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Just a brilliant film. Nolan has become a must see director. The thinky meats were working over time but if the top didn't stop spinning then his dream might have started much earlier. There was a bit were after he woke up he didn't spin the top. However I can't remember if Ellen page with in that dream or if it was another one. Everyone in the film was top notch.
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Posted 19 July 2010 - 05:03 PM
How many fucking people do I have to hammer in order to get that across.
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Posted 19 July 2010 - 07:28 PM
Vengeance, on 19 July 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:
...but if the top didn't stop spinning then his dream might have started much earlier. There was a bit were after he woke up he didn't spin the top. ...
True but the extra complication is that the top was originally Mol's totem, not Dom's. We can't even take for granted that it worked for him even if he said it did, since if the whole thing was his dream, he would influence the reality (being an architect and all).
I liked how there were rolls... Extractor, Architect, Forger and Alchemist. All very Ocean's Eleven'ish in a good way.
I also liked how the dreamspaces were 'real' as in reflecting peoples' actual world instead of fantasy-land.
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Posted 19 July 2010 - 11:33 PM
Did anyone else really dig lines like
"You're asking me for Inception. I hope you do understand the gravity of that request"
"You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling." [Pulls out a grenade launcher]
"We go down there, and we wake him and then we ride the kick up the layers"...
Also, I am in fucking LOVE with the soundtrack. It's so ominous. Parts are similar to Zimmer's work on TDK, but it goes beyond that into softer shades with big resounding crashes when you least expect them. Highly recommend a listen on your ole iPod.
"You're asking me for Inception. I hope you do understand the gravity of that request"
"You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling." [Pulls out a grenade launcher]
"We go down there, and we wake him and then we ride the kick up the layers"...
Also, I am in fucking LOVE with the soundtrack. It's so ominous. Parts are similar to Zimmer's work on TDK, but it goes beyond that into softer shades with big resounding crashes when you least expect them. Highly recommend a listen on your ole iPod.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 03:34 AM
I wrote a review on me blog: http://diwanflix.blo.../inception.html
In case anyone still needs prodding to go see it
In case anyone still needs prodding to go see it
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 08:46 PM
damn homie.... my mind is playing tricks on me.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 12:14 AM
Speaking in terms of the audience reaction being a good thing, I don't think it necessarily is... I mean that was my reaction but my thoughts where 'why is a storyteller as good as him resorting to cheap tricks like that'?
Especially since, for me, the idea that he's still asleep undoes a lot of the emotional direction of the film.
Especially since, for me, the idea that he's still asleep undoes a lot of the emotional direction of the film.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:40 AM
polishgenius, on 23 July 2010 - 12:14 AM, said:
Speaking in terms of the audience reaction being a good thing, I don't think it necessarily is... I mean that was my reaction but my thoughts where 'why is a storyteller as good as him resorting to cheap tricks like that'?
Especially since, for me, the idea that he's still asleep undoes a lot of the emotional direction of the film.
Especially since, for me, the idea that he's still asleep undoes a lot of the emotional direction of the film.
Why is that? Whether he is sleep or not...he's finally happy. He let Mol go and he gets to see his kids again. It's just an ambiguous way of getting to where he wanted to be. It's kind of irrelevant at that point. The journey was what matters.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:55 AM
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 06:40 AM
QuickTidal, on 23 July 2010 - 02:40 AM, said:
Why is that? Whether he is sleep or not...he's finally happy. He let Mol go and he gets to see his kids again. It's just an ambiguous way of getting to where he wanted to be. It's kind of irrelevant at that point. The journey was what matters.
But that's the point, the journey is built on the foundations of Mol having killed herself and him coming to terms with that and with his guilt, and of course seeing his kids again. The whole direction of that first part is changed if he is still dreaming, and the resolution of the second becomes a bit phoney- with his reaction to staying in limbo with her, would he really be truly happy with memory-kids?
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:21 PM
polishgenius, on 23 July 2010 - 06:40 AM, said:
...The whole direction of that first part is changed if he is still dreaming, and the resolution of the second becomes a bit phoney- with his reaction to staying in limbo with her, would he really be truly happy with memory-kids?
Not at all.
If it's real then he acheives his goal of being able to see his kids again and acheive inner peace.
If it's a dream then he acheives his goal of inner peace and allows himself to see his kids again.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 06:26 PM
I think part of it is the character development that he goes through. In the beginning and most of the movie, he has to use that spin to check reality constant because he is always in doubt. At the end he just let it spins and finally walks out to his children to see their faces, not caring if it is a dream or not, thereby saying that reality is what you make of it and that he has chosen to find his inner peace, dream or no dream.
Wonderful movie, want to go see it again.
Wonderful movie, want to go see it again.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 10:14 PM
Just saw it again yesterday in IMAX. Damn, but it was even better the second time!!
It also opened up an entire WORLD of questions and intrigues about the intricacies of the whole thing. My friends and I have been emailing all day about various things.
Man, what a great flick!
It also opened up an entire WORLD of questions and intrigues about the intricacies of the whole thing. My friends and I have been emailing all day about various things.
Man, what a great flick!
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 10:22 PM
polishgenius, on 23 July 2010 - 06:40 AM, said:
QuickTidal, on 23 July 2010 - 02:40 AM, said:
Why is that? Whether he is sleep or not...he's finally happy. He let Mol go and he gets to see his kids again. It's just an ambiguous way of getting to where he wanted to be. It's kind of irrelevant at that point. The journey was what matters.
But that's the point, the journey is built on the foundations of Mol having killed herself and him coming to terms with that and with his guilt, and of course seeing his kids again. The whole direction of that first part is changed if he is still dreaming, and the resolution of the second becomes a bit phoney- with his reaction to staying in limbo with her, would he really be truly happy with memory-kids?
No, the journey is built on HIS mind. Subconcious AND memories, what is left of what happened to Mal is in his memory. The journey is him getting home to his kids, end of story. Whether he got there for real, or in a dream is besides the point. He got there. Come hell or high water, he got there. He pulled off a near impossible thing (INCEPTION within three layers of dream) in either case, and gets to see his kids again. Make no mistake, the journey is not at all about Mal's suicide...as he says himself he can't change those things, but he can't stop trying to do so. He locks them away. See, if he is still dreaming, then yeah Mal killed herself and woke up, but that's not what he wanted...all he wanted was to see the kids again. He had his life with Mal (50 years worth).
That said, I don't think it is all a dream. I think his final reality....Is reality.
But I really, really LOVE ambiguous endings like that. We don't need to know if the top toppled or not. Like Lost In Translation (I don't care what he whispered to her) or Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (Did he get the money or not...it doesn't matter).
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 10:23 PM
Sindriss, on 23 July 2010 - 06:26 PM, said:
I think part of it is the character development that he goes through. In the beginning and most of the movie, he has to use that spin to check reality constant because he is always in doubt. At the end he just let it spins and finally walks out to his children to see their faces, not caring if it is a dream or not, thereby saying that reality is what you make of it and that he has chosen to find his inner peace, dream or no dream.
Wonderful movie, want to go see it again.
Wonderful movie, want to go see it again.
Wow, VERY well put!
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Posted 24 July 2010 - 01:50 PM
Thank you, feel free to rep!
I also saw it in IMAX, actually in the third largest in the world in Melbourne. Pretty awesome I must say.
I should probably see it again, so that I can catch more of the complexity.
I also saw it in IMAX, actually in the third largest in the world in Melbourne. Pretty awesome I must say.
I should probably see it again, so that I can catch more of the complexity.
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Posted 24 July 2010 - 06:34 PM
QuickTidal, on 23 July 2010 - 10:22 PM, said:
But I really, really LOVE ambiguous endings like that. We don't need to know if the top toppled or not. Like Lost In Translation (I don't care what he whispered to her) or Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (Did he get the money or not...it doesn't matter).
I like some ambiguous endings. I don't like this one. Simply because, for me, it being dreams cheapens the journey.
I'm probably going to see it again on Thursday, so maybe I'll change my mind.
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 11:55 PM
Maybe I'm just clueless or too old for groundbreaking movies but the one thing I thought was a clear clue he was dreaming everything were the kids. We see them in the beginning when we find out he's been exiled from America for an indeterminate amount of time. So why at the end, when he's is reunited with them do they look the same size, same age, etc as they did when he last saw them? I thought they were just his mental/dream projection of a "happy ending."
