotech (did anyone else think "nanites!" at some points?), on the planet's history. I liked how they had "flavors" as an additional/heightened sense, which, along with the hive mentality, made them seem really alien. They seem just so over the top in so many ways, that if I were trying to describe them to someone who hadn't read the books, I'd feel kind of sheepish about. Yes, really: dinosaurs with frickin flying mountains full of high tech and the social structure of ants. And some of them are born with SWORDS for ARMS.

The Jaghut, too, were a really fascinating people. Extremely powerful and long-lived, yet weren't interested in dominating others, except for the few Tyrants, which would be ganged up on and contained. Sure, they put the planet into an ice age, but they were being threatened with genocide.

I'm rereading the series, and I'm really starting to appreciate the structure of the writing itself (didn't really take the time to do that during my first reading), and the deeper thematic and philosophical underpinnings. I love that this is action packed, has interesting plots and characters, many of whom experience believable growth, but it also has a lot to say about our reality.
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Posted 29 March 2011 - 05:09 PM

View PostBauchelain the Evil, on 22 July 2010 - 09:35 AM, said:

I think what happened to Icarium in DoD was really genius. I mean various people who are not real but think they are while the real guy thinks of himself as a ghost who follows them.

On a more general note both The T'lann imass and the Forkrul Assail are two interesting races. One that went undead so that they could follow their one purpose i.e wipe an entire race from the face of the planet and the other obsessed with justice order and peace and who think that the best way to have it is to kill everything.



Wait, what? Icarium was alive in the flesh in Dust of Dreams and the other characters (Taxillian etc) were ghosts? That flew right past me, but now that you mention it, that is awesome.

And here are some of the concepts I love:

* Fiddler carrying that broken fiddle around
* The philosophical and emotional underpinnings of Tavore Paran's plight
* Dragnipur
* Hood's Gate
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 12:49 AM

A race of badass extremely intelligent t-rex like reptilian beings with ceramic swords surgically implanted on the arms that came from another world aboard f*ckin steampunk flying fortresses(loaded with nanotecnology?), carryin an army of steroid-buffed heavily armed raptors... nuff said

also when i read "the bridge burns" somewhere in BH my reaction was something like
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:30 AM

the fact that with Lether, SE is mocking three kinds of government.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:46 PM

Well,like 1500 Malazan Marines annihilating the Letheri army.
And Anomander Rake.The guy is so badass !!
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 12:54 PM

The God of Death has Balls! If thats not awesome, then what is?
And I love his lunatics aka pust, ST, Kruppe (at least in his first appearances), tehol and a whole lot of sappers.
Jaghut humor :-)
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Posted 23 July 2014 - 07:56 PM

An incredible but silent scene for me: the flooded Nascent, and the silty waters licking at the sea wall, with some flotsam from the Edur ships further out. And I am not even taking about the actual flooding through the rent. Just a quiet day at the beach. Maybe like Trull experienced, shackled to the moorings, (minus the humiliation, the expulsion, the Shorn ritual and the almost drowning and stuff... you know)
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Posted 24 July 2014 - 03:00 AM

Thanks for reviving this thread, hansebee. I hadn't read it before, and it gave me shivers reading about some of these events again!
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Posted 24 July 2014 - 03:21 AM

Don't know if this has been mentioned before, but one of the concepts i absolutely loved was the idea of the Claw. Assasins have been used in many many many books, but the Malazan claw is more than a simple cadre of assasins or a terrifying secret police. They penetrated cities or enemy campls, killed the leaders, the mages, the points of resistance, when reading this the first thing it reminded me of was modern Special Forces soldiers who are injected into tough situations with small specific missions intended to upset the balance totally. Basically SE created Green Berets/SEALS/SAS/Delta Force and gave them almost superhuman powers.

Terrifying actually.


BTW this thread discusses concepts and ideas throughout the series. Shouldn't this be in General Book Topics?
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 10:01 AM

  • First, in general, the depth and scope. The simile I use: reading GRRM (a good writer) is like viewing a tapestry. Complicated, several ways to look at things, there are hidden secrets, etc. Erikson is like getting a ride in a helicopter, without a map, and you have to fly it ^_^ . It isutterly confusing, difficult, seems impossible at first. But once things click, you find some of the controls. And your breath is taken away by the view. And you can start all over again and have a whole new experience.
  • A (mostly) human empire where race, gender and sexual preference (including the whole virgin/whore/mother spectrum! Show me one other story where this is the case) are considered pretty irrelevant and nobody even comments on it, it is just the normal state of affairs. And it isn't a utopia either. I truly love Erikson for this.
  • The coolest undead ever, even from book one. And it got better after that. This is what I would have said after just reading the firsty book.
  • Jaghut humor.
  • Kruppe, I'd marry Kruppe :p And all of Toll the Hounds, that might be my favorite book ever.
  • How the 'good' guys (good as in trying to save the world...) include: Death, the gods of Shadow & asassins, The worm of Autumn (god of decay), the Son of Darkness, a bunch of scary homocidal traumatized veterans, a bunch of insane priests, a soul-shifting mage and a few more assassins. And they're mostly pretty nice people too :p
  • The Eres, primitive humans who are anything but simple.
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