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Mafia 61 Spoilers The Rot3K Conspiracy

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 11:23 AM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 20 April 2010 - 09:28 AM, said:

Resolved day & night - Tapper


Thank you very very very much!
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 04:55 PM

Hood, on 20 April 2010 - 11:06 AM, said:

Ton of time left, but 0 nights tend to make me nervous so I'll put in an early prov:


Find Korvalain

if lynched

Find Gamelon


Noted

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D, on 20 April 2010 - 08:08 AM, said:

Another question!! :D

Karosis post said that 'day has officialy timed out' , he probably got that from the post timers.

When something like that happens, are we supposed to stop posting, since we have 0 hour nights and simply wait for you to come in the thread and resolve night actions - or are we allowed to squeeze in posts until a mod pops in to tell us what happens?

In case of the first one, I'm sorry , I think I got a couple posts after that, hope it doesn't complicate things too much :S


When day times out (which occurs based on the timers if there's no lynch, regardless of whether a mod is around or not) then night is immediately on, even though you may have to wait a while for a mod to come make it official. So once day has timed out you can no longer vote and in this game night actions can no longer be submitted (because the nights are 0-hours long). Usually the next day's timer won't start until the mod gets back to officially resolve the previous day, though.

D, on 20 April 2010 - 03:22 PM, said:

Woa, it seems I've kicked the hornets nest or perhaps said something I shouldn't!
Was a bit confused there, even though I've read everything at least twice to make sure I got things right.

As far as the numbers though, I think they're accurate, I've used examples from mafiascum.net in the past and it didn't cause such a ruckus... Wonder why.


You probably just need to state more clearly that the numbers were from there and post a link or some such.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 05:10 PM

Aww, sorry PB but you slipped up and I'm going to have to modkill you!

It wouldn't be so bad if only innos had seen, but Korbas saw and he is Jian Yong, and the two killers finding out one of their symps is definitely an unfair advantage.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 05:35 PM

View PostTapper, on 19 April 2010 - 07:36 PM, said:


I'm pretty certain that if Jusen likes the game, we have someone mouthing off Dkt and Obdi at every turn... she'd be another person I lose every pissing match against. As if dkt wasn't enough...



I would have been on/posting more, but I got one of those big bad doctor needles up in my arm the day we started and feelin like shit was the suck. And granny titties don't get the juices flowing like they used to.

Fucking Norsevegians....
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 05:52 PM

View PostJusentantaka, on 20 April 2010 - 05:35 PM, said:

View PostTapper, on 19 April 2010 - 07:36 PM, said:


I'm pretty certain that if Jusen likes the game, we have someone mouthing off Dkt and Obdi at every turn... she'd be another person I lose every pissing match against. As if dkt wasn't enough...



I would have been on/posting more, but I got one of those big bad doctor needles up in my arm the day we started and feelin like shit was the suck. And granny titties don't get the juices flowing like they used to.

Fucking Norsevegians....


gross
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 05:58 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 20 April 2010 - 05:10 PM, said:

Aww, sorry PB but you slipped up and I'm going to have to modkill you!

It wouldn't be so bad if only innos had seen, but Korbas saw and he is Jian Yong, and the two killers finding out one of their symps is definitely an unfair advantage.


Yep, totally understand. That was a huge mistake. I'm so damn careful with these things but I've been really distracted the last couple of days. Found out Sunday night that my babysitter's daughter was killed by a drunk driver and she's (clearly) really upset about it and can't watch our daughter for a little while. I totally feel for the lady, it's heartbreaking. But the fallout is that I've had to scramble to find a new temporary sitter and it's completely screwed up my normal routine, so I'm not surprised I screwed up and posted that to the wrong location.

I'm glad that Korbas is on the team and saw it. I should have picked up on him being a scum when he said he didn't see anything 'incriminating' or whatever it was, but Sorrit is clearly dangerous with that info. I hope he dies tonight.

Anyway, just glad I didn't screw up the game (Omtose not a symp after all), was really facepalming hard at that.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 06:08 PM

Simple setup, but a great matchup. Obdi leading the town is beastly, that dude is hard to freaking lynch. And Shin? He still has never been lynched without some kind of finder reveal (real or fake). Then you got Morgy and Gavin heading team scum with Vengy as a symp? That's very impressive, and DKT will only add to the confusion in the game.

Too bad I messed up. But I think it keeps the numbers fairly even. But Sorrit's gotta go, that's fo' sho'.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 06:12 PM

Although I do admit that The Dude is latching onto my logic. He clearly missed the part where I said it looked like he was symping Spite, and is focusing on the part where I was giving Omtose a golden ticket.

I suspect JA will be quite upset with me if he gets lynched because of that because I'm pretty sure I got him lynched in spectacular fashion in your LAST game, D'rek, by fake-revealing on his ass. Ah, that was an MVP-worthy game... considering my first YTR game I took a premature victory lap and promptly lost and then the next one I broke by exploiting the duel mechanic, I dunno what it is about your games that makes me either have an outstanding showing or a horrible mistake :D
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 06:27 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 20 April 2010 - 11:23 AM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 20 April 2010 - 09:28 AM, said:

Resolved day & night - Tapper


Thank you very very very much!

yw :D

@ Jusen: can't agree more on the norwegian front :p :D at Morgy; as for more posting, next time :D
@ PB: that's a pretty convincing reason to get posting boxes wrong. Sucks big time, man.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 07:59 PM

View PostPeanutbutta, on 20 April 2010 - 05:58 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 20 April 2010 - 05:10 PM, said:

Aww, sorry PB but you slipped up and I'm going to have to modkill you!

It wouldn't be so bad if only innos had seen, but Korbas saw and he is Jian Yong, and the two killers finding out one of their symps is definitely an unfair advantage.


Yep, totally understand. That was a huge mistake. I'm so damn careful with these things but I've been really distracted the last couple of days. Found out Sunday night that my babysitter's daughter was killed by a drunk driver and she's (clearly) really upset about it and can't watch our daughter for a little while. I totally feel for the lady, it's heartbreaking. But the fallout is that I've had to scramble to find a new temporary sitter and it's completely screwed up my normal routine, so I'm not surprised I screwed up and posted that to the wrong location.

I'm glad that Korbas is on the team and saw it. I should have picked up on him being a scum when he said he didn't see anything 'incriminating' or whatever it was, but Sorrit is clearly dangerous with that info. I hope he dies tonight.

Anyway, just glad I didn't screw up the game (Omtose not a symp after all), was really facepalming hard at that.


Dont you hate how its the troublesome times that screw up people in mafia? If anything those are the times when I need mafia the MOST!!!


and a PM from Ed:

D, on 20 April 2010 - 06:21 PM, said:

Wow, now I secondguess myself here.
I used to be a math genius, I guess age starts taking its toll.

Now before I post another blobber:

Lets just say we have 2 scums and 3 symps and are all alive, town loses when there are 8 players left, by scum majority. Did I get AT LEAST that right? Posted Image


PS: Hope I'm not ruining the game, I'm quite good at figuring people out in real life Mafia, this requires a different approach.


Your scenario -> yes scum would win then.

Getting people riled up on thread is the opposite of ruining the game - its what mafia is all about!
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 08:09 PM

Sorry bout the modkill request, guy got shot at work (DOA) and theres been a real panic with the people that live in the community I work at. 68 yr old man shoots a 75 yr old man for diving his golf cart in the street. Fucked up. Anyway, work became outrageously difficult, and I can no longer speak to the people face to face (due to liability issues, company doesnt want me to get shot, my job is to piss people off...) so therefore more work, less time. Anyway, sorry. But it will all work out in the end. Or not, either way, I'll be back to my old pissy grumpy self eventually. Sorry bout your sitter issues PB. Good luck with that. LAter.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 08:31 PM

Wow, Bent, looks like things are stormclouds and thunderstorms over there with you, too. Best of luck, man.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 08:49 PM

View PostBent, on 20 April 2010 - 08:09 PM, said:

Sorry bout the modkill request, guy got shot at work (DOA) and theres been a real panic with the people that live in the community I work at. 68 yr old man shoots a 75 yr old man for diving his golf cart in the street. Fucked up. Anyway, work became outrageously difficult, and I can no longer speak to the people face to face (due to liability issues, company doesnt want me to get shot, my job is to piss people off...) so therefore more work, less time. Anyway, sorry. But it will all work out in the end. Or not, either way, I'll be back to my old pissy grumpy self eventually. Sorry bout your sitter issues PB. Good luck with that. LAter.

Ouch, good luck, man.

Seems we have more than our share of fucked up situations now and in the past month :D
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 09:25 PM

This is an interesting case by DKT.

View PostTulas Shorn, on 20 April 2010 - 08:42 PM, said:

Ok I'm back and what busy day 2.

I don't trust D'riss. I would be happy to vote for him if Kesso hadn't exploded. But since he and it looks like a symp covering for his killer. I have to leave D'riss alone for now.


Right now I don't know whether to vote for Omtose, Sorrit, or Spite. There is a lot of WIFOM going on right now.

Sorrit is a cool player who if scum could be using an innocent mistake to PI himself. Something that we have seen happen before. Could have been the player who was being signaled.

Omtose could have been signaling either Sorrit or Spite or making a simple mistake and confusing the "S" names.

Spite could have been one of the one being signaled, or his lack of care could have been because there wasn't a vote on him so he didn't care.

I am more tempted to take out the player who could be scum possibly trying to PI himself then either one of the other two. As I would rather lynch scum then a possible symp.

Vote Sorrit


For now. I will be back on before the end of day.

There are other decent lynch options today, namely D'riss, but here he's pushing back against the Omtose case... perhaps in an effort to fake-symp Omtose some more and get him lynched, while also signaling that he's a real symp? It could invite a lynch against himself, but I think it could parlay itself into a great move after JA comes up inno. It puts real pressure on Sorrit for possibly hiding information and trying to get someone else lynched along with with my modkill.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 09:29 PM

Leave it to dkt to try and wrench his way around infoes and mod actions. He's very good at exploiting that, probably the best of all of us. It's quite the skill, even though it drives me nuts (and makes me worry loads for Spycraft). That, and being on the short end in every pissing contest I enter with the man.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 09:59 PM

PB here, stewarding Path-Shaper for a little bit.

Ed'riss is doing anything he can to not get lynched off so early. I tell you, man, those damned statistics piss people off every game I do it, I feel for the guy.

D, on 20 April 2010 - 08:04 PM, said:

Ok, cool, just making sure I'm playing by the rules, is all.


I'm about to post a Block-of-text - Dunno what kind of reactions it will cause, but I've already sliced up my wrists and I'm inside the ocean with fins of great white sharks in vewing distance - might as well end it, instead of being the 'No 1 lynch canditade' every day!

Path-Shaper, on 20 April 2010 - 09:47 PM, said:

Good luck to you :D Just remember that sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you.


DKT proves that it was a calculated move to get Omtose lynched. He's gambling with information here, but it's a good gamble. In Mafia, all you can really use is what you know for sure, and DKT doesn't know if Omtose is on the team. Better to let him take the fall than Spite.

Tulas Shorn, on 20 April 2010 - 08:46 PM, said:

Ok so I just laid down a vote on Sorrit. If Omtose is a fucking symp then he did a total cluster fuck on the whole lets quote spite and vote for sorrit deal. Really retarded move.

However by voting for Sorrit I can now be called a symp for Omtose. Which I am fine with. If a Omtose lynch goes through then I am going to hammer him. If he is scum and Kesso was his symp then oh well. The only one that I can try to protect is Spite as he is the only one that I know for sure.


Sucks about that mistake PB. Shit happens.

Path-Shaper, on 20 April 2010 - 09:50 PM, said:

Obviously I can't give you any details on what was said or why, but I will say that it's been a really rough couple of days with a personal issue (details in SH), and that's what caused the mistake in the first place.

Good luck with your plan.

-pb


The bad guys™ talk over my facepalm post, and other plans. How callous they are toward Jusen =(

Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 02:06 PM, said:

Kaschan made a serious vote on you, so I guess we can assume he's not our symp. Who was it that jumped in directly and voted for Kaschan following? That could be on of ours.

Also, I feel proud having taken out Jusen. It warms my cold, dead heart.


Morgoth remembered enough of the post to know what happened.

Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:31 PM, said:

Ok... what the hell happened with Kesso?

Shit shit.. I shouldn't have skimmed his post obviously.


wait wait wait. I remember something. He wrote fellow member of scum! AHAH! The moron is a scum and thought he sent a pm. Jeez. well at least we know he's a symp

Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:33 PM, said:

not that it matters as he's off the lynch now. Well I'll try to make it harder. If nothign else, Sorrit saw it too so it's not too unfair :D

Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:37 PM, said:

I know the smart thing would be to not let D'rek know I caught it, but I feel that would be cheating. So yeah, D'rek, at least you know to what extent it was picked up on.

Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:39 PM, said:

And for the record:

Kesso, you tit!

Path-Shaper, on 20 April 2010 - 04:41 PM, said:

Tapper here, I am not going to make any statements except asking D'rek to look into it, if she hasn't done so already.

Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:44 PM, said:

Thanks. Fucking hell, I seriously hope Bent wasn't a symp too.


Well, nothing like a challenge I guess.


Morgy panicks thinking he's lost 2 symps already due to the setup clue. He doesn't know that multiple players have the same role-descriptor yet.

Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 04:55 PM, said:

wait wait wait.. Why the fuck wouldn't Kesso know that I'm a killer? You've got to be kidding me. Are the symps weakened too? Man, we need to have like 15 symps this game. Or perhaps I'm completely off it and the whole game breaking thing was something else altogether.


Bah, I'm off for a while.

Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 08:29 PM, said:

I did another quick read of the OP..

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In great excitement Liu Bei fetched a length of white silk and wrote his name at the head. Jian Yong added his, and suggested his trusted friend General ______ would surely be willing to make cause with them. Liu Bei also proposed his trusted friends Commandant _______ and Counselor _______. At the moment a servant announced all three officials had arrived in quick succession. "Thus Heavan aids us!" Liu Bei exclaimed and sent for the three. Each eagerly added his own name to the pledge.



PB is the Commandant as specified by his CF. Now, there might be several Commandants and all, but this CF leaves me cold:

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Ampelas (Jusentantanka) is dead. She was Zhang He, General of the Flying Cavalry.


Might we be short two out of three symps already? That would be absolutely disastrous. With 17 players we need to get rid of another 11 without losing any of ours.

Mind you, from wikipedia Zhang He hardly seems a likely symp but I'm sceptical as to how much importance we should place in historical accuracy.

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Anomandaris (Bent) has killed himself. He was Che Zhou, Inspector of Xuzhou.


At least Bent doesn't fit any of the symp descriptions.



And in the end, he isn't sure what to think, but feels like he's probably lost one symp so far. Good call.

Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 09:33 PM, said:

Man, as my luck runs D'riss is the last symp.


It's a shame PB lost it there. Mistakes can happen to the best of us, yet it would've been great to have a strong player as a symp. I'm by no means a good killer (I'm too aggressive and say too much dumb shit :D), but I've also been plagued with a general lack of competent symps. I really would've liked playing a game with someone as competent as PB watching my back. Alas.


@Gavin - you dirty boy. I need your input!


Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 09:48 PM, said:

Hmpf.. Sorrit is right. Kessobahn did urge him to vote for you. I might've misunderstood the whole thing. Or I might not. Hm, ok, I'm going to work on the assumption that we're one scum down no matter. That seems to be the safest option at this point.

Path-Shaper, on 20 April 2010 - 09:59 PM, said:

While I obviously can't give you any information about what did or didn't happen, teams, or whatnot, I can say that I face-palmed after that post quite a bit. Having some personal issues outside of the game (details in SH) that really distracted me and I wrote to the wrong spot.

-pb

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:06 PM

WOW, go bold or go home, SERIOUSLY. Props to Ed for a giant wall of text. I suspect it may get him in trouble, but you never know...

D, on 20 April 2010 - 10:03 PM, said:

Pb, if I botched this post, I'll be joining you in the SH really soon!!!


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BLOCK OF TEXT INC. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

HERE THERE BE BLOCK OF TEXT. COVER YOUR EYES INITIALLY, AND PROCEED WITH CAUTION.

HERE BE BLOCK OF TEXT. UNFORTUNATELY YOU MIGHT READ IT. IF YOU SURVIVE IT, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO READ IT AGAIN.


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"The gentle breeze coming through the barred windows offered little comfort to D'riss... His eyes wandered into the
content of the ornate clay cup he was holding.The red wine seemed his only compassion, his solitude. But even that
was unable to stop the fire racing within him.He noticed the fingers, the accusing glares.Some weren't even carefull
to keep their voice low enough...


-Rebelous scum..
-Traitor..


The anger, the temper was rising..a flame turning to a bonfire and going.. to inferno...If the conditions were different
he wouldn't even hesitate, there was only one way to answer such preposterous insults and accusations.And that would be
with the end of his sword.
He shook his head, trying to clear his thoughts.Tiny drops of sweat appeared to his forhead.He raised the cup once more.
He had forgotten how many times he has done that, now.It reached his lips, but as soon as the chilled liquid touched his
tongue he froze...


Whoosing sounds from dresses coming up behind him...
Tiny footsters on the wooden floor..
Female whispers...


-Chong Ji is dead...
-The Commandant of the Ru Nan is dead..


Suddenly the wine didn't taste good anymore.Bitter.. rotten..

With one swift move, he rose from his crossleged position, turned sideways and took two quick steps.The women almost bumped
into him , and were quick to avert their eyes towards the floor once they recognized the Emperial Officer Regalia.
The volume of his voice was low, but deadly clear.A sharp order.The women rushed towards the exit of the Grant Hall...
Making his way to the center of the room, he inspected the walls.


-The west one will suffice.. It has enough space- he thought.

With steady assuring steps, he positioned himself infront of it.. and waited.
Not for long.The two women were back, stopping 4 footsteps before him as protocol commanded.He quickly inspected what they
were carrying.With a satisfing nod, he passed his wine cup to one of them and lifted the big roll of papyrus paper she had
in her arms.Unfolding it slowly, he pinned its edges as high as he could, leting it run down the edge of the wall like a
waterfall.Unbuckling his guantlets, he secured them in his belt.With his swordarm, he picked up the elegant longbrush that
the second woman was holding, and dipped it lightly into the container with the dark paint..


-Chong Ji.. This is the only way I can draw.. I can only hope you will find it enough- he whispered.

With quick lashes from his right arm, the brush touched the paper and started dancing on it.As the ideograms appeared
one after the other, his rythm quickened.He was sure that enough set of eyes within the room were now focused
on what he was doing.It pleased him."



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In case any of you doesn't remember, this was Eloths analysis:

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Now somone suggested two killers but there was only one kill, now in a twenty or so person game
would the mod only leave one kill in the game. Someone suggested a set up of two killers and three symp,
ok I can see the two killer argument but the three symps |I'll have to re read the OP. But based on a number
of 5 scum in 20 players and they win with majority. They need to get it to 9 players. They need to kill 11 people.
Or 9 people now. So with that Day 6 is the earliest they can win with 5 players with no losses



He backed up said analysis once more , here

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D'riss when you do math on mafia all we really need to know in the various set up that you imagine when will it
become crucial to get correct lynches before the scum win.

Which I already did.



But dare I ask the rest of you: Is still Day 6 the earliest scum can win, or are we dancing into someone elses flute?

Just for Eloth, I will make another attempt at this.
I am aware that I am probably digging my own grave here (hell, I've dug half of it already, I might as well finish it)

The following analysis is based on the worse possible senario, meaning town makes the worse decisions they can make which
include: All lynches being townie, Town vig (if any, and if used) targets townie, Guard (if any) guards a townie instead of
scum, etc etc etc



State of the game: Day two, 18 players left , 2 roled scum and probably 3 symps.
If all scum survive, town loses (or scum win, whichever way you prefer) when there are 9 players left.
Out of the two roled scum , so far we have these possibilities:
1) Two seperate killers who simply got lucky, without any outside communication.
2) Two seperate killers with outside communication.
3) Outside communication for killers, but both need to target same person for a kill to register.


Worse case senario , Number (2).

Roles: guard/healer/vig/?? . Again not clear which combo would make the most balanced game. Perhaps someone else can come
up with that.Both killers being vigs could result in this ending sooner, and in gore.Both town and scum having a vig each?
Perhaps. Will try to present cases on
(1.1) No vigs
(1.2) One vig in game [Doesn't matter if vig is scum or town, since we are only worried about worse case senario, we can
assume if vig is town, his vig ends up targeting an inno {if vig ends up dying without using it, we go back to (1.1)}
(1.3) Two vigs in game (town/scum).




Now, let us see in how many days we can reach the Lynch-or-Lose bottleneck.

I.1) Two seperate killers with outside communication, no vigs in game, all lynches end up targeting townie.
Killer scum might decide to mix it up by killing 1 in one night and 2 in the other.This will prolong the game and
buy the town more time to get a successfull lynch.If they go all out which is the worse case senario, this will be
the outcome.
Day 2:18 alive, Lynch + 2 NK , 15 left
Day 3:15 alive, Lynch + 2 NK , 12 left
Day 4:12 alive, Lynch + 2 NK , 9 left (Game Over)

I.2) Same case as (I.1) but we add a vig in there. We will still make it to Day 4 with 11 alive if the vig is used on Day
2,3 or 4 killing a townie, so Day 4 remains the Lynch-or-lose Day.

I.3) Same case as (I.1) but with 2 vigs involved.
I.3.a ) Scum vig is used, townie vig isn't used- Refer to (I.2), Lynch-or-Lose Day 4.
I.3.b ) Scum vig is used, townie vig is used targeting a townie.If both are used before Day 4, we end up with 10 alive in
Day 4, making it again Lynch-or-Lose day.

II.1) Outside communication for killers but both need to target same person to register a kil, no vigs in game, all lynches
end up targeting townie.
Day 2:18 alive, Lynch + 1 NK , 16 left
Day 3:16 alive, Lynch + 1 NK , 14 left
Day 4:14 alive, Lynch + 1 NK , 12 left
Day 5:12 alive, Lynch + 1 NK , 10 left
Day 6:10 alive, Lynch + 1 NK , 8 left (Game Over)

II.2) Same case as (I.2) but we add a vig in there.
II.2.a ) Vig gets used in Day 2, or 3, or 4.
Day 5:11alive, Lynch + 1 NK , 9 left (Game Over)
II.2.b ) Vig gets used in Day 5.
Day 5:12 alive, Vig + Lynch + 1 NK, 9 left (Game Over)
II.2.c ) Vig doesn't get used in Day 5.We end up in Day 6, which is already our Lynch-or-Lose day from (II.1).

II.3) Same case as (I.2) but we add two vigs in there.Any combination of them being used in Day 2, 3 , or 4 will leave us
with 10 alive in Day 5, making it the Lynch-or-Lose day.


Now having said that, if all hell breaks lose, and everything goes wrong, town can get cornered as early as Day 4.
Even if this night gets through with 1 NK, we still don't know if we are dealing with both scum needing to target the same
player for a kill , since they might decide to use that as a surprise, in the final push.Even if that is the case, if you
go back to (II.1) and replace any (1 NK) with (2 NK), it will get us to a Lynch-or-Lose in Day 5 (which might prove to be
enough time for the town or not, either way it gives the town one more day)

So the conclusion is this:
-If town is dealing with two killers that can kill seperetly with outside communication we have as little as Day 4, OR
they can use 1 NK in the following nights as a smokescreen and corner the town in Day 5.Vigs will not alter the worse
outcome.
-If the town is dealing with two killers that must target the same person to kil with outside communication, we have as
little as Day 6 without a vig, Day 5 if vigs are involved.


Now, is above mentioned analysis of the game sound, or am I missing something? And if it is, why does Eloth wants the town
to believe that they have until Day 6, when in fact there are some occassions that they clearly don't.


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"With a final thrust, he added the last of it.Moving his hand sideways, he allowed the longbrush to fall into the container,
and he picked up his wine cup once more.Staring at the papyrus, his knuckles and slowly his fingers started to turn white.
Tiny wrinkles appeared on the surface of the calm liquid.


*CRACccccCCCKKKKKK*

Not being able to withstand more pressure, the clay gave in, shattering to various small pieces, that tinckled around on
the wooden floor among his feet.His eyes still danced on his writings, when he heard the tiny female cry from his right
side.Turning his head slightly , with the corner of his eye he caught one of the women starting at his hand, her position
almost leaning forward, ready to close in, when she noticed his gaze on her.Trembling, she lowered her arms and resumed
her previous posture.Only then did he take notice that something thinker and darker was now dripping from the edge of his
fingers, and landing on the small wine puddle on the floor.


-Oh, but it is only fiting.. He smiled crookingly, and raised his bloodied hand once more, adding to the papyrus hanging
on the wall.



"When the Son of Heaven commands, I can only obey.
I will remain here.
I am waiting."


He folded all the fingers inside his palm, and extended the middle one.He pressed his hand with such force on the paper,
that the wall behind it squicked in complain.
Satisfied with the imprint, he secured his gauntlets back, and with a quick wave dismissed both women.Marching back, he
once again assumed his crossleged position on the floor. This night there would be no warm sheets to cover his body, no
pillow to rest his head on.This room and its lifeless objects will be the witnesses of what ever fate might be.Unbuckling
the swordbelt, he ceremoniously folded it, and let it sit beside him.He rested the sword across his knees, and removed the
rope protector that tied the weapon to the sheathe.Right hand on the hilt, left hand at the edge of the seathe, he closed
his eyes...


And waited..."




PS: My apologies if this was too long, or redirects people from their train of thought- took some time to write it between chores and it
seems some were quicker than me and started building cases.Simply carry on, after that small break.
PSS: If your eyes bled from grammar or anything , I'm sorry. Well, not really.
PSSS: Emorp in before Emo-rp posts.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:12 PM

Massive rep to ED. Hes playing like a pro (lots of info and even excecuted the wall of text with a warning, to which I applaud).

~I didnt read it, but I still approve, lol.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:22 PM

MOrgy says he hasn't seen symps yet, but he's doing a pretty good job picking NON symps to kill. It's a subtle job :D

Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 10:11 PM, said:

Btb, Gavin, when you're done masturbating to The Best of Cher; I would suggest Karosis as a potential kill target. Sukul Ankhadu is a safe one, though rather irrelevant all in all.

My preferred list at this point would be

Karosis
Liosan
Karatallid
Sukul Ankhadu

though Eloth is floating in there too.


I haven't seen any signs of symps so far, which annoys me. Either I'm blind or they've utterly failed to make themselves known to us. Sorrit and Korvalain are the only two who've at all given us support/done something that benefits us. Not that I assume they're our symps, there's just so little to go on. Gah!

So, if you find something it would make me feel better.

Path-Shaper, on 20 April 2010 - 10:22 PM, said:

Korbas, on 20 April 2010 - 10:16 PM, said:

In the interest of not somehow missing the deadline. Put Karosis down as a tentative provisional with a high chance of being changed.



Noted.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:29 PM

Each and every time I get to witness it, I love how Morgy becomes all dirty mouthed when talking to his partner.

Also: ED: you, sir, deserve an HHM title straight away, even if you never play again. I nominate thee Scribe of HHM.
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