[haroos]

why is he in that position ?
isn't he dead ? (or his father, for that matter too).

[Aptorian]

Besides misspelling "Baudin" you might want to edit the tittle for spoilers. People who have not yet read Memories of Ice might get a bit crossed.

After his death in DG Baudin was selected by Hood to serve as Knight of Death, what with the position being vacant. Maybe it was a retcon by Erikson, or maybe there was a very real reason, but during the march on Dragnipur and Chaos Baudin and the 2nd Seguleh seem to switch position, so the question is moot.

As for the how, you don't need to be alive to be of use to the God of Death. In fact, it might actually be a benefit.

[haroos]

Aptorian, on 09 May 2010 - 04:43 PM, said:

Besides misspelling "Baudin" you might want to edit the tittle for spoilers. People who have not yet read Memories of Ice might get a bit crossed.

After his death in DG Baudin was selected by Hood to serve as Knight of Death, what with the position being vacant. Maybe it was a retcon by Erikson, or maybe there was a very real reason, but during the march on Dragnipur and Chaos Baudin and the 2nd Seguleh seem to switch position, so the question is moot.

As for the how, you don't need to be alive to be of use to the God of Death. In fact, it might actually be a benefit.

his position is not a spoiler, it's written in many websites.
and i posted it on the 8th book forum, not the 2nd.
so how is it a problem ?

as for the issue, i take it, he never realy filled that part.

[Aptorian]

What can be found through other sources than this website is of no consequence. What matters is how the information and discussions provided by the forum is handled.

People looking at the front page of the site, or even the front page of the forum list, can see the most recently submitted threads to the forum. People looking at the list of book forums will also be able to see the most recently active thread in each forum. This means that even though you don't actually enter one of the later book forums, you could still have later events spoiled by a bad thread title. Therefore there is to be no spoilers in the titles. Better to keep things vague or not go too much into specifics.

Baudin was the Knight for some years it seems. We first learn of this position in MoI where he appears as a (dead?) soldier from the Panion Domin with swords fused in his hands. He helps intern the Mhybe. After that we don't hear anything more about him. Since we have no other news we have to assume that he remained the knight up untill Hood began marching his army on the Dragnipur. Up untill Bonehunters the 2nd was still Soldier of Death.

[Ulrik]

haroos, on 09 May 2010 - 04:46 PM, said:

Aptorian, on 09 May 2010 - 04:43 PM, said:

Besides misspelling "Baudin" you might want to edit the tittle for spoilers. People who have not yet read Memories of Ice might get a bit crossed.

After his death in DG Baudin was selected by Hood to serve as Knight of Death, what with the position being vacant. Maybe it was a retcon by Erikson, or maybe there was a very real reason, but during the march on Dragnipur and Chaos Baudin and the 2nd Seguleh seem to switch position, so the question is moot.

As for the how, you don't need to be alive to be of use to the God of Death. In fact, it might actually be a benefit.

his position is not a spoiler, it's written in many websites.
and i posted it on the 8th book forum, not the 2nd.
so how is it a problem ?

as for the issue, i take it, he never realy filled that part.

Name of thread is displayed in main page, so it can be read by every newcomer who just began to read DG...it is some kind of spoiler, really

[SilenceYourTongueAndWitness]

i dont have my copy on me but near the end did hood not ask his for "soldier"(baudin) because the segulah second was the "knight"

[Aptorian]

Yes, they somehow switched, like I wrote above, either it's a retcon or Hood simply decided that having the 2nd as the Knight was a better choice.

[SilenceYourTongueAndWitness]

Aptorian, on 10 May 2010 - 07:24 AM, said:

Yes, they somehow switched, like I wrote above, either it's a retcon or Hood simply decided that having the 2nd as the Knight was a better choice.

i must have missed you saying that , my books are currently lent out to a friend, but was baudin ever actually stated to be the knight? or was it an assumption on our part?

[Aptorian]

There is a page dedicated to Baudin as Knight of Death on the encyclopediamalazica.

http://encyclopediam...Knight+of+Death

WARNING: There is of course lots of spoilers up until the latest books if you go looking around outside this page.

[SilenceYourTongueAndWitness]

Aptorian, on 10 May 2010 - 07:35 AM, said:

There is a page dedicated to Baudin as Knight of Death on the encyclopediamalazica.

http://encyclopediam...Knight+of+Death

WARNING: There is of course lots of spoilers up until the latest books if you go looking around outside this page.

I went to the site and read whats posted and see no concrete evidence that the knight being refered to as baudin and actually a few reasons why that (in my opinion) they could be wrong

1. They refer to the knight using broadswords he cant let go of, baudin was a Talon, i dont know if dancer's hand chosen would use swords, long knives maybe. just seems to give more evidence to it being a segulah as all the ones from my memory used 2 swords
2. They refer to the knight as a bull of a man, if I recall baudin wasnt that big of a guy. he blended in with those around him, everyone notices the seven foot assassin

only thing that gets me is the reference to him failing in his task to defend the child. also it says baudin died in a fire. i guess i will need to reread that as the only time i remember the silanda going through the fires of tellan was with stormy and gesler, don't remember if baudin was there but i also dont recall anyone important dying during that scene.

[Silk]

Pethaps the reasoning is a simple as this:

In normal times Baudin woudl still eb the knight, however in case of Battle the Seguleh Second would be better as Knight than an assassin, purely from a acommand point of view

[SilenceYourTongueAndWitness]

Silk, on 10 May 2010 - 09:04 AM, said:

Pethaps the reasoning is a simple as this:

In normal times Baudin woudl still eb the knight, however in case of Battle the Seguleh Second would be better as Knight than an assassin, purely from a acommand point of view

If your "knight" of high house death wouldn't be good for battle why would you put him as the knight lol, i dont think baudins skills are in question here just wether or not he was ACTUALLY stated to be the knight or if thats whats been assumed and he's been the soldier all along

[Silk]

well knight can refer to more than just battle prowess... it could refer to the other aspects such as Honour, courage, chivalry etc ... and in the case of teh Mybhe that was a chivalrous act and quite possibly using someone such as Baudin (a human aspect to Hoods Family) for the Job.

[MTS]

SilenceYourTongueAndWitness, on 10 May 2010 - 08:30 AM, said:

Aptorian, on 10 May 2010 - 07:35 AM, said:

There is a page dedicated to Baudin as Knight of Death on the encyclopediamalazica.

http://encyclopediam...Knight+of+Death

WARNING: There is of course lots of spoilers up until the latest books if you go looking around outside this page.

I went to the site and read whats posted and see no concrete evidence that the knight being refered to as baudin and actually a few reasons why that (in my opinion) they could be wrong

1. They refer to the knight using broadswords he cant let go of, baudin was a Talon, i dont know if dancer's hand chosen would use swords, long knives maybe. just seems to give more evidence to it being a segulah as all the ones from my memory used 2 swords
2. They refer to the knight as a bull of a man, if I recall baudin wasnt that big of a guy. he blended in with those around him, everyone notices the seven foot assassin

only thing that gets me is the reference to him failing in his task to defend the child. also it says baudin died in a fire. i guess i will need to reread that as the only time i remember the silanda going through the fires of tellan was with stormy and gesler, don't remember if baudin was there but i also dont recall anyone important dying during that scene.

1. He's not a Talon anymore, he's a Gidrath. Gidrath use long swords.

2. The first descriptive word that describes Baudin is big: 'The big, silent man on her left slowly rose to his feet, pulling the chain with him.' He is constantly described in the prologue as a 'thug'. Thugs aren't generally small. Remember, Kalam is described as a 'bear of a man', yet he's one of the best assassins there is. Don't have to be seven foot to be big either.

Baudin died when fighting Gryllen, and was burnt to death by lamp oil, not when they went through fire on the Silanda. You're right though - no one important died in that scene.

[haroos]

SilenceYourTongueAndWitness, on 10 May 2010 - 09:19 AM, said:

Silk, on 10 May 2010 - 09:04 AM, said:

Pethaps the reasoning is a simple as this:

In normal times Baudin woudl still eb the knight, however in case of Battle the Seguleh Second would be better as Knight than an assassin, purely from a acommand point of view

If your "knight" of high house death wouldn't be good for battle why would you put him as the knight lol, i dont think baudins skills are in question here just wether or not he was ACTUALLY stated to be the knight or if thats whats been assumed and he's been the soldier all along

maybe being a knight of a certain house doesn't neccesarily refers to swordsmanship, but the championing of a cause ?
the knights are those on the field doing battle against other knights ?

[haroos]

"We first learn of this position in MoI where he appears as a (dead?) soldier from the Panion Domin with swords fused in his hands. He helps intern the Mhybe"

don't the books moi and deadhoue gate run parallel to each other ?

[MTS]

There is overlap, but I think MoI finishes later. D'rek would be the best person to ask about this. Baudin dies in the middle of DG, and appears during the siege.

[Hood's Legacy]

MTS, on 10 May 2010 - 12:59 PM, said:

There is overlap, but I think MoI finishes later. D'rek would be the best person to ask about this. Baudin dies in the middle of DG, and appears during the siege.

Is there any definitive description/work on the Seguleh? They seem analogous to the Spartans. Totally dedeicated to martial prowess..Even give Dragnipurake pause.Damn!!!!! Seguleh seem humanoid, but are they really human?? So many questions unanswered, some help please.

[Eispeis]

Hood, on 12 May 2010 - 03:49 AM, said:

Seguleh seem humanoid, but are they really human?? So many questions unanswered, some help please.

They are human.

RotCG spoiler

Spoiler

Rell (Is that his name? The bad motherf**ker with the swords) is believed to be from Genebackis throughout much of the book, but turns out to be a runaway Seguleh

This post has been edited by Eispeis: 12 May 2010 - 07:23 AM

[Salt-Man Z]

That he was mistaken for a Genebackan isn't exactly hard evidence that he's not non-human.