[Nicodimas]

I LOL'ed at this...Shows how crazy we are at times of people. See here lies to the key's to victory. When we are still here in 30-40 years I wonder what version they will be on as this shows V.3. Good stuff and I hope you all can enjoy this. Now imagine all levels of higher leadership < in all countries> being show similar graphs for well everything........

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Its coloured charts, graphs and bullet-points are supposed to make the most incomprehensible data crystal clear.

But even the sharpest military minds in American were left baffled by this PowerPoint slide, a mind-boggling attempt to explain the situation in Afghanistan.

'When we understand that slide, we'll have won the war,' General Stanley McChrystal, the US and NATO force commander, remarked wryly when confronted by the sprawling spaghetti diagram in a briefing.

http://www.dailymail...oint-slide.html

This post has been edited by Nicodimas: 28 April 2010 - 08:30 PM

[Jusentantaka]

Well fuck. Its like Where's Waldo in a technicolor dreamhat.

[Tapper]

I think this chart was made by Al-Qaeda.

[Obdigore]

Fake.

Take a look at how some of the 'Main' topics remove sections of words from the 'smaller' topics.

Ex:

ANSF Institutional
removes
ANSF something something to the right of the main topic.

Some basement dweller made this in his ... basement.

For UKers, isn't the 'Daily Mail' the trash rag that runs stories about 'Bat Boy' and stuff?

[Aptorian]

Solution:

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EDIT: The only way to win the game is to not play.

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 28 April 2010 - 09:24 PM

[Silannah]

Wouldn't blowing up all of Afghanistan merely add MORE instability to that part of the world, but not in a political/religious/cultural/etc. way?

[amphibian]

 Obdigore, on 28 April 2010 - 09:08 PM, said:

Fake.

Take a look at how some of the 'Main' topics remove sections of words from the 'smaller' topics.

The slide made it to the NY Times story on the topic. I'm pretty sure it's real.

However, it accomplishes exactly the point it was intended to do: show you how complex "victory in Afghanistan" is (according to how they frame the problem). The slide was intended to be very, very complex and essentially unreadable, but also truthful if you examine it it in detail. The nameless presenter who made this has a wry sense of humor.

[Adjutant Stormy~]

I'm not really sure this sort of thing is something that anyone, sans a sorta life's-work type effort, could reasonably produce. This is either thinktank bilgewater or some faux-schematic.

[Goaswerfraiejen]

A slide like this was ridiculed on either the Daily Show or Colbert a while ago. Pretty sure it's real. Or close enough.

Simplistic answer: torch all the poppy fields in an all-out offensive. Then compensate the farmers--give them free money for the first few years, then subsidize their growth of other crops. Or something of the sort. The point is that the funding issue is a very serious problem, and it's not one that can be dealt with piecemeal, as we have been doing. It's even more serious because something like a minimum of 40% of the Afghan police force is composed of opiate addicts, which results in the population fearing them as much as the Taliban. That is a huge problem. We've spent years doing this, and have only made minimal progress, especially long-term. Also: get rid of Karzai.

[Jusentantaka]

Or, we could stop doing what has pissed off a sizable portion of the locals for the past 8 years and leave their fields alone, because we are incapable (in the physical, real world sense, rather than the incompetent sense, for once) of snapping our fingers and making the opium growth problem go away. Instead, lets buy their crop straight up, same as the Taliban does. The farmers earn about $500 for an amount of Opium which in the US equates to ~$200,000 in Heroin. Lets pay them twice what the Taliban pays. Three times. four? five? We'll still come out on top next to the expense of overhauling the country's agriculture, and all of the world uses opiates in medicine, and it will be a lot less of a strain in every way to tell the farmers in the US and France and the rest of the west, where Big Pharma pays out the ass* to grow all their medicinally-destined opium (under constraints which fuck the farmers growing them, drive up costs to the consumers and generate a stupid amount of bureaucratic bullshit) to grow something else.



yeah, ok, I mostly stole the Senlis thinktank idea, but its a good one.


*relatively out the ass, at least. Its a lot more expensive than it should be.

This post has been edited by Jusentantaka: 29 April 2010 - 04:40 AM

[Gothos]

I like the nuking idea. But only if we could make nukes only kill douchebags.

[Aptorian]

Genetic weapons you say...

[Cause]

But is their a douchebag gene?

[Garak]

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I like the nuking idea. But only if we could make nukes only kill douchebags.

Then we better carpet bomb the Earth with that weapon. It might improve things.

[Cougar]

Forum membership would suffer

[Gothos]

You would be missed, Cougar.

[McLovin]

My question is how much was this consultant paid (with my tax dollars, no less ) for producing this Jackson-Pollack-meets-critical-path-analysis nightmare?

[Adjutant Stormy~]

Trying to analyze this diagram in a meaningful fashoin is an exercise is graph-theory hell.

[Jusentantaka]

 Adjutant Stormy, on 29 April 2010 - 07:11 PM, said:

Trying to analyze this diagram in a meaningful fashoin is an exercise is graph-theory hell.

No its not. The diagram says 'replace the government we put in place with one that isn't useless, corrupt and incompetent'

[Soulessdreamer]

Nukes!

What is this hard on people have for nukes?

Unless you intenionally want to render an area uninhabitable for years or make crazy glass sculptures out of desert sand they are not what you need.

Enhanced radiation devices(nutron bomb), thermobaric warheads (Feul Air Explosives), chemical or biological weapons can all do the same thing at a fraction of the cost and then you can use the land within a few days to weeks.

As to Afganastan, take half the money your wasting on security forces and bullshit and out bid the fucking terrorists for the poppies and you have happy farmers and broke arse jihadists. Win win.

Oh and educate the younger generations so they can see for themsleves what fucktards there olds are.

TTFN

This post has been edited by Soulessdreamer: 03 May 2010 - 10:52 AM