[Liosan]

Understood, Fener. But, what use does it serve Inno either? Drawing night actions?

[Fener]

trust me, I have no clue waht his game is.

in other news, are we gonna level up once we hit 1500 posts?
because if so, that'll happen damn fast.

[Silanah]

Fener, on 25 May 2010 - 12:50 AM, said:

once again, I don't really see scum being that obtuse... but i've been wrong before..

True, but nevertheless I just noted that GL isn't doing anything to convince me otherwise.

Sorry about just popping in, but I have to go. Be back soon.

[Kaschan]

Well that took a lot longer than expected!

Anyway, here are my thoughts -

I would have gone with a Shadow lynch as well. And its a strange coincidence (someone didnt like coincidences remember) that Emur and Shadow both came up as Ba Leng, I think it likely that they were the same alt - one shared by the same person.

Onto Barghast. Why did he die before the lynch went through? I think he/it was targetted by a day action.

"The last of the henchmen crumbled into a heap, taken from behind, knifed and silenced. She had had to employ her full arsenal of tricks, but now, she had evaded the clutches of the triade footmen. Time to go for their boss."

this was posted before the lynch scene

I think it likely that Bargy was targetted by a female. Or should I say, Bargy's boss was targetted by the female and took the bullet. and that boss was syndicate. So whoever the hell tried to hit him, try again. If you cant (dont have a kill action anymore, fucking reveal, and surely someone will be able to hit the fucker.


Thats my thoughts anyway - now for suspects.

Top 3

1. Fener - alot of gut here, but this post struck me as scummy

Fener, on 24 May 2010 - 08:37 PM, said:

so, Shadow WAS Chinese. gotta say that was a massive fuckup, announcing he's gonna go after Euros like that. didn't think anyone but scum would try something like that.

This just makes my neck hairs prickle. its not cool to poke the dead. Especially when you were one of those that killed them


2. Ruse

No posts on this one, no case, just scum vibes. Its really as if every time I read his posts I feel like he wants everyone dead. Snarky and asshole-ish ( neither of which are words) and just plain dickish.


3. Galain

Same reasons as the previous 2 days, also, seems to wriggle out of tight spots, may be playing the dumb card too much.


Those are in no particular order, however I would gladly vote for any of them.


Whew that took forever.

[Kaschan]

Fener, on 25 May 2010 - 12:54 AM, said:

trust me, I have no clue waht his game is.

in other news, are we gonna level up once we hit 1500 posts?
because if so, that'll happen damn fast.

Classic scum slip - trust me.

No one does, you are scum.

[Fener]

?
seriously?

your gut-fu needs some work, I suppose....

personally, i'm currently very curious about Serc, he's become a non-entity. Him and Tellan, I have no clue what their game is.

also, i'll agree with you on Ruse.

As for poking @ Shadow: if you'd bother to read back, you'd see I voiced the possibility of im being Chinese back on Thursday, when I called him out on voting you and not Omtose.

[Mockra]

Fener, on 25 May 2010 - 12:54 AM, said:

trust me, I have no clue waht his game is.

in other news, are we gonna level up once we hit 1500 posts?
because if so, that'll happen damn fast.

According to the rules, we won't level up until the end of day, even if we hit 1500 early in the day.

[Mockra]

@Kaschan, you could be correct about Barghast, but I personally thought that the Barghast alt had a limited life span, considering its existence is what caused me to be unable to speak (imagine if nobody had killed it, you would still be unable to hear my melodic voice).

I think P-S probably just wrote it into the lynch scene, because it sounds like it could be the same woman in both scenes (Shadow).

About Sil's theory that all Chinese come up as "Ba Leng," I had considered that but I think it less likely because of some very key information.

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He walked into the shady, smoke filled den, ignoring all the customers at their gambling and drink, walking straight up to the tiny figure sitting in the back. "Nice shirt," she said, waving at the embroidered tiger on the collar. "You know why I am here."
You want to kill me?" she asked, spinning the chamber of a revolver. "Are you sure your dick is big enough to match this?"
Someone laughed to the left. In reply, he lashed out with his left hand, hitting a guy who sat there cleaning his nails with a dirty switchblade. Two of the guys fingers spun in a lazy arc, and mayhem started. In the end, only one man stood, flicking a few drops of blood from his collar.

Emurlahn is dead, she was Ba Leng, a Chinese Spy.

Path-Shaper, on 24 May 2010 - 08:32 PM, said:

She sat there, smoking, and waiting for the syndicate to appear with their hostage. She and her men had prepared a nice little ambush. Use thieves to catch thieves, a western proverb said. Assfuckers got something right, sometimes. She spun the barrel of her revolver, and when the SUV stopped, she ran out of cover, shooting. Her back-up never appeared, and while she downed four syndicate hirelings, she got shot in the stomach by a burst of rifle fire.


Shadow is dead, she was Ba Leng, a Chinese spy.

It is now night.

In both cases, the woman uses a Revolver. I find it highly unlikely that all Chinese use the same weapon, in addition to having the same name, etc.
There's no 'clear' evidence that Emurlahn was a Faceless man, because that would, to me, indicate that Shadow would have the tiger-collar man's appearance, but by all accounts, it's a mirror of Emur. So I'm more inclined to believe that it really is the second mystery alt, even if that's extremely unlikely with so many players still in the game.

[Mockra]

Also, I have no clue about Fener, but it's probably best that you look at things objectively. I know what it's like to presume scum when you think you've found a decent case and then everything looks tinted through the lens of guilt.

I think we've had a few days of basically one or two candidates and I think we should keep our options open, but we should also remember 24 hour days can lead to frequent speed lynches since information right now is still clearly being kept close to the chest.

We could look at GL's "suspicion" of Meanas and say that's his way of signalling, without revealing, that Meanas was 'found' as a member of the scum. How likely is that? Probably extremely unlikely.

[Kaschan]

Mockra, on 25 May 2010 - 01:25 AM, said:

Also, I have no clue about Fener, but it's probably best that you look at things objectively. I know what it's like to presume scum when you think you've found a decent case and then everything looks tinted through the lens of guilt.

I think we've had a few days of basically one or two candidates and I think we should keep our options open, but we should also remember 24 hour days can lead to frequent speed lynches since information right now is still clearly being kept close to the chest.

We could look at GL's "suspicion" of Meanas and say that's his way of signalling, without revealing, that Meanas was 'found' as a member of the scum. How likely is that? Probably extremely unlikely.

Im not tunnel visioned, if thats what you are getting at, just thought it would be nice to voice my top 3 and go from there.

[Liosan]

I agree with Mockra about Barghast. Although, it seems strange that it's usage timed out just before Shadow got lynched.

@Kaschan, RE: Ruse. Well he did say:

Ruse, on 24 May 2010 - 09:36 PM, said:

Non-contextual stuff....
....

Seriously, no deaths again? I feel like this is the calm before the storm... though at least there was what appears to be an attempted kill.

So, I suppose that could be a reason you are thinking that. "Though at leat there was... an attempted kill." Is bizarre language usage.

[Liosan]

And, everybody left.

[Kaschan]

Yep, Im off to get some sleep.

[Fener]

Mockra, on 25 May 2010 - 01:22 AM, said:

@Kaschan, you could be correct about Barghast, but I personally thought that the Barghast alt had a limited life span, considering its existence is what caused me to be unable to speak (imagine if nobody had killed it, you would still be unable to hear my melodic voice).

I think P-S probably just wrote it into the lynch scene, because it sounds like it could be the same woman in both scenes (Shadow).

About Sil's theory that all Chinese come up as "Ba Leng," I had considered that but I think it less likely because of some very key information.

Quote

He walked into the shady, smoke filled den, ignoring all the customers at their gambling and drink, walking straight up to the tiny figure sitting in the back. "Nice shirt," she said, waving at the embroidered tiger on the collar. "You know why I am here."
You want to kill me?" she asked, spinning the chamber of a revolver. "Are you sure your dick is big enough to match this?"
Someone laughed to the left. In reply, he lashed out with his left hand, hitting a guy who sat there cleaning his nails with a dirty switchblade. Two of the guys fingers spun in a lazy arc, and mayhem started. In the end, only one man stood, flicking a few drops of blood from his collar.

Emurlahn is dead, she was Ba Leng, a Chinese Spy.

Path-Shaper, on 24 May 2010 - 08:32 PM, said:

She sat there, smoking, and waiting for the syndicate to appear with their hostage. She and her men had prepared a nice little ambush. Use thieves to catch thieves, a western proverb said. Assfuckers got something right, sometimes. She spun the barrel of her revolver, and when the SUV stopped, she ran out of cover, shooting. Her back-up never appeared, and while she downed four syndicate hirelings, she got shot in the stomach by a burst of rifle fire.


Shadow is dead, she was Ba Leng, a Chinese spy.

It is now night.

In both cases, the woman uses a Revolver. I find it highly unlikely that all Chinese use the same weapon, in addition to having the same name, etc. There's no 'clear' evidence that Emurlahn was a Faceless man, because that would, to me, indicate that Shadow would have the tiger-collar man's appearance, but by all accounts, it's a mirror of Emur. So I'm more inclined to believe that it really is the second mystery alt, even if that's extremely unlikely with so many players still in the game.

maybe they are just twins?

[Mockra]

Twins with the same name?

[Liosan]

Siamese twins? Lol.

[Hugin & Munin]

Night night this mod is going to bed...

Vengeance

[Sheltatha Lore]

That would be pretty amazing odds that both La Beng`s alts are dead. If I was playing two alts and they died in succession, I`d be pissed at my bad luck.

I would agree that it appears that some people could in fact know the identity of some syndicate members. If I remember their role descriptions from last game (I re-read them) they had their fair share of BP`s, so lynching is likely the best course of action.

About the lynch itself - Sil noted that a lot of people used the "dont see anything better" somewhat lazy vote addition and the irony that entailed. I noticed something else. Amongst that group of fast voters there seemed to be quite a few that added a line defending Galain.

Serc says this:

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all im getting from Galain is that he's a bit confused about basic information and hasnt been reading everything very carefully

Olar Ethil says:

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I still feel that Shadow is jumping on the easy lynch [Galains] by going after someone who clearly had no concept the game. Yeah, his bad for being a dolt and not reading the rules right, but I just get the feeling he was confused.

Tellan says:

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I feel a lot better about a Shadow lynch than a Galain lynch myself - Galain struck me as confused more than anything else, and unlikely to be syndicate

Hoods Path says:

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However, in a game such as this it seems weird to jump on someone for mistaking one of a hundred rules.

It was like they all were quoting from the same play book. Thats an awful lot of defense generated for Galain, since everyone who piled on Shadow appears to have needed to say "Oh the poor dear is just confused." Just the shear amount of that sort of sympish behavior makes me suspicious of Galain.

In RL news, my wife`s uncle has passed away, so my internet access might be a little spotty starting tomorrow with me attending the funeral and all that entails. Until then I`ll be on again here and there.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Silanah, on 24 May 2010 - 05:44 PM, said:

Omtose, on 24 May 2010 - 03:16 PM, said:

I will be around so I am going to leave a vote for the time being on Galain. For the only reason of ,His lynch has the best chance at the moment. I will be around to remove it and vote else where if need be.

Vote Galain

sorry Galain.

Just for irony's sake.

Serc, on 24 May 2010 - 03:38 PM, said:

Ok after going through the last day or so, im definitely leaning towards Shadow, some of his posts actually made me stop and go wtf and il see if i can go back and find some of them in a minute as i think Sil might have missed a few of them in his case.

Galain im not sure about, he's had some very strange posts as well, but whereas Shadow seems to be giving off a very dodgy vibe all im getting from Galain is that he's a bit confused about basic information and hasnt been reading everything very carefully so im more inclined to believe that hes an inno whos in a bit over his head right now.

@Sheltatha In regards to looking for low posters who've suddenly upped their contributions in regards to Korvs lynch id say that Meanas is a very obvious choice in that regards, as iirc he came on soonish after the Korv lynch and basically ranted that we shouldnt be going for low posters (like him) but should be lynching the spammers.

So for now

Vote Shadow

and now im going to go and read through the scenes, see if i can see any connections.

Olar Ethil, on 24 May 2010 - 03:40 PM, said:

Just getting back. I still feel that Shadow is jumping on the easy lynch by going after someone who clearly had no concept the game. Yeah, his bad for being a dolt and not reading the rules right, but I just get the feeling he was confused. Shadow jumping on him, otoh, seems like a play scum would make, to go after the easy lynch. I think his willingness to just jump from Kaschan, to galain once he smelled galain's weakness is the sign of a hunter.

vote Shadow

for reasons stated above.

I have meetings all day, will be in and out. Wanted to get a vote in in case I am not back for a lynch.

Eloth, on 24 May 2010 - 03:42 PM, said:

I have to go now.... wont be back before deadline.

Hmmm...

I think i will throw my hat in with the case on shadow. Even though i dont think its that solid.
IF anything to get a lynch but also to see what some pressure on him wil do.
We have had a decent train/case going on galain already...i would like to see what a train on Shadow brings out this time.

Vote Shadow

Galain, on 24 May 2010 - 03:43 PM, said:

I'm back and around for a little bit. I have to agree with Eloth there. When everyone has a NA then its easier to sit back and wait till Night and then see what happens. Of course with the spam required for the leveling as well a lot of posts are well just spam, and going back to reread players is hard work.

Also the forum has been down an aweful lot and its been a bit of stop start affair as well. Its still early in the game though 21 players left! Not including Barghast. I guess we need to spend some time going back and looking at people tomorrow, there's a lot of people whose posts I don't recall. Apparently a lot of them are PS...

Anyway, looking over Silanah's case its actually not too bad all things considered. Especially since Shadow was pushing that lynch after Korv had actually returned and had given some usual infomation. Which is strange really since why would you push a lynch against a potential finder? The Korvalain lynch happened too quickly really.

I've certainly seen worse cases, and unfortunately its looking like its either me or Shadow at this point and I won't be around for the lynch itself.


Vote Shadow

Edit: Bolded Shadow's name.

Fener, on 24 May 2010 - 03:59 PM, said:

ok, so now that I've gone back, I see that I was questionaing Shadow's logic before I went to bed and woke up to see a dead forum

so,

vote Shadow

let's see if we can even GET a lynch...

Tellan, on 24 May 2010 - 04:00 PM, said:

Cool, weekend break is over, mafia goodness can resume.

I feel a lot better about a Shadow lynch than a Galain lynch myself - Galain struck me as confused more than anything else, and unlikely to be syndicate. Shadow on the other hand seemed to be going after what looked like an easy lynch on someone who is also unlikely to be syndicate.

After yesterday, I'm a little hesitant to put down a vote in case the day ends early again, but with four votes down at the moment, I think we should still be safe.

vote Shadow

As for people's contributions, I think it's very difficult to judge people by post count alone. The amount of catching up required tends to infringe on posting time, plus there's still so many people - I think a lot of people feel safer just lurking until they have a better idea of what is going on.

Hood, on 24 May 2010 - 04:17 PM, said:

As to not reveal my alt and all; I'm going to be gone pretty much all of today and most of tomorrow. Might be some glimmers of internet, but most likely not. This is the same reason (to an extent) that I've been low posting the last few days before the week-end.

As for the cases, I've never been a fan of lynching for lack of reading comprehension. In low complexity games I'm inclined to think that scum feel less need to learn every twist and turn of the rules and as such mistakes like that can be signs of alignment. However, in a game such as this it seems weird to jump on someone for mistaking one of a hundred rules.

vote Shadow

Seems to me he did what he did for an easy, safe lynch.

Ok, so all of you people posting about 'Shadow going for an easy lynch' (Fener, Eloth, Olar, Tellann, HP) and 'just to see if we can get a lynch' (Fener, Eloth) strikes me as very strange. 7 votes in 20 minutes? And without even a defense from Shadow himself? If that's not 'jumping on the easy lynch' I have no idea what is. I'd also like so see some actual questioning of the case and not just saying 'it's not very solid' before it gets a lynch too, since that's hardly a constructive comment (Eloth, Galain, Olar), and could easily be construed as coasting. Also, are people even wanting to look at other people? I understand it's a bit of a bitch to read through posts and there are a lot of people, but with the search feature, and the fact that half of them are spam, it really doesn't amount to much, especially in the cases of the lower-mid range of posters like Tellann or Ruse. It's only about 5-10 posts all up for them, and you don't have to read multiple people. Just read one person.

For those of you who want to see the full quotes with their original time stamps, this is a copy past of Silanah`s post.

[Omtose]

Liosan, on 25 May 2010 - 02:41 AM, said:

Siamese twins? Lol.

Rep after the game for that.

I Have to agree with Mockra or Sil, which ever said that emu+ shadow = extra alt.