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One question about Prince K'azz

#1 Różowy_Słoń

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 10:30 AM

I wasn't sure whether to post here, or in the GotM section...
Just one, simple question.

In Gardens of the Moon K'azz is apparently alive, not lost. Brood even says 'Let's not get too excited. People will start thinking you're not as
bored with all this as you make out to be. I'm meeting with Prince K'azz.' Clear situation.

But in the Return of The Crimson Guard we are informed that Prince has disappeared just after Kellanved's conquest(so, many, many years before the Campagin on the Genabackis) and nobody knows where he is.
Is it just another GotMism, or did I miss something?

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 11:02 AM

Witamy :>

Yes, it looks like just another GotMism. We should make a database of these.

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 11:09 AM

Actually it's not a Gotism as the K'azz mentioned in GOTM is an impostor. Kallor comments on this in either TTH or perhaps MoI. Presumably one of the CG's pretends to be K'azz so it wont bee known that their leader is missing.

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 11:14 AM

Was it now. Still, it looks more like a sort of a retcon than something that was planned from the start.

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 07:00 PM

Urizen, on 29 March 2010 - 11:09 AM, said:

Thanks, I somehow missed this Kallor's remark. However, it still does not seem plausible for me...

"And the Duke disappeared soon after that. So we divided into companies and went our separate ways.'

So, they all(not only Avowed ) knew about it. Is it possible to keep such thing in secret for so many years, with so many spies around? I can hardly believe it.

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 07:16 PM

I thought it was Spite who said it when she off hand claimed that some one had been impersonating Kazz?

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 06:43 PM

tiam, on 29 March 2010 - 07:16 PM, said:

I thought it was Spite who said it when she off hand claimed that some one had been impersonating Kazz?

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Don't think so. There's definitely one of the former commanders of the Genebackan resistance saying/thinking "If the fellow I met really was K'azz at all". Yeah, it's a retcon, but so what? It's not like the (now-fake) K'azz was ever actually seen or had any characterization so I don't see any issue with it. It'd be a different story if, say, it turned out Caladan was revealed as an imposter posing as him in TtH despite everything in GotM/MoI, but we never saw K'azz so it makes no difference.

worrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 03:52 AM

some character does remark in one of the l8r books about "the man pretendin to be prince k'azz", so by then SE n ICE must've decided on the missin k'azz storyline... but it really doesn't affect the GotM storyline as k'azz doesn't figure in it.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 04:55 AM

its in MoI, korlat mentions something about, "the man who pretended to be K'azz D'avore"

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 06:51 AM

Toll the Hounds as well, when the fat human priestess visits the Andiin High Priestess of Darkness. She says quite casually:

"Do you know, when the delegates from the Free Cities came to treat with us, when the Rhivi and the man who pretended to be Prince K'azz D'Avore of the Crimson Guard came to us - they all thought to bargain. To buy our swords, our power."

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 05:33 PM

Not helpful, but interesting: I did a quick search of Google Books, and K'azz is mentioned in each of the first 7 books, usually when some character rattles off a list of great military commanders.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 07:31 PM

interestin quotes guys... the quote i remember was from TtH. so SE had hinted bout this as far back as MoI?

Salt-Man Z, on 31 March 2010 - 05:33 PM, said:

Not helpful, but interesting: I did a quick search of Google Books, and K'azz is mentioned in each of the first 7 books, usually when some character rattles off a list of great military commanders.

yup, k'azz's name keeps poppin up among the gr8 military commanders... would be nice if we got to see his vaunted strategic skills in some book... the part in RotCG was all about cuttin losses n retreatin...also, there's one flashback to tavore's childhood where she is replayin some old battle as a d'avore prince (not sure if it's k'azz)...

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 10:39 PM

Różowy_Słoń, on 29 March 2010 - 07:00 PM, said:

Urizen, on 29 March 2010 - 11:09 AM, said:

When does it say the Duke disappeared? Because if it was right after the Diaspora then the only soldiers around would have been the Avowed. And they probably didn't want to mention to the soldiers they were recruiting that they didn't know where their leader was...

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 06:17 PM

borstalboy, on 31 March 2010 - 07:31 PM, said:

interestin quotes guys... the quote i remember was from TtH. so SE had hinted bout this as far back as MoI?

Salt-Man Z, on 31 March 2010 - 05:33 PM, said:

Not helpful, but interesting: I did a quick search of Google Books, and K'azz is mentioned in each of the first 7 books, usually when some character rattles off a list of great military commanders.

It's not K'azz. Some other Duke D'Avore.

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 31 March 2010 - 10:39 PM, said:

Różowy_Słoń, on 29 March 2010 - 07:00 PM, said:

Urizen, on 29 March 2010 - 11:09 AM, said:

It says he disappeared while they were resisting the malazan invasion of Stratem. That'd be while they were still recruiting soldiers for the 1st Investiture, most likely. The Diaspora would begin very shortly thereafter.

worrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.