Shadow, on 23 March 2010 - 06:45 PM, said:
Suffice to say, I wouldn't read too much into my Inquisition speculation other than me using it a place where I can try to organize a vote without potentially harming more of the Inquisition.
Shadow, on 23 March 2010 - 10:20 PM, said:
Second, I really am not that worried about outing potential inquisition because they already apparently control their own lynch
So, in the first one, you are trying to avoid potentially harming the inquisition, by organising a vote. To me this reads as you trying to organise the vote away from the inqusition.
In the second quote however, you're not worried about lynching the inquisition.
How is that not contradictory?
Pointing out the inqusiotion helps the scum more than it helps the innocents. Your speculation is hardly helpful to the innocents, and the fact that it potentially outs the inquisition is far more useful to the scum.
I also dislike that as soon as I came on and disagreed with you, you tried to undermine my disagreement by saying "Well
obviously I have attacked your master".
Amusingly, you also say that "It's possible to disagree with someone, to even try and get that individual lynched out of the game, but be friendly and rational about it."
I am disagreeing with you because I think you are behaving in a way that suggests you are scum.
The fact that you try to undermine my credibility rather than actually counter my arguments is also dislikeable. You simply state the opposite of what I say without explanation. I say you are being contradictory, and point out the quotes. You counter, essentially, with "Oh no i'm not" and leave it at that.
I also dislike this "I want information to be known and explored". On the face of it, this seems to be pretty much well and good. However, it really isn't. Information being known doens't necessarily benefit us. In fact, it could disadvantage us, but you don't discriminate, you just want information, regardless of whether that information aids us. The outing of the inqusition perfectly demonstrates this. Outing the inquisition does not advantage the innocents. At best, it means they may not waste a lynch. However it does help the scum.
I also disagree with this explanation of why it's ok to out the inquisition:
"it's just as important for the two watches to attack each other as it is to attack the inquisition." which is your explanation as to why outing them doens't disadvantage us. Presumably because the watches are focused on each other, so won't go for the inquisition.
However, that is mistaken.
1. If the inquisition win, it prevents the watches from doing so. As such, they are both likely to want the inquisition gone.
2. The watches may not have a good grasp on who the members of the opposing watch are. So, they could be more likely to go for a inquisition member they're more confident about than someone they have a vague idea may be watch.
3. The inquisition is there to keep balance. This may prevent the watch at an advantage from lynching the other, making it harder for them to win, while the inquisition would allow lynches on the watch at an advantage(presuming they can tell) which stacks the game against the watch at an advantage.
So I think that the inquisition are hardly safe if you out them.
Another point. If the inquisition were safe, and there was any information useful to the innocents from us knowing them, wouldn't they have revealed?
Perhaps it would have been better to leave it up to them to decide if they wanted to be known, rather than try your utmost to reveal them on thread...
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