[Gamelon]

 Osseric, on 19 March 2010 - 05:50 PM, said:

@ Gamelon and what you are FORGETTING is that at the point that Fener had been lynched the last 2 days, there had been no kills and no loss of balance. Things have changed, time to adapt. You are playing the game as if we are in the same situation that we were in the past 2 days, this isn't the case.

Explain again how my logic is faulty?

If he couldn't be lynch and would pick up a kill for the inquisition then they would have for sure let his day one lynch go through. As for balance I am not worrying about that as it isn't my problem it is the inquisitions. Trying to second guess them is an exercise in futility. Kind of like spending yet another day trying to lynch Fener.

Eddited to change wording to worrying

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 19 March 2010 - 06:18 PM

[Gamelon]

 Shadow, on 19 March 2010 - 05:57 PM, said:

Gamelon, maybe you need a refresher course of your own because I don't think the best way to play this game is to throw accusations at everything that moves. Usually, it's the people you don't see that come back to bite you in the ass. You are definitely a good candidate to be a bedfellow of Fener, but not, IMO, a better one than Mockra.

Sure it is how else to you get enough reactions. Especially when there aren't any lynchs to go off of.

[Tapper]

Ment asked me to provide you with a vote-count when I'm around.
I have no clue how much time is left in the day, but the votes are as follows:

1 vote on Mockra (Shadow)
1 vote on Anthras (Gamelon)
1 vote on Fener (Osseric)

[Shadow]

I miss you already, Tap =(

[Osseric]

I think there are 9 hours left in the day. but i'd have to go back and check.

[Osseric]

 Gamelon, on 19 March 2010 - 05:55 PM, said:

See now you are really going off the deep end. Fener hasn't had any bold play this game. He had a nice rant and that is it. His day one lynch was cause of the Fener alt. Everything else is based off of that.

So his day two claim that he was recruited and that we should lynch him wasn't a bold play? What exactly is your definition of bold?

[Shadow]

Well we still need 8 votes to lynch today. I think it's kind of funny that the only three people with votes are those who are theorized to potentially all be members of the Night Watch.

[D'riss]

Hey, I'm here for a bit.

[D'riss]

 Gamelon, on 19 March 2010 - 05:55 PM, said:

 Osseric, on 19 March 2010 - 05:46 PM, said:

What if Fener is the master? It's a GK game so anything is possible Maybe master's are lynch proof, or must be killed by another leader? that could explain his bold play, or his ability to say he was recruited with no repercutions. (sp) It's a long shot, but I am trying to figure out Fener's motivation here.

See now you are really going off the deep end. Fener hasn't had any bold play this game. He had a nice rant and that is it. His day one lynch was cause of the Fener alt. Everything else is based off of that.

...have we been reading the same thread? If all has gone to Fener's plan, I'd say it's the definition of 'bold'. And if you recall, the one rant was after he got lynched for the second time. I am stumped at how you can chalk all his play up to meta hate. The first two joke votes were, admittedly, but the rest followed after Fener went off the reservation.

[Shadow]

Fener's still alive. I'd say whatever plans he has are working unless his plan really is to die, lol.

[Osseric]

 Gamelon, on 19 March 2010 - 06:03 PM, said:

 Osseric, on 19 March 2010 - 05:50 PM, said:

@ Gamelon and what you are FORGETTING is that at the point that Fener had been lynched the last 2 days, there had been no kills and no loss of balance. Things have changed, time to adapt. You are playing the game as if we are in the same situation that we were in the past 2 days, this isn't the case.

Explain again how my logic is faulty?

If he couldn't be lynch and would pick up a kill for the inquisition then they would have for sure let his day one lynch go through. As for balance I am not worrying about that as it isn't my problem it is the inquisitions. Trying to second guess them is an exercise in futility. Kind of like spending yet another day trying to lynch Fener.

Eddited to change wording to worrying

So if there were 3 inquisitors to start, and assuming, 1 recruit per night, with one death to DW. this would leave us at 3 inquisition, 3 NW and 2 DW (leaders included), that leaves 6 people that are RI/haven't been recruited. These 6 people should be helping the inquisition as much as they can as their current winning condition is contingent upon the Inquisitors winning. (I just don't see how the DW/NW are going to be simultaneously killed). Seeing as you have shown your lack of concern for balance and regard for the inquisitors, i wouldn't be surprised if you got recruited last night, probably by the night watch. Otherwise... what team are you playing for? Keep talking Gamelon, lets see how big of a hole you can dig.

[D'riss]

 Osseric, on 19 March 2010 - 04:53 PM, said:

 Shadow, on 19 March 2010 - 03:22 PM, said:

If people say Anthras has a link to Fener for the commentary about the Mirror, I'd say you HAVE to look at Mockra as a potential leader for basically driving against Kalse yesterday. Kalse died. Hella good chance that's a signal.

Mockra didn't vote Fener yesterday, but had plenty of chances. Here was his last one, when Fener was about L-2 or so.

 Mockra, on 18 March 2010 - 10:10 PM, said:

Hello again.

I don't know, I just can't get the feeling we're walking eyes wide stupid into a Fener vote. Why should we do what any single player wants us to do?

I'll add my vote later if needed, since there is plenty of time. As long as we're all stupid together, that's all right, right?

The Kalse case was flimsy and awkward, and it means Mockra and Kalse were not on the same team, given that Kalse turned out to be factioned. Hell of a lot better chance that Mockra is a leader than Fener is, if we're trying to ID the team.

Vote Mockra

This is a good point. Especially if the leaders can't kill and rely on their recruits to kill for them. Could be Mockra directing his follower who to kill. But thats also assuming that leader and follower can't off thread communicate. iirc from past games, they usually can't. I wouldn't be opposed to a Mockra Lynch at this point.

See, I'm skeptical of that. The distancing was far too awkward and blatant to be a signal, I thought. Plus, he got a ton of flak for it, albeit not many votes. A recruit would have to be an idiot to go for that kill, as it would place Mockra right in the spotlight. Not saying that I wouldn't vote for him, as I think the distancing attempt points to some knowledge of who Kalse was, but I'm skeptical of him being a leader.

[Osseric]

yeah, it was rather clumsy, and as my posts from yesterday state, it seemed more of a Meta thing that Mockra was attacking Kalse...though how anybody could go after our poor little resident lover Tapper is anyone's guess

[Osseric]

 Path-Shaper, on 19 March 2010 - 03:42 AM, said:

so, oddly enough, Fener didn't die (again)

then night came. many did not sleep at night, lots of vegetables being passed to and fro all over the room and such.

and then you woke up, and someone died.

Kalse (Tapper) is dead. He was a Level 5 Dark Other

it is Day 3, 24 hours left.

14 people still alive, need 8 votes to lynch or 7 to go to night.

no one has voted.
-ment

So we have 8 hours and 31 minutes until Deadline... it's friday, unless people start showing up real quick I forsee no lynch today. I am gonna have to bail here and might be able to come back before lynch, depending on my level of drunkeness, so we'll see. I'll be around for a few more minutes now.

Edit: bad maths is bad.

This post has been edited by Osseric: 19 March 2010 - 07:12 PM

[D'riss]

Well, I'll be around for a little bit if anyone wants to talk. I'll just be reading the thread and making some comments.

EDIT: I'd throw my hat onto a Mockra lynch if need be, but I'm wanting to see some more defense from him before I see him lynched, and Gamelon just rang a few bells then, so I'll look at him.

This post has been edited by D'riss: 19 March 2010 - 07:19 PM

[Gamelon]

 Osseric, on 19 March 2010 - 06:57 PM, said:

 Gamelon, on 19 March 2010 - 06:03 PM, said:

 Osseric, on 19 March 2010 - 05:50 PM, said:

@ Gamelon and what you are FORGETTING is that at the point that Fener had been lynched the last 2 days, there had been no kills and no loss of balance. Things have changed, time to adapt. You are playing the game as if we are in the same situation that we were in the past 2 days, this isn't the case.

Explain again how my logic is faulty?

If he couldn't be lynch and would pick up a kill for the inquisition then they would have for sure let his day one lynch go through. As for balance I am not worrying about that as it isn't my problem it is the inquisitions. Trying to second guess them is an exercise in futility. Kind of like spending yet another day trying to lynch Fener.

Eddited to change wording to worrying

So if there were 3 inquisitors to start, and assuming, 1 recruit per night, with one death to DW. this would leave us at 3 inquisition, 3 NW and 2 DW (leaders included), that leaves 6 people that are RI/haven't been recruited. These 6 people should be helping the inquisition as much as they can as their current winning condition is contingent upon the Inquisitors winning. (I just don't see how the DW/NW are going to be simultaneously killed). Seeing as you have shown your lack of concern for balance and regard for the inquisitors, i wouldn't be surprised if you got recruited last night, probably by the night watch. Otherwise... what team are you playing for? Keep talking Gamelon, lets see how big of a hole you can dig.

Oh I am playing for my team. I just suspect that the inquisitors have more information then I do as such they would be better served by me trying to find recruiters rather then stick with someone who they have decided on back to back days not to allow to die. Your second guessing of them makes me question which team your playing for.
Let me see if I understand your reasoning

Day one
We lynch Fener, the Inquisition decides that they want him to live.
No night kills

Day 2
We lynch Fener again.
The inquisition decides that they want him to live again. Basically telling us to fuck off of him. At least that is how I read it. Why else would they keep letting the angry little man stay alive, unless they knew something that we don't. Seeing how they are the inquisition I would be willing to bet that they do.
1 night kill on a Dark guy.

Day 3
You want to try to lynch Fener again, your reasoning is that if he didn't go down the first two times then for sure the inquisition (who you suppose has made a mistake) would be kind enough to kill him cause you think that we are now imbalanced.


First I am not sold on how you are balancing things. Is the balancing done via shear numbers or is it based off of power. I would think that a higher power would be worth more then a low power. So a low power dying doesn't really concern me much. Now if a 3 or 2 had been killed over night I would be much more likely to listen to your reasoning.

I don't know how much more information the inquisition has then me but I know that with out any lynch trains I don't have that much information. Then the only way that I can get information is to press people who a know more then I do or who make comments that I find suspect. Thus my vote on Anthras and my questioning of you.

[Eloth]

I've caught up, but there is some weird reasoning going on around here.

Posts 457 and 466 by Ruse and GL, respectively. Both theorizing on Mockra killing Kalse with Mockra having recruited Kalse on the previous night. Mockra was the only person to vote Kalse and didn't in a poorly defended way and stood out a shit ton for it, then would go and kill recruit for it?

What? This reads like intentional confusing of people by the actual killer, as Mockra would be one of the first candidates after all the day one BS (if I'm remembering correctly, where Kalse was screwing around with him (I might have that backwards)), but the point remains they've been seemingly tied together the whole game. I would be astounded if Mockra was the killer who smoked Kalse for that reason.

Anthras.... I don't know what to think about you. That statement about how we don't know whether he is a recruit or not based solely on his level due to book knowledge absolutely REEKS of muddying the waters to me, just like the statement did yesterday about Fener possibly being the "Mirror" or whatever. Kalse was Daywatch, and that is undeniable. It is day two. Either DW/NW started with 3 players a piece, he is the recruit, or he is the recruiter. If he's the recruiter then DW is in huge trouble, but whatever this number level thing is leads me to believe a recruiter (who is the most important player on each team, imo) would be higher ranked that. The odds are equal to me that it's either a 3 member team with Kalse being an original member, but a lowly ranked one, or he is a first night recruit.

Gamelon: Explain this to my dense head.

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Osseric: I think it's a pretty good bet that Fener is probably part of the inquisition with a role that lets him kill if he gets lynched. Thats where my money is anyway. In that case it's probably a good idea to vote for him, as it empowers the inquisitors.

Gamelon@Osseric: I think that you are very convenently FORGETTING that it is the inquisitors who haven't let him be lynched for the last 2 days. I would think that if he was a member of the inquisition then they would have let the day one lynch go through.

Why, ever, would the inquisition let a lynch go through on themselves? Their VC is survival!

Edit: X-post.

This post has been edited by Eloth: 19 March 2010 - 08:02 PM

[Eloth]

By the by, voting for Fener to me at this point after two sequential failed deaths is basically stalling, and saying recruit away DW/NW. I do agree with Gamelon on that point.

[Gamelon]

 Gamelon, on 19 March 2010 - 05:46 PM, said:

 Osseric, on 19 March 2010 - 04:38 PM, said:

After having some time to think on it, I think it's a pretty good bet that Fener is probably part of the inquisition with a role that lets him kill if he gets lynched. Thats where my money is anyway. In that case it's probably a good idea to vote for him, as it empowers the inquisitors. ( granted this is only if you aren't part of a watch)

Or, conversely, he could be a NW recruit, like he says, and in this case I think the inquisitors would let a lynch go through to rebalance the game. this would be good for all parties involved (NW being the exception)

What we do know, is that as of last night, he wasn't part of the DW.


So.....

vote Fener

this will be the last time I vote him, with the result of this lynch we are getting a ton of information, and, unless you are part of the watch, it really doesn't hurt. Thats a win win.

I think that you are very convenently FORGETTING that it is the inquisitors who haven't let him be lynched for the last 2 days. I would think that if he was a member of the inquisition then they would have let the day one lynch go through.

You don't make any sense osseric, but there has been a lot of people questioning anthras and talking about him. So anthras trys to get out from under with a run down of my posts. Then you come on and try to divert attention away using faulty logic and going after fener.

Nice try, but I think you need a refresher course in symp school.

 Eloth, on 19 March 2010 - 08:01 PM, said:

I've caught up, but there is some weird reasoning going on around here.

Posts 457 and 466 by Ruse and GL, respectively. Both theorizing on Mockra killing Kalse with Mockra having recruited Kalse on the previous night. Mockra was the only person to vote Kalse and didn't in a poorly defended way and stood out a shit ton for it, then would go and kill recruit for it?

What? This reads like intentional confusing of people by the actual killer, as Mockra would be one of the first candidates after all the day one BS (if I'm remembering correctly, where Kalse was screwing around with him (I might have that backwards)), but the point remains they've been seemingly tied together the whole game. I would be astounded if Mockra was the killer who smoked Kalse for that reason.

Anthras.... I don't know what to think about you. That statement about how we don't know whether he is a recruit or not based solely on his level due to book knowledge absolutely REEKS of muddying the waters to me, just like the statement did yesterday about Fener possibly being the "Mirror" or whatever. Kalse was Daywatch, and that is undeniable. It is day two. Either DW/NW started with 3 players a piece, he is the recruit, or he is the recruiter. If he's the recruiter then DW is in huge trouble, but whatever this number level thing is leads me to believe a recruiter (who is the most important player on each team, imo) would be higher ranked that. The odds are equal to me that it's either a 3 member team with Kalse being an original member, but a lowly ranked one, or he is a first night recruit.

Gamelon: Explain this to my dense head.

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Osseric: I think it's a pretty good bet that Fener is probably part of the inquisition with a role that lets him kill if he gets lynched. Thats where my money is anyway. In that case it's probably a good idea to vote for him, as it empowers the inquisitors.

Gamelon@Osseric: I think that you are very convenently FORGETTING that it is the inquisitors who haven't let him be lynched for the last 2 days. I would think that if he was a member of the inquisition then they would have let the day one lynch go through.

Why, ever, would the inquisition let a lynch go through on themselves? Their VC is survival!

Edit: X-post.

Take a look at what Anthras wrote. That was in response to his idea. I underlined it.

I don't think that any inquisition member would let a lynch go through on themselves. But then I don't buy the whole more someone is attacked the stronger they get idea's either.

[D'riss]

 Eloth, on 19 March 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

By the by, voting for Fener to me at this point after two sequential failed deaths is basically stalling, and saying recruit away DW/NW. I do agree with Gamelon on that point.

ARgh, got caught up arguing with this stupid bitch on Facebook. I do agree with this point, though. I don't think third time will be the charm simply because Kalse died. Lynching someone else will give us more info than lynching Fener for the third time, and really, I think that's what he wants us to do.