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#881 User is offline   Omtose 

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 09:57 PM

I have to disagree with the interpretation that lack of votes is resistance. While it's true that it can be, and some people not talking about him may even be doing that, I think that construing not voting someone as resisting their lynch is ridiculous.

Personally, I don't think the case on GL is particularly convincing, so it doesn't surprise me much it's not got many votes on it. As well as that another vote when it's only 5 to lynch puts him at L-2. That makes alternative lynches a lot less likely, and keeping other options open is hardly unreasonable.

I also find myself disliking that with so long left it's being suggested that people not outright voting GL are opposed to the lynch, because it's a way of pressuring people to vote him, and seems like certain people are pushing to get another vote on him to make the lynch a lot more likely.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 09:59 PM

well, this is funny. I guess we have to wait for GL to get on and direct his minions where to vote. I am guessing it's going to be me, as Me and shadow are the only ones throwing out any info, and a shadow lynch is rather redundant.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 10:02 PM

I am out for a good 4-5 hours, I am going to try to stay up for GL's post time, but I can't make promises with work. ( me and 5 hours of sleep don't mix) . I should be around for 30 more min, but unless someone actually comes up with something to add ,i'll probably leave my vote.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 10:05 PM

Well, I was considering voting you anyway, to open up an alternative possibility, and for pushing the idea that lack of agreement(with a fiarly weak case, imo) means people are resisting it, which seems like pressuring people to vote to me.

I do think that we should see what GL has to say though, reactions are very important.

I kind of dislike this though:

"I guess we have to wait for GL to get on and direct his minions where to vote"

Since it seems like an innocent comment, however, it does make sense that after GL returns there will be more activity(since generally people wait for the accuseds reactions) and it lets you jump up and down going "I told you so".

That might just be me reading too much into things though.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 10:12 PM

View PostOmtose, on 25 March 2010 - 09:57 PM, said:

I have to disagree with the interpretation that lack of votes is resistance. While it's true that it can be, and some people not talking about him may even be doing that, I think that construing not voting someone as resisting their lynch is ridiculous.

Personally, I don't think the case on GL is particularly convincing, so it doesn't surprise me much it's not got many votes on it. As well as that another vote when it's only 5 to lynch puts him at L-2. That makes alternative lynches a lot less likely, and keeping other options open is hardly unreasonable.

I also find myself disliking that with so long left it's being suggested that people not outright voting GL are opposed to the lynch, because it's a way of pressuring people to vote him, and seems like certain people are pushing to get another vote on him to make the lynch a lot more likely.



So suggest someone else.

this is a 24 hour game. people ( like GL) have a set posting time. I don't think he and I have been on thread at the same time the entire game. It's not pressuring so much as it is encouraginge action to get info. We failed to lynch mockra, which was a huge downfall of ours, because people were pussyfooting around. So if you feel you are being pressured...pressure back.

I pretty much gauranteed I am not going to get recruited tonight because I am a likely lynch today or tomorrow, but... oh well. At this rate we won't have any lynches the rest of the game cause everyone is too afraid. I think at that point I'd rather be on the inquisitors team.

If you aren't on NW i don't see why you anyone would be afraid of a lynch. It's not like its going to hurt your team... like I said before, unrecruited, DW and inquisitors don't have to worry about being lynched. The only people that fear a lynch are the NW.

yeah yeah yeah , jump all over me for this. Whatever, Even if you guys lynch me....i aint getting lynched because I aint on NW.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 10:15 PM

View PostOsseric, on 25 March 2010 - 10:12 PM, said:

View PostOmtose, on 25 March 2010 - 09:57 PM, said:

I have to disagree with the interpretation that lack of votes is resistance. While it's true that it can be, and some people not talking about him may even be doing that, I think that construing not voting someone as resisting their lynch is ridiculous.

Personally, I don't think the case on GL is particularly convincing, so it doesn't surprise me much it's not got many votes on it. As well as that another vote when it's only 5 to lynch puts him at L-2. That makes alternative lynches a lot less likely, and keeping other options open is hardly unreasonable.

I also find myself disliking that with so long left it's being suggested that people not outright voting GL are opposed to the lynch, because it's a way of pressuring people to vote him, and seems like certain people are pushing to get another vote on him to make the lynch a lot more likely.



So suggest someone else.

this is a 24 hour game. people ( like GL) have a set posting time. I don't think he and I have been on thread at the same time the entire game. It's not pressuring so much as it is encouraginge action to get info. We failed to lynch mockra, which was a huge downfall of ours, because people were pussyfooting around. So if you feel you are being pressured...pressure back.

I pretty much gauranteed I am not going to get recruited tonight because I am a likely lynch today or tomorrow, but... oh well. At this rate we won't have any lynches the rest of the game cause everyone is too afraid. I think at that point I'd rather be on the inquisitors team.

If you aren't on NW i don't see why you anyone would be afraid of a lynch. It's not like its going to hurt your team... like I said before, unrecruited, DW and inquisitors don't have to worry about being lynched. The only people that fear a lynch are the NW.

yeah yeah yeah , jump all over me for this. Whatever, Even if you guys lynch me....i aint getting lynched because I aint on NW.

Pre-emptive defense?

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 10:17 PM

A wrong lynch does hurt our team, because it uses up time, gives the watches time to take actions. Way things are going, we might not have many wrong lynches left.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 10:19 PM

View PostOmtose, on 25 March 2010 - 10:05 PM, said:

Well, I was considering voting you anyway, to open up an alternative possibility, and for pushing the idea that lack of agreement(with a fiarly weak case, imo) means people are resisting it, which seems like pressuring people to vote to me.

I do think that we should see what GL has to say though, reactions are very important.

I kind of dislike this though:

"I guess we have to wait for GL to get on and direct his minions where to vote"

Since it seems like an innocent comment, however, it does make sense that after GL returns there will be more activity(since generally people wait for the accuseds reactions) and it lets you jump up and down going "I told you so".

That might just be me reading too much into things though.



I won't be around to say "I told you so" But will try to stay up and be around for when GL gets on because I have a more open internet schedule than him.


Ask yourself this, would the leader of the NW be going off like I am, trying to get the game moving? I don't think so. He would be sitting back laughing because he hasn't lost a recruit all game and we are 5 days into a 10 day game. If I was the lead what would my motivation be for the last page of posts I had... none. ( Inb4 well you woulda known we would think that so its a double switcheroo!! WIFOM)

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 10:26 PM

View PostOmtose, on 25 March 2010 - 10:17 PM, said:

A wrong lynch does hurt our team, because it uses up time, gives the watches time to take actions. Way things are going, we might not have many wrong lynches left.


This is a reason why I want to vote you so much, if I didn't feel you were a lowly recruit. It's almost painfully obvious that going out of your way to pretend to be RI is a waste of time. I doubt a single person in this game thinks you're still working with the Inquisitors.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 10:46 PM

This from the person who posted analysis aimed towards pointing out the inquisitors?

Again you have made a statement without providing any evidence to back it up.

You have done that quite a lot.

Though not when you were analysing who the inquisitors were likely to be of course.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 10:51 PM

I also doubt the recruitment count is as high as has been predicted. Because with the amount of death we've had, if the watches can both recruit nightly, then the inquisitions job seems impossible.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 10:55 PM

This is frustrating, I'm out. Gonna try to get on around the time GL usually logs on.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 10:56 PM

Vote Galayn Lord


(Would rather lynch Ruse though)

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 10:57 PM

Ah, good old Fener pops in with his 2 sentence vote and commentary. Good times :wacko:

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 10:59 PM

View PostOmtose, on 25 March 2010 - 10:51 PM, said:

I also doubt the recruitment count is as high as has been predicted. Because with the amount of death we've had, if the watches can both recruit nightly, then the inquisitions job seems impossible.



Saw this as I was leaving.

There are 9 people left. If one was a recruiter and everyone else was a recruiter/recruited ( this isn't the case) ... the inquisitor would just have to make it 4 more days without being NK'd and they would win. they don't care if people are recruited, they just need balance.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 10:59 PM

View PostShadow, on 25 March 2010 - 10:57 PM, said:

Ah, good old Fener pops in with his 2 sentence vote and commentary. Good times :p
Cause your GL vote had so much more :wacko:

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 11:06 PM

View PostOmtose, on 25 March 2010 - 10:15 PM, said:

View PostOsseric, on 25 March 2010 - 10:12 PM, said:

View PostOmtose, on 25 March 2010 - 09:57 PM, said:

I have to disagree with the interpretation that lack of votes is resistance. While it's true that it can be, and some people not talking about him may even be doing that, I think that construing not voting someone as resisting their lynch is ridiculous.

Personally, I don't think the case on GL is particularly convincing, so it doesn't surprise me much it's not got many votes on it. As well as that another vote when it's only 5 to lynch puts him at L-2. That makes alternative lynches a lot less likely, and keeping other options open is hardly unreasonable.

I also find myself disliking that with so long left it's being suggested that people not outright voting GL are opposed to the lynch, because it's a way of pressuring people to vote him, and seems like certain people are pushing to get another vote on him to make the lynch a lot more likely.



So suggest someone else.

this is a 24 hour game. people ( like GL) have a set posting time. I don't think he and I have been on thread at the same time the entire game. It's not pressuring so much as it is encouraginge action to get info. We failed to lynch mockra, which was a huge downfall of ours, because people were pussyfooting around. So if you feel you are being pressured...pressure back.

I pretty much gauranteed I am not going to get recruited tonight because I am a likely lynch today or tomorrow, but... oh well. At this rate we won't have any lynches the rest of the game cause everyone is too afraid. I think at that point I'd rather be on the inquisitors team.

If you aren't on NW i don't see why you anyone would be afraid of a lynch. It's not like its going to hurt your team... like I said before, unrecruited, DW and inquisitors don't have to worry about being lynched. The only people that fear a lynch are the NW.

yeah yeah yeah , jump all over me for this. Whatever, Even if you guys lynch me....i aint getting lynched because I aint on NW.

Pre-emptive defense?

Bolded to me seems quite telling as RI's to me are on the inquisitors team. You saying your not?

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 11:07 PM

View PostOsseric, on 25 March 2010 - 10:59 PM, said:

View PostOmtose, on 25 March 2010 - 10:51 PM, said:

I also doubt the recruitment count is as high as has been predicted. Because with the amount of death we've had, if the watches can both recruit nightly, then the inquisitions job seems impossible.



Saw this as I was leaving.

There are 9 people left. If one was a recruiter and everyone else was a recruiter/recruited ( this isn't the case) ... the inquisitor would just have to make it 4 more days without being NK'd and they would win. they don't care if people are recruited, they just need balance.

Yes, but I don't think that their survival is very likely in that scenario. Particularly given the bit at the start about gaining powers upon recruitment.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 11:07 PM

View PostShadow, on 25 March 2010 - 10:26 PM, said:

View PostOmtose, on 25 March 2010 - 10:17 PM, said:

A wrong lynch does hurt our team, because it uses up time, gives the watches time to take actions. Way things are going, we might not have many wrong lynches left.


This is a reason why I want to vote you so much, if I didn't feel you were a lowly recruit. It's almost painfully obvious that going out of your way to pretend to be RI is a waste of time. I doubt a single person in this game thinks you're still working with the Inquisitors.

Well its quite obvious your not, with all your talk of there not being any RI's left.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 11:08 PM

View PostOmtose, on 25 March 2010 - 10:59 PM, said:

View PostShadow, on 25 March 2010 - 10:57 PM, said:

Ah, good old Fener pops in with his 2 sentence vote and commentary. Good times :p
Cause your GL vote had so much more :wacko:

Hey pal, you spent all of yesterday shooting me into the ground, so what good would it be for me to construct another case? You're just going to try and riddle it with holes. Clearly you don't think we're working for the same people.

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