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Mockra, on 10 May 2010 - 05:01 PM, said:
Korbas, on 10 May 2010 - 04:10 PM, said:
I guess it all comes down to whether or not we believe Liosan's reveal. Either he was scum and false revealed at the hammer to set up for the next day, or he revealed on the hammer because he didn't want the killers changing their target to him. I did say I was guarding him earlier, however I think it's entirely possible he could have missed this. Why?
-Liosan said he skimed thread
-If I remember right Mockra used this skimming against him in an argument
-Do you really think Liosan could have pulled off such a plan if he had just skimmed? I think he would have been picking every bit of information he could from the thread
The more I've thought about Liosan being scum the less sure I am. I think there's still a pretty big possibility, but I'm not 100% sure like I was before. Sure, Mockra made a pretty good case against him, however it's in Mockra's best interest to do so if he's scum - after all, he almost got speed lynched on Friday.
But yah, it's still up in the air for me. Today looks like it's either going to be a Liosan or Ampelas lynch, unless Osseric gets on to change his vote to Mockra (if we go that way). Have you reached a decision as to who you're going to vote for, Fener?
And Osseric, I'd rather get this game finished up today.
-Liosan said he skimed thread
-If I remember right Mockra used this skimming against him in an argument
-Do you really think Liosan could have pulled off such a plan if he had just skimmed? I think he would have been picking every bit of information he could from the thread
The more I've thought about Liosan being scum the less sure I am. I think there's still a pretty big possibility, but I'm not 100% sure like I was before. Sure, Mockra made a pretty good case against him, however it's in Mockra's best interest to do so if he's scum - after all, he almost got speed lynched on Friday.
But yah, it's still up in the air for me. Today looks like it's either going to be a Liosan or Ampelas lynch, unless Osseric gets on to change his vote to Mockra (if we go that way). Have you reached a decision as to who you're going to vote for, Fener?
And Osseric, I'd rather get this game finished up today.
The only difference is that, innos read the thread looking for potential slips from people so they can then understand if they are scum or not.
Scum read the thread for potential slips of people so they can bring confusion and cloud the thread, and drive us to wrong cases.In the dust, they reign.
Trouble is that I can say I skimmed the thread when it suits my purpose. Its up the the rest to believe me or not.
Liosans actions and reasoning has holes. Galain brought up 4 people in a list.His name as well. According to him, he would have benefited as much from killing Galain, as would the other 3. How did he come up to the conclusion that killing Galain was something done by my hand? What about the other two names in there? And mind you, that was his reasoning before he tried to drive a speed lynch on my ass.
Didn't bother to think who the other killer might be? Did not understand that if we lynch wrong, we lose the game? These are questions that team inno tries to find out, at all possible costs.
Who could be his partners? Could be Osseric for defending him, it could be Ampelas for distancing from him. I am not sure who it is. Trouble is , there aren't too much evidence to distinguise who among these two could be his partner. And we can't lynch one of these two right now because there's still a chance we might land wrong.
As far as the comment about the case I made, again, this is not something I pulled out of my ass, or out of thin air. Its things that Liosan -did- and -posted- in this thread that point to him at this point. Not my words. His actions.
Again, look at your question here:
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-Do you really think Liosan could have pulled off such a plan if he had just skimmed? I think he would have been picking every bit of information he could from the thread
And try to answer it.
Liosan says he's innocent and also says he skimmed the thread. If he skimmed the thread, how come he 'remembers' a Galain list with Mockras name in it, while conviniently forgetting that his is inside it as well, along with 2 more names - Fener and Ampelas.
Liosan also skimmes the thread missing the D'riss VS Mockra pissing contest, and the entire case Korbas makes against D'riss, about him guarding it. He also skimms a significant volume of Korbas posts stating clearly Liosan is under surveilance and will be guarded.
And then Liosan drives a speed lynch against me with his reasoning that I would benefit the most from getting rid of Galain with a NK. While never crossing his mind that the killers could be Fener and Ampelas in our scenario (again, regardless of the outcome of that effort, we're going with evidence we have before that)
In Mockras Purple World, 'healers' who try to heal someone , when they know that they are under guard, and then grand reveal saying they played it tricky and 'healed' him again are called Liars.
Mockra congratuations. You deserve to win this game. Your logic is very impeccable. As a vertern of this game you may underestimate how overwhelming the shear quantity of information that is thrown out there on the thread. If I tried to take in everything I quickly become overwhelmed and lost. I find it easiest to read the content and then focus on one thing that catches my eye and play it to the end. Your attacks on Galain drew my attention to you on day one. I thought because of your aggressive tatics the you might be dangerous to have around for the killers so I decided that you needed healing that first night. I stayed focus on your name after that. After the comments made by Galain that you were number one on his suspect list I asked Galain why he thought that. At that point I thought the near speed lynch on Galain was very suspect but the fact that he survived it and named 4 suspects which is a good third+ of the total number of players I thought that he was in a lot of trouble. The fact that all 4 of those people that he listed are still in the game makes the probabilty that both killers in that list at 66%. (for those of you bad with math 4players out of 6total players) It also forced me to believe that your aggressive playing wasn't a danger to a killer if you might be a killer yourself. The fact that Fener should now be PId by everyone now leads me to believe that the two killers must be either Mockra, Ampelas or myself. After your attack on me I decided that you were a killer and worked out my reveal. That could be why I missed out on your pissing match with D'riss and the fact that Korbas put a guard on me because I was more interested in getting you out.
