[haroos]

1) May. 24th - "I just sent the manuscript of FORT FREAK, volume twenty-one in the ongoing Wild Cards series, off to our editors at Tor. Six hundred and eight pages of Jokertown goodness".

hmm, he finished 680 pages, that's so nice.

2)May. 9th - May. 21st - he's been looking at tapes of auditions to some characters (about 10 chars).

3) fan fiction - writing about this BS topic, endlessly.

4) nfl, wierd rand al'thor vs jaime lanister fanfic battle (from a guy who doesn't like fanfic).

5) buy some of my calenders, useless objects from my books, like emblems and people made out of plastic.

6) yet another book written while a dance with dragons is not even close to finished.

7) he asks that people not laugh to hard when he says he will finish a dance by the end of the year (still 6 more months, i remind you).

8) i saw movies, del toro wolfman and some other movies, i saw movies, did i said that already ?

9) priorities : nfl, casting of the show, hockey, a dance with dragons, convention.
yes, that's right.

10) well, on march 2nd he said he finished 1311 pages.


i can go on.

in short, g.r.r.martin, there're reasons i post mainly in this author's forums, and one of them is the uncanny
ability of erikson to actualy keep at his job, of writing books.

have a nice day.
(to those who somehow missed it, i am speaking for him, not me, and when i say speak i mean type).

This post has been edited by haroos: 02 June 2010 - 05:38 PM

[Aptorian]

Oh the impotent fanboy rage in this thread.

GRRM is not focused on ASOIAF, deal with it or move on.

[caladanbrood]

I imagine he'll make more money from the HBO series than from Dance of Dragons...




Also, he doesn't actually write the Wild Cards stuff, just edits it, as far as I know.

[Bent]

Bad Apt, let the noob vent. We all agree with him, GRRM is being a pain in the ass with his last book, and hopefully he wont hit the best seller list because of it (But he probably will).

[HoosierDaddy]

Well, considering Westeros doesn't let members talk about this entire situation, you don't have much of a choice do you? Frankly, I'm sick of reading about ASofIaF on here. It even permeates the book threads.

[Aptorian]

Okay. He's new on the forum. He may even be new to the ASOIAF series.

But this is an OLD discussion on this forum and it never changes. One side are appologists arguing that GRRM is not your slave author and he is free to write what he want when he wants it. His writing style in to juggle half a dozen projects at once and unfortunately this means that ASOIAF doesn't get top priority. If he wants he's free to spend a decade on each book, it's his prerogative.

The other side are outraged and demand satisfaction. They feel that beginning a series is like signing a contract with your readers, your customers. You finish what you start. They don't think it's okay that he has other projects, and for some reason it angers them even more that he dares to have a blog where he posts about things that interests him and he wants to share. They would rather that he was chained to his desk and was typing away 16 hours a day.

In the end, none of it matters. It's just a god damn book. A very promising series mind you. But it's just written papers. Running around being frustrated about Martins writing style and his passions is pointless. I read the first three somewhere back in 02 or 03, I've been waiting for the series to wrap up for 7 years. I don't expect Martin to finish the series within the next decade and by now I no longer care. Like the Wheel of Time I have just filed it away under "read if it ever gets finished".

Oh, and to do some constructive criticism. Instead of doing this disjointed point bulletin summary of what the OP read, instead he should just have linked us to the blog and done a quote copy from the blog.

In before "GRRM is overweight".

[Slick Mongoose]

haroos, on 02 June 2010 - 05:36 PM, said:

1) May. 24th - "I just sent the manuscript of FORT FREAK, volume twenty-one in the ongoing Wild Cards series, off to our editors at Tor. Six hundred and eight pages of Jokertown goodness".

hmm, he finished 680 pages, that's so nice.

No, he didn't. Wild Cards is a collaborative series, with multple authors per volume. He might have had a ~80 page story in there, or he might just be editing. Either way, he hasn't written 680 pages for it.

And Wild Cards is very good by the way, worth checking out.

[haroos]

Aptorian, on 02 June 2010 - 06:11 PM, said:

Okay. He's new on the forum. He may even be new to the ASOIAF series.

But this is an OLD discussion on this forum and it never changes. One side are appologists arguing that GRRM is not your slave author and he is free to write what he want when he wants it. His writing style in to juggle half a dozen projects at once and unfortunately this means that ASOIAF doesn't get top priority. If he wants he's free to spend a decade on each book, it's his prerogative.

The other side are outraged and demand satisfaction. They feel that beginning a series is like signing a contract with your readers, your customers. You finish what you start. They don't think it's okay that he has other projects, and for some reason it angers them even more that he dares to have a blog where he posts about things that interests him and he wants to share. They would rather that he was chained to his desk and was typing away 16 hours a day.

In the end, none of it matters. It's just a god damn book. A very promising series mind you. But it's just written papers. Running around being frustrated about Martins writing style and his passions is pointless. I read the first three somewhere back in 02 or 03, I've been waiting for the series to wrap up for 7 years. I don't expect Martin to finish the series within the next decade and by now I no longer care. Like the Wheel of Time I have just filed it away under "read if it ever gets finished".

Oh, and to do some constructive criticism. Instead of doing this disjointed point bulletin summary of what the OP read, instead he should just have linked us to the blog and done a quote copy from the blog.

In before "GRRM is overweight".

aptorian, i think i am older than you, and i read soiaf 10 years ago, maybe after you, but still, not yesterday.
i don't get why you comment in a fashion you criticize in me, kind of doesn't make sense.
this wasn't a rant post, it was just a collection of points from there, truly.
the fact that the whole issue is highly annoying, is not in contrast to that.

[Aptorian]

I was addressing Bent there. And giving people a cliff notes version of every GRRM publishing schedule discussion in existence.

It certainly does come off as a "rant post" since you are not providing any source and you seem to just be venting about disjointed topics you read on another forum. Not really having any way to comment on the specifics, since we don't have the source, the only choice is to talk in general terms which ends up with the typical GRRM discussion a la GRRM is so fat he believes that it is in fact butter, GRRM is really slow, is he dead yet, I demand books now because I am a petulant child, etc.

EDIT: Oh and the Rand vs Jaime battle was Epic! I would rather he just stopped writing ASOIAF and began writing fan fic and Lovecraftian short stories.

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 02 June 2010 - 06:32 PM

[haroos]

Aptorian, on 02 June 2010 - 06:31 PM, said:

I was addressing Bent there. And giving people a cliff notes version of every GRRM publishing schedule discussion in existence.

It certainly does come off as a "rant post" since you are not providing any source and you seem to just be venting about disjointed topics you read on another forum. Not really having any way to comment on the specifics, since we don't have the source, the only choice is to talk in general terms which ends up with the typical GRRM discussion a la GRRM is so fat he believes that it is in fact butter, GRRM is really slow, is he dead yet, I demand books now because I am a petulant child, etc.

EDIT: Oh and the Rand vs Jaime battle was Epic! I would rather he just stopped writing ASOIAF and began writing fan fic and Lovecraftian short stories.

i said it was from his blog, i'm supposed to bring links to every single blop post ?
anyway, call it rant, call it whatever.
i just brought some points from his blog, which i leaf through every once in a while, and that's all.
btw, who the hell cares about his lifestyle or appearence ?
you think i'm in his blog out of the blue ?
or maybe it's because i once read this great 3 books which led me into a fanatic of soiaf ?
(not realy a fanatatic, i certinaly will never buy any merchandise).

This post has been edited by haroos: 02 June 2010 - 06:57 PM

[Aptorian]

haroos, on 02 June 2010 - 06:57 PM, said:

i said it was from his blog, i'm supposed to bring links to every single blop post ?

It certainly helps. Especially when you are quoting the blog.

Here's the link by the way for those of us too lazy to actually go visit:

http://grrm.livejournal.com/

haroos, on 02 June 2010 - 06:57 PM, said:

anyway, call it rant, call it whatever.
i just brought some points from his blog, which i leaf through every once in a while, and that's all.

And you're free to do that. Like Bent pointed out I was a bit harsh. I apologise for that. It was rude. If true.

haroos, on 02 June 2010 - 06:57 PM, said:

btw, who the hell cares about his lifestyle or appearence ?
you think i'm in his blog out of the blue ?

Well, you certainly seem to have an interest in GRRMs daily routine.

And you would be amazed how quick any discussion descends into "He is fat and will probably die before he ends the book" on the internet. Bit sad really... (deadpool is still running though)

But then again, this is the Malazan Empire. We are a fickle crowd.

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 02 June 2010 - 07:28 PM

[Ulrik]

As Neil Gaiman said - He is not your bitch.

Live with it. Or not, I dont care, we dont care. Only result is that my opinion of you worsened.

P.S. Jon Snow is gay...

[Aptorian]

Oh my.

[Defiance]

People are still bitching about this? I was a bit annoyed back in '07 or so, but now I'm just like whatever. If it ever comes out, awesome, if it doesn't, oh well. Not worth getting all angry over.

[Abyss]

Wait, wait, back up... GRRM is still alive???


- Abyss,

[stone monkey]

You people should think yourself lucky, I once waited for nearly 15 years to read the next book in a particular series. That wasn't fun.

[haroos]

Aptorian, on 02 June 2010 - 07:16 PM, said:

haroos, on 02 June 2010 - 06:57 PM, said:

i said it was from his blog, i'm supposed to bring links to every single blop post ?

It certainly helps. Especially when you are quoting the blog.

Here's the link by the way for those of us too lazy to actually go visit:

http://grrm.livejournal.com/

haroos, on 02 June 2010 - 06:57 PM, said:

anyway, call it rant, call it whatever.
i just brought some points from his blog, which i leaf through every once in a while, and that's all.

And you're free to do that. Like Bent pointed out I was a bit harsh. I apologise for that. It was rude. If true.

haroos, on 02 June 2010 - 06:57 PM, said:

btw, who the hell cares about his lifestyle or appearence ?
you think i'm in his blog out of the blue ?

Well, you certainly seem to have an interest in GRRMs daily routine.

And you would be amazed how quick any discussion descends into "He is fat and will probably die before he ends the book" on the internet. Bit sad really... (deadpool is still running though)

But then again, this is the Malazan Empire. We are a fickle crowd.

believe me (or not), but i consider my self among the last to comment about the appearence of others, and so i don't do it.
the dance with a dragons is extremly (with many expletives and exclamation points) irritating, and the only point of the post was to show this, by
pointing out what he talks about.
and tnx for this comment.

[SalokinX]

OK, I'll just jump the posts and get my argument in here:

GRRM said in an interview (a podcast) that he writes books slowly because he's a slow writer, and he said that more than once.

He is not in a rush to finish the book. He has other things to do like, write other books, edit stuff, etc. If you are so desperate buy the three Tales of Dunk and Egg. They are very nice and gives you more insight to the history of Westeros about 100 years or so ago.

The problem is with you, not Martin. Learn to deal with your instant-gratification and stop blaming the others for not being speed writers.

By the way, I bought the old calendars (even though they are from 2009) and I already pre-ordered the 2011 one. What can I say? I'm a fan boy. I feel that this series is going to be as big as Lord of the Rings once it comes out on HBO and I want to be the ultimate nerd when that happens.

Cheers buddy.

[ansible]

I can understand how repeated complaints about GRRM can get to be annoying, especially since there isn't anything new to say. What really bothers me is the self-righteous disdain doled out by both sides, but especially his defenders. How is complaining about a book's completion date any different than complaining about the content of a book? If someone doesn't like Erikson's latest book, the standard reply is not (I hope), "Erikson is not your bitch; if you don't like the way he writes his books and the things that happen, don't read them." Regardless of whether a specific complaint has merit, I don't believe it's valid to classify all complaints about a certain topic as invalid.

[Abyss]

At some point i'm going to give GRRM his own subforum like we have for Butcher and stick in a subsubforum specifically for the timing threads!

I personally don't care how long it takes him or how many people want to vent about it. He'll take as long as he takes and if the fans don't like it they can say so with their wallets.

But quietly or else he may eat them. oh, was that out loud?