[dktorode]

Grief, on 13 July 2010 - 12:23 PM, said:

I opposed using it on day one, unless we had very strong suspects.

Basically, I don't think there is any need to decide before hand when to use it. You can decide that when you've got a situation it could actually be useful in.

So people posting caution and people posting no-catuion both strike me as pointless.

I can see where you're coming from. The multi-lynch is an advantage. The problem for me is the next step. I don't see why a killer would necessarily be cautious. They might not want it used, but that's not that likely-if there's a situation where it'd be useful, there's no reason not to. I can just as easily see a killer trying to get us to waste it early, as one being cautious, because I don't think it's that likely that a killer would think he had a chance of stopping it being used altogether.

There's also the fact that you attacking the cautious people is self serving. If you convince everyone that the cautious people are the scummiest, it makes you look more innocent.

You will find i have the exact same opinion on the matter as yourself.
We use it, if it fits the situation...
but there are people saying..."we should only use it on day 3" etc etc.
While they have no idea of what might between now and then. Seems like they are scare mongering a bit.

That smacks to me of someone who is scared that we do use it.
And i think there is more reason for scum to be THAT cautious and scared. Especially early on while we have the numbers and can afford to get it wrong.

I am not that bothered either way really... but i have to ask myself why some people seem to be.
Or i could just sit in the corner and shut up because people disagree with me.
Im used to my day one theories getting ignored , so dont worry your pretty little head.

Its not fool proof, nothing is. but for me its a starting point

[alt146]

Tapper, on 13 July 2010 - 12:33 PM, said:

alt146, on 13 July 2010 - 12:29 PM, said:

Still no time/vote count?

Vote Vengeance

To get a lynch through, since my my watch day times out in a couple of minutes.

check 8 posts above yours... I did 3 in an hour...

Oops, missed that.

[Path-Shaper]

Day 1 is ended.

One lynch: 6 votes Vengeance (Silencer, PB, Dkt, HMQB, Grief, alt)

---

As Yuan Shao's forces traveled beyond the security of the border forts, the Field Marshall split the force into 3 units. One general rode to reinforce the castle at Zhuo Jun. The Field Marshall took his own forces to entrench himself around Fan Yang. The last general established camp in the open plains east of Fan Yang. On the first night, the soldiers awoke at night to hear the roaring of Gongsun Zan's White Riders beyond the hills. The soldiers could not sleep for fear of attack, but no assault came.

At dawn of the second day, Chen Lin rode out with his loyal bodyguard of 50 crack troops to survey the hills directly north of Fan Yang. Two days' journey beyond these hills lay the occupied town of Yan Guo, and Chen Lin suspected the White Riders were using a concealed valley to get within shouting distance of Yuan Shao's camps. Chen Lin had spotted the valley and was riding closer for a better examination when suddenly three dozen men burst out of the nearby forest wielding lances and charged for his horse. While Chen Lin's bodyguard swept past him to tangle with the enemy, Chen Lin turned his horse about and was suddenly cut in half by a single stroke of a sword. Bleeding out onto the ground, Chen lin looked up at a youthful, handsome figure astride a a silver horse, with long black hair tied in a simple knot. The figure, staring down at him, said "I will not let you scum spoil the dreams of our fathers!" then turned and rode off.

Vengeance is dead. He was Chen Lin, General who Displays Might of Yuan Shao's forces.

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It is now Night 1. 6 hours remaining.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 13 July 2010 - 12:44 PM

[dktorode]

i thought it said 1.6 hours remaining for a second there

[Edrigan]

DKT what do you think about Vengeances train?

[Tapper]

alt146, on 13 July 2010 - 12:38 PM, said:

Tapper, on 13 July 2010 - 12:33 PM, said:

alt146, on 13 July 2010 - 12:29 PM, said:

Still no time/vote count?

Vote Vengeance

To get a lynch through, since my my watch day times out in a couple of minutes.

check 8 posts above yours... I did 3 in an hour...

Oops, missed that.

I do not make much of an impression, apparently

[dktorode]

Edrigan, on 13 July 2010 - 01:01 PM, said:

DKT what do you think about Vengeances train?

Well...looks like some people where voting simply to get a lynch.
But then some inno's think that a lynch is better than no lynch. So im really sure what to make of it.

I had my reasons to vote... but i can also understand others reasons to simply get the game moving allong.

What are your impressions?

[Mentalist]

morning all
I thought i'd be awake earlier than this, damn it alll....

[Edrigan]

dktorode, on 13 July 2010 - 01:08 PM, said:

Edrigan, on 13 July 2010 - 01:01 PM, said:

DKT what do you think about Vengeances train?

Well...looks like some people where voting simply to get a lynch.
But then some inno's think that a lynch is better than no lynch. So im really sure what to make of it.

I had my reasons to vote... but i can also understand others reasons to simply get the game moving allong.

What are your impressions?

I kinda get the vibe that the innos on it, are simply because a lynch is better than no lynch - also just because thats a good enough reason, its a great place for a scum or scums to hide in it.Its worth a shot discussing it, just to see if we can come up with some names that look suspicious.

For example Silencer started it, but he took his time before actually voting on it. Perhaps was waiting to see if someone else would jump on it first, or take the bait?
Then HMQB quoted Silencer before he gave his reasons behind his vote. I dont know if that quote was neccessery or not, instead he could simply have stated his reasoning and perhaps give us some more input on the subject.

PB started off saying he has a hunch about me, but he switched his vote quite early. Suspicious or not, he could have waited a bit more to see if others would be willing to vote for me, before Vengeance train build up, perhaps he wanted to be on it early. Not really sure what to make of it.

Grief took the train from L-2 to L-1, perhaps because time was getting dangerously low..
Alt hammered. Maybe because he wanted to see the CF, again perhaps due to time running low- Again could be the actions of someone who knows Vengy is a townie or someone who wants to see the CF asap...

[dktorode]

Actually i am pretty sure i was the first to vote Venge...dunno why i am third

[dktorode]

ok....itthe order was

PB, Dkt, Silencer, HMQB, Grief, alt

[Edrigan]

Dunno, I just took the order of names that Path-Shaper had in his last post, accepting that the votes happen in the order he posted.


Esit: X-post with DKT

This post has been edited by Edrigan: 13 July 2010 - 01:35 PM

[dktorode]

just thought you might want the correct order before you go out in a huge tangent on your vote break down and end up doing it all for nothing

[Edrigan]

Actually that order of voting makes me more suspicious of Silencer...

Usually if you have a hunch or a lead, you're the first one to go for it, unless you have reasons to lurk behind - So why didn't he lead the voting and waited to jump on it midways..

Makes me wonder.

[alt146]

The impression I got from Silencer was that he wasnt sure about the vote and then talked himself into it. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what happened though, it would be interesting to hear from him.

Is night always going to last 6 hours? I thought we'd managed to move past long boring nights in mafia.

[dktorode]

Meh...i didnt like Silencers self preserving "sentiment" but thats about all i got out of him.

[Path-Shaper]

alt146, on 13 July 2010 - 01:53 PM, said:

Is night always going to last 6 hours? I thought we'd managed to move past long boring nights in mafia.

It'll always be at least 3 hours (to shift the 24-hr day a little each time and not leave a single group in charge of the end of day voting). The full 6 if I am lacking actions of course.

[Peanutbutta]

I want to take this moment to say, "Hahaha, Vengey got lynched first," and tell him, "I love you, Vengey." But oh well, just a townie.

[dktorode]

well im outa here till tomorrow

[Path-Shaper]

In the waning hours of the evening, one of Chen Lin's sub-commanders arrived at Han Xun's camp to report Chen Lin's murder. Han Xun quickly gathered his fiercest company of soldiers, loaded several dozen wagons with incendiaries and set off for Chen Lin's camp. He left his deputy in charge of Zhuo Jun with orders not to open the gates to anyone but himself personally. Any messengers arriving at the gates were to be bound and stripped of weapons before entering the town.

Han Xun reached Chen Lin's encampment in the middle of the night and found the soldiers unorganized and frightened. He quickly rounded up the other sub-commanders and had the entire camp immediately begin erecting false tents and placing the wagons in preparation for an ambush.

At dawn, a thunderous charge could be felt through the ground as a horde of riders came sweeping down the hills into the camp. Han Xun placed his own crack troops just inside the camp, all feigning sleep. As the White Riders breached the outer walls and passed the row of wagons, the camp soldiers stood, lit arrows and released a volley. Flames burst into the sky along the wagons and the rear ranks of White Riders were burned alive instantly.

Han Xun shouted to press forward and push the panicked horde into the flames, but then heard fighting to his rear. The rear ranks of his crack troops had been cut down without warning and the next rows had now turned to repel a ferocious assault from the camp's soldiers. Xun saw the red scarves wound about the camp defenders' brows and knew he'd been tricked. He quickly dispatched his swiftest lieutenant to break out of the camp and send word to the Field Marshall and his own camp.

Han Xun was about to spur his own horse and ride towards the battle line when a sword abruptly slid into his chest. Xun stared down at the iron piercing his armor, then up into the eyes of the sub-commander who had warned his camp of Chen Lin's death earlier that evening. "The Gongsun family," he said, "has its pride, general. And you are not the man to stop it." In the chaos and flames, no one saw the killer flee towards the enemy lines.

The Dude is dead. He was Han Xun, General who Pacifies the North of Yuan Shao's forces.

The messenger dispatched by Han Xun expertly galloped through the chaos along the battle lines. He ducked the arrows speeding overhead and vaulted the lances thrust towards his horse, until at last one final leap took him through the flames and into the open plain beyond the camp. Hearing an especially loud commotion from within the camp, he turned just in time to see a lithe, long-haired figure upon a silver horse vault through the flames in precisely the same place and manner that the messenger had just performed. It was the last thing he ever saw, as the figure upon the silver horse brought down his sword through the messenger's head.

PB is dead. He was Cui Juye, a Cavalry Commander of Yuan Shao's forces.