[Shadow]

Well that's a fair point to make but unfortunately, it's incorrect. If you're going to argue that I'm a leader, why you think I would expose myself to a litany of suspicion with a big analysis is absolutely bonkers. Far better for me to just join the chorus on whoever is getting lynched for the day, but alas, the vocal are often the persecuted.

I think the best information I have today is that Omtose has been a low poster for the majority of the game. I think his posts have had very good quality up until today, but he went a little overboard today to 'attack me' for speaking my mind. However, I really don't know who to vote for. It would be easy to OMGUS him, or to vote you (Ruse) for defending him and not elaborating much on the D'riss suspicion, but I'm not that sure about you yet. Gamelon has more or less sided with me here, which could easily be a self-saving maneuver since he had a lot of attention in Eloth's posts. So I think I have to do the only logical thing I can and that is

Vote Galayn Lord

Mostly based upon instinct derived from Eloth's posts.

I'm pretty open with that vote, but for now, there it is.

edit: cross post with Fener, who is a silly person. Still, voting Ruse is tempting, even if he is the highest poster and I really enjoy keeping high posters around.

This post has been edited by Shadow: 24 March 2010 - 03:06 AM

[Ruse]

Well to be fair ive said that the D'riss thing was based mainly on not thinking he started RI and i even posted a quote of it earlier i think. Not much more to elaborate there.

Yeah, the fact that you have drawn all the attention on yourself does make the symp theory more likely. Either way im pretty sure youre not still RI if you ever were.

Actually, Omtoses attacks seem to make a lot more sense than your defenses in that little exchange so i cant really agree with the " I think his posts have had very good quality up until today, but he went a little overboard today to 'attack me' for speaking my mind"

[Shadow]

You're welcome to think whatever you want of me, but after 4 nights, the idea that we still have an abundance of RIs is kind of silly, especially when we've seen two of them die. We're borderline into a faction game right now. BCS I see is maybe 4 Inquisition/RIs left.

[Ruse]

Who was assuming there was still an abundance of RI's? i just said that if you were to start with then your not anymore.

[Ruse]

Ok im going to go to bed now, by my reckoning we have just over 9 hours remaining. While i should be back before then, its not unknown for me to oversleep so im going to drop

Vote Shadow

For now as i believe he could have a been a starting member of a watch (not necessarily leader)

[Shadow]

Not unexpected.

Remove Vote
Vote Ruse

Not even sure we'll get a lynch today with the timer being what it is, and even if we do, don't even know that it's going to go through, but since I have 2 votes in a game that has seen several speed lynches, in the interest of self-preservation, and to prove to Fener I have no tie to Ruse, and because Ruse was one of the Eloth's suspects, it seems the only logical thing to do.

If Ruse stated the timer correctly, it's going to be really early for me when it times out, so I may miss it, but I can try to show up early if for some reason GL or someone becomes a viable lynch.

[Serc]

Pointing out who the possible inquisition are is a bit scummy, it looks like a watch member trying to direct his team's killer. But I do agree with Shadow's point that fingering 6 people as possible inquisition isn't exactly drawing a bullseye on someone's back. But should we be looking at the intention or the effictiveness here.

I still think that looking at the people who likely started roled is the best place to be looking, lynching a Night Watch recruit will probably help the balance a little, but at the end of the day we need to try and hit the recruiters. I've pointed out why I think Osseric did not start as RI, and I've seen D'riss and Shadow's names bandied around as other possibilities, but based mainly on feelings rather than anything specific. I'm going to go read through yesterday again and see if I can see anyone else that might not have been RI.

[Shadow]

Well, I'm not sure about a 'roled' analysis, but if you re-read my assessment, it's pretty clear that Ruse is not on Eloth's team, which makes it a fairly decent bet for a non inquisition lynch, IMO.

[Serc]

Shadow, on 24 March 2010 - 06:16 AM, said:

Well, I'm not sure about a 'roled' analysis, but if you re-read my assessment, it's pretty clear that Ruse is not on Eloth's team, which makes it a fairly decent bet for a non inquisition lynch, IMO.

Ok, but we dont need to be looking for non-inquisition, we need to be looking for Nightwatch recruiter... I was going to say that I thought you and D'riss likely started as RI, as well as Gam and Ruse. Now I'm not sure about you - I'm not sure you'd be pushing a lynch on Ruse if you saw what you purported to see yesterday. It's fairly obvious Ruse isn't inquisition, but it's fairly obvious he isnt a recruiter either, which is where I believe we need to be looking.

Got a meeting now, need to think about this some more.

[Shadow]

Well while you have a good point, I'm not entirely sure that another lynch is that likely, although we have had speed lynches in this game. That said, you'll need several votes to change to get a lynch, most likely, and I'm heading to bed shortly.

[Galayn Lord]

Edit - sorry guys in my catching up and post method i ended up with a massive row of posts.

Shadow, on 23 March 2010 - 04:42 PM, said:

Overall, I get pretty much the following... maybe it's not best to state all of this info, but some of it conflicts with each other. I'm ignoring dead players at this point, since we already know them.

• Lynching Fener is pointless, it won't go through. Possible Inquisition or knows he is RI?
• He's REALLY chummy with Osseric. Possible Inquisition or knows he is RI?
  • Osseric was not a big Fener fan, so the above two conflict.
• He was fairly chummy with Omtose on Day 1/2. Possible Inquisition or knows he's RI?
• He has a lot of suspicion of Gamelon, Ruse, and Galayn Lord.
• He seemed to indicate that he can control his own lynch.
• He seemed to indicate that he learned information from a lynch, even if one didn't occur.
• He seems to be at odds with Anthras's mechanics discussion about the Mirror and lynch control, indicating he may have information about those two which he suspected Anthras may also have.
• Finally, he had suspicions he didn't openly share, possibly about players other than Gamelon, Ruse, and GL.

That's some food for thought, at least.

why not just exclude all the inquisition partner musings?
I dont really get why you are pointing out possible inquisition partners for all the world to see.

While i do like a thorough examination i feel you are taking allot of what eloth says at face value.
Im sure allot of his posts regarding the inquisition was simply blowing hot air to keep the Watches in the dark for as long as possible.

I would rather have gone throguh his posts and try to figure out why the watch felt he was a good NK target.
Why did one watch think he was a member of the other?
Not who his suspects are and who his potential partners are?...thats....i dunno strange man!

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 24 March 2010 - 09:05 AM

[Galayn Lord]

Shadow, on 23 March 2010 - 10:31 PM, said:

Unfortunately, the only vote Eloth ever made was on Mockra, who is dead. So we don't have any extra information to go on. I think for today's vote it's best to vote for someone that is one of his suspects, even if it was not one of the mysterious ones.

So I want to vote for Gamelon, Ruse, or GL today. My gut says Ruse, my brain says GL, and my reading says Gamelon so that's where I'm at, at the moment. I'd be OK voting elsewhere, but mostly as an add-on vote if a decent case is made.

Im sorry but what makes a suspect of an inquisition all of the sudden such a good lead?

Only possible extra info he would have is the guys he has let live through lynching and thats fener.
I dont see how knowing feners faction could lead him to have any better info than anyone else at this point?

Seems to me like you are trying to steer the ship here?
Are you smelling victory? Im starting to think perhaps you are.

[Galayn Lord]

Ruse, on 23 March 2010 - 10:50 PM, said:

Ok Shadow, in your little summary you state that Eloth had a lot of suspicion of me, yet going through your little barrage of quotes all i could find was a brief comment about why i thought that the inquisition should get rid of Fener, and then a brief mention of me and GL possibly stirring stuff over the Kalse kill. How is this "a lot of suspicion" exactly?

Also why exactly are Eloths suspicions likely to be any more accurate than any of ours, just because he turned out to be an inquisitor doesnt mean he was god. At the moment we can probably assume that Fener isnt one of the starting members of a faction but other than that im not really sure how much stock to put in it.

I see im not the only one who is confounded.



-sorry still catching up

[Galayn Lord]

Shadow, on 23 March 2010 - 11:59 PM, said:

Plus, I really don't see why it's even worth getting into a 'tizzy' over. There are still 6 days of lynches left in the game, counting today. If we assume at least one kill a night for the next 6 nights, we're going to be down to 4 players, and that ignores lynches. Do you really think that saying nothing is going to save them from the axe? They're targets for actions just like the rest of us. I can't very well point out scum 'suspects' without basically saying that everyone outside of the 'suspect' pool is possible Inquisition.

Well, ok this i do sort of agree with...belatedly

[Galayn Lord]

Gamelon, on 24 March 2010 - 12:55 AM, said:

Busy day I see. I am only here for a bit.

Something that I find a little strange is you Omtose. Up till today you have been on less then me. Then as soon as Shadow makes a list of people who Eloth either found suspicious or had some kind of confrontation with you show up and start saying that he is pointing out possible inquisition members. That makes me think that someone that Shadow pointed at is your master. It is easy to cover for your master by saying that they might be a possible inquisition member.

I think that the inquisition members can probably watch out for themselves. It seems to me that the only way they can die is via nk. Which makes me care less about possibly lynching a inquisition member.


I have no idea how much time is left but I am going to eat then come back and take a look at the other people who Shadow pointed out.


Oh and Omtose you confuse me

While i do find Omtose coming out of his shell NOW a bit interesting, im by no means going to start using it to justify what shadow has done!

You dont think anything is wrong with shadow helping the watch pin point inquisition?

[Galayn Lord]

Shadow, on 23 March 2010 - 11:59 PM, said:

Plus, I really don't see why it's even worth getting into a 'tizzy' over. There are still 6 days of lynches left in the game, counting today. If we assume at least one kill a night for the next 6 nights, we're going to be down to 4 players, and that ignores lynches. Do you really think that saying nothing is going to save them from the axe? They're targets for actions just like the rest of us. I can't very well point out scum 'suspects' without basically saying that everyone outside of the 'suspect' pool is possible Inquisition.

Well, ok this i do sort of agree with...belatedly

[Galayn Lord]

Shadow, on 24 March 2010 - 03:04 AM, said:

Vote Galayn Lord

Mostly based upon instinct derived from Eloth's posts.

I'm pretty open with that vote, but for now, there it is.

edit: cross post with Fener, who is a silly person. Still, voting Ruse is tempting, even if he is the highest poster and I really enjoy keeping high posters around.

Your talking about the one line where he mentions that myself and ruse are purposefully sowing confusion?

Wow...

[Galayn Lord]

Shadow, on 24 March 2010 - 03:13 AM, said:

You're welcome to think whatever you want of me, but after 4 nights, the idea that we still have an abundance of RIs is kind of silly, especially when we've seen two of them die. We're borderline into a faction game right now. BCS I see is maybe 4 Inquisition/RIs left.

pretty much just revealed as a watch member here...

[Galayn Lord]

Well ive finished catching up.

anyone around?...

[Galayn Lord]

Shadow, on 24 March 2010 - 05:29 AM, said:

Not unexpected.

Remove Vote
Vote Ruse

Not even sure we'll get a lynch today with the timer being what it is, and even if we do, don't even know that it's going to go through, but since I have 2 votes in a game that has seen several speed lynches, in the interest of self-preservation, and to prove to Fener I have no tie to Ruse, and because Ruse was one of the Eloth's suspects, it seems the only logical thing to do.

If Ruse stated the timer correctly, it's going to be really early for me when it times out, so I may miss it, but I can try to show up early if for some reason GL or someone becomes a viable lynch.

this whole post grates my tits.

First its a OMGUS vote.
AND its self preservation.
AND thirdly he is basing his votes on Eloths suspects which i dont see how all of the sudden eloths suspects are so great?
Why didnt he go after Mockra's?...he was RI...same thing really.

Seems to me shadow is using Eloths posts to contrive something...he really take everything Eloths said at face value as if Eloth was only ever telling the whole truth.
...Bah