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Gamelon/dktorode was getting a bit obvious with his "who are your suspects?" "Spite and Sorrit" "err, besides them?" posts.

He started to get on my radar, plus he's not playing like inno-dktorode (lack of susceptibility when I tried to annoy him), but going down like I was for no reason I could see, I couldn't start accusing everyone, that would have been both useless and counter-productive (it would have sounded like a symp going down and crapping all over the thread). I tried to keep it simple and focused, but let's see if anyone goes back to my posts.

The symps will just argue I was a symp and the rest will follow

[Jump Around]

And Gavin, I had your scummy ass on my plate from day 1. It reeked, I say. Send flowers to the volcano gods for distracting me.

[Jump Around]

Tapper, on 21 April 2010 - 04:41 PM, said:

Nah, they'll ignore it till the last the day, then come to their senses and claim it was all their own idea
Awesome to have you back and playing, JA.

Happy to be back, although my new job doesn't make it as easy as my last one, hence my moments of not being around.

I hope all is good for you after your last modkill request.

[Jump Around]

I'm impressed with Edrigan.

For a first game, I like it a lot. Posts a lot, says his thing, doesn't take things personally and makes sense. His infamous "number" posts are not wrong, it's just that they are... moot.

But that's a detail, I hope he has fun because I think he will be a good addition.

[Tapper]

Aye, he's doing great.

I also finished the final version of Spycraft 2.0. It is awesome. And glorious. And likely to cause me a few heartattacks while modding, too.

[Path-Shaper]

PB here for a little bit... busy meetings all morning.

I'll mod for a bit.

For JA, sorry about your lynch dude. It was totally my fault because I accidentally posted to the wrong spot and I thought you were a symp, but The Dude only caught the part where I defended you, not the part where I said Spite was the master.

[Path-Shaper]

If Obdi doesn't have a HHM card, I totally nominate him for Fisherman because that dude fishes for info from mods more than anyone!

Liosan, on 21 April 2010 - 04:15 PM, said:

Will the CF say anything like 'traitor' when/if we get a traitor, or are we just in the dark until the game ends?

Path-Shaper, on 21 April 2010 - 07:37 PM, said:

Can't really tell you about the CFs, you'll just have to see what happens!

-pb

Vengey doesn't realize Korbas is also on his team. I don't know what the Obdi comment is about, I'm not caught up on the game yet.

Tulas Shorn, on 21 April 2010 - 05:35 PM, said:

I would like to point out that nobody is mentioning spite.
Also the way that they are Turing on korbas is beautiful to behold.

I hope that spite targets korv or eloth tonight. Obdiliosan can live for another couple of days and perhaps draw another night heal.

The killers conspire. Gavin might pick a good target in Liosan.

Spite, on 21 April 2010 - 03:40 AM, said:

Sorry meeting at work that dragged on for hours.

I thought Eloth was being fairly useful in following/leading in the D'riss thing as well.

Sorrit seems a very likely symp, he seemed to spin things my way there to clear my name a little.
Korv maybe just going with the flow.

I'm happy for any of your list at this point really. Karosis or Liosan seems ok to me, they haven't struck me as sympish at least.

Then he second-guesses himself and looks at the less-important Galain.

Spite, on 21 April 2010 - 09:07 AM, said:

I'm also not feeling the love from HP and Galain. In fact they are starting to annoy me, Galain especially so. Trouble is killing one might lead people back to me...

Thoughts?

They both wish they had gotten a better glimpse of my oopsie post.

Spite, on 21 April 2010 - 09:14 AM, said:

Also, D'riss read the post and I suspect he knows we're both scum. What did the post say? Did it list us both?

Korbas, on 21 April 2010 - 01:58 PM, said:

No, it said pretty much exactly what I stated in thread. I'm probably a symp for deflecting and all. It might've said deflecting from you. I told the truth when I said I just skimmed it. If he hadn't edited I would've read it again after my first response

Ahh.. the subtleties of symphood are great. Obviously I was trying to make it clear which team I was on while also fake-symping someone else that may have been on my team.

Korbas, on 21 April 2010 - 02:01 PM, said:

The thing is though, Kesso specifically urged Sorrit to vote you. Either he was not a symp after all and all my assumptions were wrong, or he did some quite excellent deflecting. Either way making a defense based on that would not be too hard I think. As of now we don't want to give them more ammunition against you, and taking out one of your most vocal attackers might cause problems.

I just hope Sorrit isn't a symp.

Spite, on 21 April 2010 - 02:50 PM, said:

Well you might want to read the thread then, they are picking things apart and coming up with some conclusions that look pretty bad for us...

I suspect its going to be a short game

Spite, on 21 April 2010 - 03:30 PM, said:

Anyway, I am off to bed.. unfortunately we're not getting a lot of time on at the same time to plan which would be handy. What time zone are you in now Morgy? Are you no longer gaying up Oslo with your presence?

Finally, the killers clue in on a key piece of the puzzle. Remember, Drek's first YTR game had this very mechanic... a symp that only knew one of the scum masters.

Spite, on 21 April 2010 - 03:33 PM, said:

Btw, just curious, what are your thoughts about we have symps who only know one of us, but not both... Just thought i'd throw that out there as something to consider. Perhaps i'm just misreading things, but it sometimes seems like I am being defended a little by Gamelon, but he seems to be going after you...

Korbas, on 21 April 2010 - 04:29 PM, said:

Kessobahn didn't seem to know that I was a killer so it makes sense, annoying though it might be.


I'm in Chicago these days, thus the off posting times?

Whatever mixup occured with Liosan has given him some breathing room at the expense of the scum.

Korbas, on 21 April 2010 - 04:58 PM, said:

It does indeed look bleak. That guard especially fucked us over. Making us susceptible to something like that was a very strange move on D'rek's part. I assume we've got some roled symps at least.

What we're going to do now I have no idea. As of yet I've not seen anyone attack either of us directly, so either the guard is playing it smooth or he's yet to come online. If there's no player that hits us hard at any point I guess we must assume there's a healer around.

Also, that liosan cf didn't make things better. Now there's one CI in the game and we might not be able to risk hitting him in case of a healer.

Korbas, on 21 April 2010 - 05:15 PM, said:

Also, though he might've been a symp for all I know, it is very satisfying to see JA die before I do

Korbas, on 21 April 2010 - 06:11 PM, said:

Imagine PB and JA as our two symps. The thought makes me want to cry.

[Path-Shaper]

Shin is 100% correct in this assessment here.

Hood, on 21 April 2010 - 06:36 AM, said:

D'rek has made it clear that anyone abusing the post-editing will be modkilled, regardless of their role. The thing is, why edit out your personal thoughts to PS that you accidently put on thread, unless it has something "sensitive" in it? PB isn't one to panic over comments like "I think so-and-so might be a symp".

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- We need to lynch every day, no matter what odds we have and whether the WCS says we will lose at day 6 or something. There's a CF, who cares about the rest?

QFT

I may have messed up my posting, but if I were inno, I may have basically given away my suspect list, or if roled, maybe an action plan or something. But I still would have been better served staying in the game and taking a NK than editing and getting modkilled. It's almost guaranteed I was scum.

[Path-Shaper]

Ding ding ding. Jump Around is genius.

Omtose, on 21 April 2010 - 07:14 AM, said:

Karosis, on 21 April 2010 - 06:54 AM, said:

That said, I hadn't considered Omtose's point that PB might have been a finder who knew Omtose was inno, which is a completely different way of looking at things. That said, I dont see why Kesso would get himself modkilled to hide that he was a finder. If he was a finder and in the smae position as him I would have seen if the rest of the players believed I wasn't trying some convoluted ploy, accept the NK and hopefully CI one person, rather than rob the innos of two players and a wasted day.

I actually thought of something else: maybe Kessobahn wrongly assumed I was a symp like him.

In that case, ironically, I think it turns my previous post around, and he agreed that my mistaken vote was a act of sympage, but then it would be most probably for Spite, not Sorrit. I didn't post anything else of value at that time.

Hmm.

[Path-Shaper]

Wow, is Ed going for Man of the Match in his first game? Look at the quality of his post! (He doesn't realize Tulas Shorn was also online lurking when I made the post, and he's wrong about one of the 5 listed being scum, but he's solid in all aspects).

D, on 21 April 2010 - 08:11 AM, said:

Well, I guess I'll go ahead and post...

It's not as if its already 10:51am here, and I'm on my 59thsomething hour without sleep... I still have some braincells factioning though and I wana get my vote in before I pass out from seer physical exhaustion.

About the 'Kesso Infamous Incident' there were 5 people online when it happened, that I can remember:
Kesso (obviously)
Korbas (Which casually danced around the subject , prefering to keep some distance while trying to focus me instead)
Sorrit (Which took it upon his shoulders to 'share' as much light about said edited post as possible, even resorting to 'a selfadmitted scum' accusations which of course haven't been backed up by anyone other than himself- after all all evidence has been edited.The only real backup Sorrit has is that Kessos reaction points to scum instead of inno, and he shouldn't need any quotes to get that point across to others)
Eloth (Which stated that hasn't been able to read the post prior to it being edited, again taken with a grain of salt)
And me (I've read the post, but decided not to act based on information that has been withheld from others via an edit.I could of course use it but I'm not sure it will pursuade anyone, after all it will be simply words I could easily be putting on Kessos mouth)


Taken into account, that Everyone lies, I will go ahead and say that
-I have a gut feeling that the Omtose CURRENT train contains one scum (Sorrit, Korva, HP, Alkend, Galain) based sorely on the fact that the case seems so bulletproof valid that it's actually scum heaven to ride it.
-I also have a gut feeling that there is another scum flying low under the radar trying to stay unnoticed.

Rereading posts, there are some people that have been able to spew mud freely around, while sustaining none thus far. Mainly Spite and Korbas, secondary TS, although the 2nd and 3rd have already voted, Spite made sure to remain outside of confrontations and will probably pop around at L-2 or Hammer.

EDIT: Does anyone know much time we've got until the day ends? (Now the sentence makes sence at least)

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Lol, considering we have no idea what Omtose is going to CF as, I don't think my suspicion out of place, considering Omtose is seemingly the only lynch candidate at this point. I'd rather get suspicion for calling out other suspicious shit than let scum run a game.

Galain, if Sorrit turns out to be a scum, who is currently running the game if not for scum themselves?

[Path-Shaper]

Vengy has a plan... I think.

Tulas Shorn, on 21 April 2010 - 08:07 PM, said:

The next couple of lynches are being set up nicely.
Out of the ashes..... Confusion rains...

Confusion called venge.....

Vengy says we have modkills coming up...

Tulas Shorn, on 21 April 2010 - 08:11 PM, said:

I would like to tell spite to kill korv. He won't be missed.... Eloth is setting himself up to be lynched tomorrow.


Also I believe that we have a couple more modkills coming up. Take a look at the bottom of the posters.

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I'll leave it to D'rek to make any modkill determination.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 21 April 2010 - 08:16 PM

[Path-Shaper]

For some reason, whoever resolved the night told Shin that BARGHAST was not a symp, but he clearly said he wanted to search Galain.

Both are not symps, but that looks like a moderator error.

I told him that Barghast should read Galain and that there was nothing to see here

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 21 April 2010 - 10:01 PM

[Path-Shaper]

GK is the latest townie to put it together... at least, half of it. How long until D'riss and Eloth and Sorrit and the other people who really figured it out solve the game?

Eloth, on 21 April 2010 - 11:32 PM, said:

I have a whacky idea and I want it stated for the record just in case my wild imagination has actually solved the game.

PB is scum in his edited post he gave something away probably a killers name,

Sorrit and Korbas are killers, as innos they are risking their lives by saying what they thought they read.

Omtose being killer is crap cf proves it.

So Sorrit either misread or he lying through his teeth. It gutsy if he inno or scum.

So sorrit looks likes he lying, if Korbas wheels on to him and gets him lynched, and Sorrit is Lui Bei or whatever Korbas is pushing himself to innocent practically.

Of course this only works out if Korbas goes against Sorrit and Sorrit then cfs as scum.

And PB I guess your pissing yourself with laughter at reading my logic.

Shin finally hits a scum... oh but too bad, it's one of the leaders. The power will not show the truth.

Hood, on 21 April 2010 - 11:49 PM, said:

Find on Korbas

if lynched

find on Eloth

Shin's way off in his guesses.

Hood, on 21 April 2010 - 11:58 PM, said:

Thoughts:

Gut tells me Korv is scum, more likely killer than symp.

It's time to start looking for people who are attempting to shape the game, rather than just push their ideas. Today, methinks, will be a day scum will feel the need to contribute even if they've been in the woodwork until now.

I don't know what to make of Korbas and Sorrit. Neither is more suspicious than the other. I'd do a find on them, but I'd rather see how the day plays out first since they'll be under some pressure anyways.

The bad guys talk it over... symp guesses are pretty good, the kill will do no real harm to the town.

Spite, on 22 April 2010 - 12:02 AM, said:

So no kill? Well damn, not sure if Liosan was Healed or we were Guarded unfortunately.
I would not be surprised if one of us were Guarded, our names are floating around far too much at this point for my liking.

Pretty sure JA wasn't a symp, he'd fight more i'm sure.

Any thoughts on who are symps are? I'm saying Sorrit at this point for sure, he defends me every chance he gets.

Not sure who else. It was probably Ampelas and Kesso...

Korbas, on 22 April 2010 - 01:41 AM, said:

Tulas is also an alternative I think

Korbas, on 22 April 2010 - 01:44 AM, said:

I suggest we kill Karosis this time around btb. Original gut feeling and all that, I think he's hiding something.

Spite, on 22 April 2010 - 02:14 AM, said:

I'm happy with a Karosis kill as well.

[Path-Shaper]

Path-Shaper, on 21 April 2010 - 09:43 PM, said:

For some reason, whoever resolved the night told Shin that BARGHAST was not a symp, but he clearly said he wanted to search Galain.

Both are not symps, but that looks like a moderator error.

I told him that Barghast should read Galain and that there was nothing to see here

Further proof that I should never resolve nights when it is early in the morning. I copy+pasted my message from the night 1 result and forgot to change the name to Galain.

-D'rek

[Path-Shaper]

Last-post times (in PS time zone):

Alkend, -> 21, 9am
Barghast -> 20, 2:43am
Karatallid -> 21, 7:44am
Sukul Ankhad, -> 19, 7:11am

So Sukul and Barghast will be modkilled at the end of the day.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 22 April 2010 - 02:45 AM

[Path-Shaper]

The killers settle on Karosis. Alas poor alt... he gets killed all the time in games.

Korbas, on 22 April 2010 - 03:13 AM, said:

karosis

[Path-Shaper]

Right now, the killers are in trouble due to Obdi likely testing the guard again.

I'm shocked Sorrit isn't taking better advantage of this lull in voting to try and make a good case, because right now, it sort of feels like he's going to end up getting lynched because nobody else has a better plan.

Then again, this is The Dude we're talking about, and he has never been lynched other than the Nightwatch game, which doesn't count thanks to its screwy lynch mechanics.

-pb

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 22 April 2010 - 04:16 AM

[Path-Shaper]

Shin has a weird message. I have no idea what it means, but he's mixing up scum symps and killers right now (Korbas/Gamelon).

Hood, on 22 April 2010 - 09:09 AM, said:

alt guess!

Spite.

(see what i did there?)


And Gam is my second choice for SCUMMY SCUM SCUM of the Killer Kind.

However, he does make a slightly better action, although right now, there isn't anything CLOSE to a lynch and the players are under 5 hours.

Hood, on 22 April 2010 - 09:12 AM, said:

Ok, change. Sorrit was the pusher yesterday, could just be buying time for the masters.

Find on Sorrit.

if lynched

Find on Gamelon.

Ed'riss reveals that he hasn't even read my famous missing post, and is using that information to try and get the scum to make a mistake. Very cagey of him! Now he wants to use that lie in a fake reveal to potentially get Korbas lynched with an otherwise solid case (Korbas kept his D'riss vote after "the post"). It could lead to a very short game for the scum.

D, on 22 April 2010 - 09:58 AM, said:

D'Rek , I don't know if you are here, but I kinda need your help:::


I've decided to take a gambit by saying I've read Kessos post, which I haven't.
I remember the people online though, so I tried to say as much as I could without giving out any hints that would reveale if I've actually read the post or not. I'm trying this for two reasons:

1) First of all I want to survive (I probably made it past the initial days because apparently other people slipped more than I did, thanks PB ) and help my team to win

2) If there are any scum included in this whole fiasko (which I suspect are) I can keep them at check by running wild over the thread putting words into Kessos mouth and possibly confusing others from their real targets.


Now, my dilema is this: I've been reading stuff recently trying to build a case, and I was about to post this :


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I will give you a hint though:

-Omtose takes a shot at Spite but votes Sorrit.

-Sorrit calls him out for sake signaling/fake sympage.(post 209)

-Kesso makes a few posts commening me, Eloth agrees with that.

*** Post 219: This is the FIRST person that arrives in Omtoses defence.If that is not an symp attempt, then honestly I don't know what it is.

*** Post 220: Sorrit gives some reasoning behind him calling out Omtose.

*** Post 221: Infamous Kesso Edited Post.


Now trying to analise the Omtose Bandwagon, there are names in there that are also involved into the Omtose-Sorrit-Spite-Kesso insident.Korbas who was the poster in 219, keeps his vote on me - since symps know their master, he realises his master is well hidden within the Omtose train, and makes no further attempts to derail people from it.

This is one of the things that was included in Kessos edited post.

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It's something I was thinking, and a conclusion I came when I reread the posts and the replies between Kesso and Korbas, before Kesso was modkilled.Now, while I think Kesso might have pointed out something like that, still the structure of my post makes it seem as if it was INDEED something that he posted, and not something I came out with.

I am not aware if I am allowed to use this 'hidden card' per se, in order to build cases, and make them more believable, because it might be considered meta since I'm claiming things that aren't actually in the thread anymore.

Is such a move against the rules or not?

Path-Shaper, on 22 April 2010 - 03:09 PM, said:

As a general rule, meta play "restrictions" are limited only to discussing why a certain player made a certain move based upon moves that player has made in the past. For example, "In the last game, PB fake-revealed when he was scum. In this game, he revealed before he died. I think that it was a fake reveal."

However, the rule is usually fairly relaxed, as long as it's not the sole reason you use to make points or drive cases.

In case you hadn't noticed, what was in "the post" is pretty much what has driven the last two days of discussion. So by MY estimation, you're welcome to fake reveal anything you want about seeing it.

You aren't allowed to do stuff like quote PM chats between you and the moderator (me), but that's a private discussion. Once it's on the main thread, it's fair game, even if it gets altered or whatnot.

So I'm pretty sure it's fully legal for you to do.

-pb

Alas for Vengey, he doesn't realize Obdi already has Spite's number.

Gamelon, on 21 April 2010 - 12:35 PM, said:

small scare their with sorrit/spite mix up and spite getting pulled into the mix because of a alt mix up.
but thank you kessoh for completely over shadowing that...

Im just cruising really.... just trying to keep people thinking about anything BUT spite.

Gamelon, on 21 April 2010 - 12:38 PM, said:

Everytime i post here, i always get this...."oh shit" feeling.
wondering if this is in fact the spoilers im actually sending to or if i mistakenly posted on thread.
the two look so similar.

I feel for PB as its so much easier to get mixed up than what it used to be.

Gamelon, on 22 April 2010 - 10:26 AM, said:

HP just made a semi case and vote on Spite.
Just going to ignore it as its a nothing case and spite should be able to defend himself rather easily.

Dont want to draw any more attention to him by defending or comenting on the case.

Morgy feels like he is doing a lot of the work.

Korbas, on 22 April 2010 - 02:58 PM, said:

Huh.. how often do we see a killer as the second highest poster? I'm having fun this game though I would like to see more activity from the guys who don't need to be careful about what they say.


also @PS, what happens to Sukul? Is there an extension?

[Path-Shaper]

Shin second guesses himself and now has Tulas as the back up (instead of Gamelon). Either one would return the same symp result

Hood, on 22 April 2010 - 03:10 PM, said:

Slight change:

Find on Sorrit

if lynched

Find on Tulas Shorn

[Path-Shaper]

Gavin expresses his distress over the non-entities in the game.

Spite, on 22 April 2010 - 03:26 PM, said:

The trouble with all this activity means we only got a few people to look at, and its making that Guard a whole lot more powerful. I'm expecting another Guard on us tonight to be honest. I hope they brought the Heal thing.

Korbas.. should I remove my vote from Karatallid.. i'm about to go to bed... there's no chance of a lynch at this point i'd say.