[worry]

I said contrasting, not opposite. Because, essentially, I agree with you for the most part and I had those ideas in mind when I said that. But I don't agree that Rake is an Elder God because he's the first TA. I think he's an example of terrestrial humanoid "creationism" for lack of a better term. I think he's equivalent to the first Tel Akai or whatever, but of another world, basically. And of course he's a god too, but not in the same sense that he was an amorphous elemental blob of potential godship before humanoids began worshiping him, as with others. In a sense, all I'm basically saying is that Draconus and Osserc are fundamentally peers, while Rake "earned" his way to peerhood with them as few other terrestrial beings have.

[The Seguleh 46th]

worrywort, on 20 October 2010 - 07:22 PM, said:

I said contrasting, not opposite. Because, essentially, I agree with you for the most part and I had those ideas in mind when I said that. But I don't agree that Rake is an Elder God because he's the first TA. I think he's an example of terrestrial humanoid "creationism" for lack of a better term. I think he's equivalent to the first Tel Akai or whatever, but of another world, basically. And of course he's a god too, but not in the same sense that he was an amorphous elemental blob of potential godship before humanoids began worshiping him, as with others. In a sense, all I'm basically saying is that Draconus and Osserc are fundamentally peers, while Rake "earned" his way to peerhood with them as few other terrestrial beings have.

I really like this. Making me brain bleed here Worrywort, and in this case, that's good, as much as a bleeding brain can be considered a good thing, that is.

Spoiler

Also the statement by Draconus that MD's first children were not Tiste Andii lends credence to this as well, IMO. Then again, is Draconus's POV to be trusted?

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

The Seguleh 46th, on 20 October 2010 - 10:40 PM, said:

worrywort, on 20 October 2010 - 07:22 PM, said:

I said contrasting, not opposite. Because, essentially, I agree with you for the most part and I had those ideas in mind when I said that. But I don't agree that Rake is an Elder God because he's the first TA. I think he's an example of terrestrial humanoid "creationism" for lack of a better term. I think he's equivalent to the first Tel Akai or whatever, but of another world, basically. And of course he's a god too, but not in the same sense that he was an amorphous elemental blob of potential godship before humanoids began worshiping him, as with others. In a sense, all I'm basically saying is that Draconus and Osserc are fundamentally peers, while Rake "earned" his way to peerhood with them as few other terrestrial beings have.

I really like this. Making me brain bleed here Worrywort, and in this case, that's good, as much as a bleeding brain can be considered a good thing, that is.

Spoiler

Also the statement by Draconus that MD's first children were not Tiste Andii lends credence to this as well, IMO. Then again, is Draconus's POV to be trusted?

@ your spoiler, Osserc not Draconus. in BH I believe.

[D'iversify]

Does Draconus have anything to do with the whole King of Night business (i.e. when Ereko gets the Deck of Dragons reading on Stratem and that card comes up) or is that just representing Ereko's fated meeting with Kallor?

[The Seguleh 46th]

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 21 October 2010 - 12:00 AM, said:

@ your spoiler, Osserc not Draconus. in BH I believe.

Doh! You are completely right WJD, now that i think about it.

[excession]

D, on 21 October 2010 - 08:07 AM, said:

Does Draconus have anything to do with the whole King of Night business (i.e. when Ereko gets the Deck of Dragons reading on Stratem and that card comes up) or is that just representing Ereko's fated meeting with Kallor?

King of Night is Draconus. Kallor has nothing to do with the House of Darkness, or with any House, except the House of Chains.

[D'iversify]

excession, on 21 October 2010 - 10:13 AM, said:

D, on 21 October 2010 - 08:07 AM, said:

Does Draconus have anything to do with the whole King of Night business (i.e. when Ereko gets the Deck of Dragons reading on Stratem and that card comes up) or is that just representing Ereko's fated meeting with Kallor?

King of Night is Draconus. Kallor has nothing to do with the House of Darkness, or with any House, except the House of Chains.

I know Kallor doesn't have anything to do with HoD, but I find the context in which the King of Night card comes up odd, as I don't see how it relates to Ereko's fate (though Draconus is indirectly involved elsewhere in the book through his priest Heuk).

[George Sengar]

Could it be Tayschrenn's hidey hole?

Just a thought....