[rannald]

Was grub the baby that duiker handed to keneb?, it's somthing that i missed earlier but
duiker said "Now run captain, But tell me your name, for there may well be a mother or father still alive for that child"

Keneb then turns around and says " keneb sir,and i will take care of that lass until then"....

I realise that it may seem that im nit-picking but it was just somthing i noticed while reading and it kind of confused me, i realise that keneb
may not have seen anything that identified the baby as boy, if it is in fact grub, but it's not somthing that is often gotten wrong in many novels

This post has been edited by rannald: 01 April 2010 - 09:45 PM

[Ozymandiac]

There are plenty of references later on about Grub that imply he was adopted, so I always assumed named baby was Grub, but I never spotted the remark about a lass.

I think it's either a mistake by Keneb or by Erikson. And if it's the latter, he'll just blame it on the former.

[Harvester]

No, Grub was with Keneb from the start... or not? .... I'll have to reread...

This post has been edited by Harvester: 01 April 2010 - 10:04 PM

[D'rek]

Harvester, on 01 April 2010 - 09:49 PM, said:

No, Grub was with Keneb from the start... or not? .... I'll have to reread...

No, that'd be his biological kids - Vaneb and... something, forget the other boy's name.

Spoiler

If the kid Duiker hands Keneb is indeed just a baby then it makes Grub a bit young in DG considering how old he is in HoC and later... based on that alone I'd hazard it better that we believe the baby is not Grub and Keneb adopted him later from amongst the many other urchins from the CoD.

[Harvester]

Ah, thanks! How did I miss that... I thought he has always been 'round.

Spoiler

Yes, you're right. We should probably just forget about the girl (with the implicit understanding that Grub appeared later on).

[Sinisdar Toste]

grub is describe as a curly blonde-haired blue-eyed kid. it would be very easy for a distraught keneb to make such a simple mistake while in the midst of the end of the chain. i think it was grub.

also, this from DoD

Spoiler

grub himself says to sinn that duiker put him into kenebs arms

[Salt-Man Z]

Grub is secretly Orfantal.

[worry]

No way, he's secretly D'rek

Grub = The Worm

[rannald]

RG spoiler:

Spoiler

i think that Grub is a physical manifistation of mockra e.g the voice that spoke to seren pedac, and sinn turned too grub and said somthing about sensing mockra areound him or somthing, it also has the double advantage as, By Grub's very nature there seems to be a subtle deception about GRubs very person aswell... just my thoughts on it

[Avious]

I don't remember specifically which book this is from.

Spoiler

One of the history bits at the beginning of a chapter mention Grub as the "Future First Sword of the Late Empire Period". I doubt he is a warren or a god in disguise.

This post has been edited by Avious: 07 April 2010 - 04:34 AM

[Wampyry]

rannald, on 01 April 2010 - 08:39 PM, said:

Was grub the baby that duiker handed to keneb?, it's somthing that i missed earlier but
duiker said "Now run captain, But tell me your name, for there may well be a mother or father still alive for that child"

Keneb then turns around and says " keneb sir,and i will take care of that lass until then"....

I realise that it may seem that im nit-picking but it was just somthing i noticed while reading and it kind of confused me, i realise that keneb
may not have seen anything that identified the baby as boy, if it is in fact grub, but it's not somthing that is often gotten wrong in many novels

Spoiler

House of Chains. Tavore talking to Keneb about Grub:
'Is he yours, captain?'

'As good as Adjunct. An orphan from the Chain of Dogs. The Historian Duiker placed him in my care"

So the "Lass" was a misprint or - at least - an understandable mistake by
Keneb

This post has been edited by Wampyry: 22 May 2010 - 03:22 AM

[Silk]

Wampyry, on 22 May 2010 - 03:14 AM, said:

rannald, on 01 April 2010 - 08:39 PM, said:

Was grub the baby that duiker handed to keneb?, it's somthing that i missed earlier but
duiker said "Now run captain, But tell me your name, for there may well be a mother or father still alive for that child"

Keneb then turns around and says " keneb sir,and i will take care of that lass until then"....

I realise that it may seem that im nit-picking but it was just somthing i noticed while reading and it kind of confused me, i realise that keneb
may not have seen anything that identified the baby as boy, if it is in fact grub, but it's not somthing that is often gotten wrong in many novels

Spoiler

House of Chains. Tavore talking to Keneb about Grub:
'Is he yours, captain?'

'As good as Adjunct. An orphan from the Chain of Dogs. The Historian Duiker placed him in my care"

So the "Lass" was a misprint or - at least - an understandable mistake by
Keneb

I'm sure that when Duiker gets into Aren and meets with keneb that Keneb says he handed the lass to her family.......... two different kids entirely.

[Ozymandiac]

Silk, on 23 May 2010 - 03:49 PM, said:

Wampyry, on 22 May 2010 - 03:14 AM, said:

rannald, on 01 April 2010 - 08:39 PM, said:

Was grub the baby that duiker handed to keneb?, it's somthing that i missed earlier but
duiker said "Now run captain, But tell me your name, for there may well be a mother or father still alive for that child"

Keneb then turns around and says " keneb sir,and i will take care of that lass until then"....

I realise that it may seem that im nit-picking but it was just somthing i noticed while reading and it kind of confused me, i realise that keneb
may not have seen anything that identified the baby as boy, if it is in fact grub, but it's not somthing that is often gotten wrong in many novels

Spoiler

House of Chains. Tavore talking to Keneb about Grub:
'Is he yours, captain?'

'As good as Adjunct. An orphan from the Chain of Dogs. The Historian Duiker placed him in my care"

So the "Lass" was a misprint or - at least - an understandable mistake by
Keneb

I'm sure that when Duiker gets into Aren and meets with keneb that Keneb says he handed the lass to her family.......... two different kids entirely.

You're absolutely right:

"The historian did not notice - nor did anyone else - the arrival of a captain of Blistig's garrison. The man had been about to speak with Duiker, to inform him of the safe delivery of a child to a grandfather. But at the word 'Jhistal' he stiffened, then, eyes widening, he took a step back."

So Keneb has delivered the lass to her family - it really can't be Grubb. So, who is Grubb then? I always assumed it was this kid!

[Harvester]

minor DoD spoiler

Spoiler

... but in DoD Keneb recalls Duiker handing him the refugee Grub

This post has been edited by Harvester: 23 May 2010 - 10:43 PM

[Wampyry]

Ozymandiac, on 23 May 2010 - 04:26 PM, said:

Silk, on 23 May 2010 - 03:49 PM, said:

Wampyry, on 22 May 2010 - 03:14 AM, said:

rannald, on 01 April 2010 - 08:39 PM, said:

Was grub the baby that duiker handed to keneb?, it's somthing that i missed earlier but
duiker said "Now run captain, But tell me your name, for there may well be a mother or father still alive for that child"

Keneb then turns around and says " keneb sir,and i will take care of that lass until then"....

I realise that it may seem that im nit-picking but it was just somthing i noticed while reading and it kind of confused me, i realise that keneb
may not have seen anything that identified the baby as boy, if it is in fact grub, but it's not somthing that is often gotten wrong in many novels

Spoiler

House of Chains. Tavore talking to Keneb about Grub:
'Is he yours, captain?'

'As good as Adjunct. An orphan from the Chain of Dogs. The Historian Duiker placed him in my care"

So the "Lass" was a misprint or - at least - an understandable mistake by
Keneb

I'm sure that when Duiker gets into Aren and meets with keneb that Keneb says he handed the lass to her family.......... two different kids entirely.

You're absolutely right:

"The historian did not notice - nor did anyone else - the arrival of a captain of Blistig's garrison. The man had been about to speak with Duiker, to inform him of the safe delivery of a child to a grandfather. But at the word 'Jhistal' he stiffened, then, eyes widening, he took a step back."

So Keneb has delivered the lass to her family - it really can't be Grubb. So, who is Grubb then? I always assumed it was this kid!

I am getting lost here. Outside Aren Duiker placed one child in Keneb's arms.

Spoiler

Keneb tells Tavore (HOC) that the baby was Grub.

This post has been edited by Wampyry: 24 May 2010 - 01:43 AM

[Harvester]

Okay, that doesn't make any sense.

[Wampyry]

Harvester, on 24 May 2010 - 09:11 PM, said:

Okay, that doesn't make any sense.

Only thing that does not make sense to me is why Keneb never changed the baby's diaper. Seriously, believe the confusion is deliberate. It is one of Erikson's RAFO mysteries. The baby's sex is deliberately obscure or misleading.

Outside Aren Duiker saw a child no more than eighteen months old. He swept the child into one arm. He spotted a captain and rode to him. 'Here take this child. 'Tell me your name, captain, for there may well be a mother or father alive for that child.' Keneb,
'I will take care of the lass, I swear it.' At this point neither Duiker or Keneb knew the sex of the child.

At the urging of Mallick Rel, Pormqual decides to destroy Korbolo Dom's army. Keneb is called to formation so he finds a babysitter, a grandfather. Keneb is about to tell Duiker of the safe delivery of a
chld when the word Jhistal makes him stop - it has bad connotations

Spoiler

HOC. Tavore is angry at some of Grub's antics. She storms over to Keneb.
'Is he yours, captain?'
'As good as, Adjunct. an orphan from the Chain of DOgs. historian Duiker
placed him in my arms.

'Has he a name?'
'Grub'
'Grub?'
'For now, Adjucnt. It suits him well'

[Harvester]

I was agreeing with you.

[Sinisdar Toste]

the "lass" thing is probably kenebs mistake. the report of a child delivered safely to a grandfather could be any child, but odds are it was grub. the chances of that person actually being grubs grandfather are slim and grubs strange enough as it is. that he might have run away from a near-stranger to find the last person he was with isn't that hard to fathom.