[Anthras]

here and catching up

[Anthras]

Well I'm wary of bringing in more book info since that doesn't seem to be going well for me, but I see a few people saying that level 5 is or isn't a "likely recruit". Gameplay-wise I suppose that makes sense, you get recruited at a low level and increase in power over time, but canon-wise that's not really correct. Any random person on the street could have the potential to be a Level 1 Mage or a Supreme Succubus, or a Master Devona or what-have-you. When initiated a person does not automatically start at a low level (And let's not bring Arina's/Kostya's magic book into this, which would work that way).

So yeah, it could be that recruits start low-level. Or it could be that each player already has a role with its own pre-determined level, abilities, race, etc and it just becomes available when you're recruited to either side. Or it could be something else completely. I wouldn't get too hung up on the certainty that we can guess when someone was recruited based on their level. We *can* however, accurately say that he most likely wasn't a killer if he was only level 5.

EXCEPT that he was a Dark Other and among the Dark Others is vampires, the exception to all the above rules. They don't really conform to a level 7-1 system, but they do become more powerful the more blood they drink up to an Absolute Vampire (zero-level equivalent). Ideally if they had a different mechanic, though, it'd say in the CF that the person is a Vampire instead of the level.

[Ruse]

That is true but i have trouble believing that any of the original watch members would be as low as rank 5. So im going to stick with the assumption that he was a recruit

[Anthras]

 Ruse, on 19 March 2010 - 02:35 PM, said:

That is true but i have trouble believing that any of the original watch members would be as low as rank 5. So im going to stick with the assumption that he was a recruit

All depends on how the game is supposed to go. I could easily envision a starting setup with each watch having a recruiter (Greater Other) and a finder (Level 5 mage), only getting better roles on the team like a killer (level 1 mage), guard (level 3 mage), etc by recruiting. There might be no increasing in levels at all (and there are definitely plenty of characters in the books that are old yet low-level because their natural limit is level 6 or so)

[Shadow]

If people say Anthras has a link to Fener for the commentary about the Mirror, I'd say you HAVE to look at Mockra as a potential leader for basically driving against Kalse yesterday. Kalse died. Hella good chance that's a signal.

Mockra didn't vote Fener yesterday, but had plenty of chances. Here was his last one, when Fener was about L-2 or so.

 Mockra, on 18 March 2010 - 10:10 PM, said:

Hello again.

I don't know, I just can't get the feeling we're walking eyes wide stupid into a Fener vote. Why should we do what any single player wants us to do?

I'll add my vote later if needed, since there is plenty of time. As long as we're all stupid together, that's all right, right?

The Kalse case was flimsy and awkward, and it means Mockra and Kalse were not on the same team, given that Kalse turned out to be factioned. Hell of a lot better chance that Mockra is a leader than Fener is, if we're trying to ID the team.

Vote Mockra

[Anthras]

Aaaaand my re-read person of the day today will be: Gamelon. He's the 4th lowest poster in the game, currently at 11 posts. Imho, he looks like he could be a scum trying to avoid notice without being a completely no-poster like Spite. Aside from a couple day 1 splam, here's his posts:

 Gamelon, on 17 March 2010 - 04:42 PM, said:

Oh I see that I missed a nice day one speed lynch on Fener. I don't really have anything to add right now. It seems most of the discussion has been about the balance of the game and whether the inquisitors are going to let a lynch go through. My only thought right now is that if they don't let lynches go through this is going to be a long long game.

Nothing to add, vague predilections.

 Gamelon, on 18 March 2010 - 02:29 PM, said:

Personally I am going to ignore Fener and look for players who could be potential watch members. I think that it is more likely that Fener is having a hard time playing and wanting out of the game, and for some perverted reason the inquisition decided not to oblige him. Now he is trying to through every thing and the kitchen sink in to the game to get lynched again.

I find it more interesting that Serc seems to only want to focus on Fener. Constantly talking about how confused he is. That smacks of someone who is trying to keep the topic of conversation away from potential watch members and on an extreme low poster with a connection problem.

Several people were on last night and said that they had suspicions about players but weren't going to post them during the night. Well it is day now so feel free.

Puts his own "let's ignore Fener" bit. Doesn't really matter what side of that fence he's on, but he's saying it and explaining it after many others already have, trying to sound contributive but it's really just repeating others. Throw in a bit on Serc that he can scrounge up, then "open the door" for people to be voicing the suspicions they said they had, not that Gam himself had any.

 Gamelon, on 18 March 2010 - 08:08 PM, said:

[[My mirror post thingy]]

Anthras thank you so much. I have been trying to find something that some one has said that woud thatI find suspicious enough to vote for. Up till now it had looked like a pretty clean game. Now however I think that we have finally seen a glimps of a watch member coming to the defence of a self confessed member of the watch. Now who would do such a thing. I would guess that a recruiter who was afraid to see his newly recruited killer die. Along that vein I would rather lynch a recruiter.

vote anthras

In a bid to want to look avid and important to the RIs tries to get a train going on me. That's all find and dandy, but he's grossly over-inflating the situation in a bid to make it sound more important. "A glimpse of a watch member coming to the defence of a self confessed member of the watch." Really? Who even talks like that...

Of course he's got the logic backwards, because a recruiter wouldn't bother to try and save a brand-new, possibly unpowerful recruit and risk himself doing so rather than just sit back and get another recruit.

 Gamelon, on 18 March 2010 - 10:58 PM, said:

Well if no one is going to vote with me, and Fener is at L-1. Who am I to stand in the way of a Fener lynch.

Remove Vote

Vote Fener

Train fails, doesn't want to be caught not having a vote down again, as that could be suspicious, so hammers.

 Gamelon, on 18 March 2010 - 11:01 PM, said:

Any takers as to whether the inquisition lets him die this time?

 Gamelon, on 19 March 2010 - 01:16 AM, said:

 Eloth, on 18 March 2010 - 11:42 PM, said:

I go away for a couple hours and Fener gets lynched. Again.

Gamelon, if you are still around would you mind answering my earlier question (despite the fact that you removed and hammered)?

I don't buy his whole I used the wrong language defense. Having tried to keep a person alive a time or too myself it looked to me that anthras was doing a good job of tossing random and confusing information into the fray. That is a classic move to distract people from a potential lynch target. It looked like anthras was doing a good job of trying to be helpful while also doing something that most players would dismiss as coming from a master or recruiter. It is a dangerous play, but if the watch's didn't start off with killers and they are only able to recruit one that one being (perhaps) the first recruit. Then I could see a master/recruiter being willing to try a dangerious and tricky gambit in order to keep that person alive.

Ah, yes, now that he's called on it he tries to come up with a good explanation of his earlier logic. Don't see why he couldn't have tried to explain it earlier when he made the train but can now that he's removed and switched.





aaaand, just to make this even more ridiculous, some (very unlikely) back-and-forth signaling from Gam and Mockra. Don't take this one too seriously.

 Gamelon, on 16 March 2010 - 02:30 PM, said:

 Mockra, on 16 March 2010 - 02:27 PM, said:

Locking it would be best. And then delete my dumbness.

But that would leave you a vegetable!!!!

 Gamelon, on 18 March 2010 - 02:23 PM, said:

 Mockra, on 18 March 2010 - 02:20 PM, said:

sitting here with a finger up my butt!

These are really too easy from you Mockra.

 Gamelon, on 18 March 2010 - 02:29 PM, said:

 Mockra, on 18 March 2010 - 02:25 PM, said:

You're being so helpful Gamelon! Here I am, a vegetable, with a finger up my butt, and I'm still more interesting than you.

Only if you are putting a big finger up there.

[Gamelon]

Anthras nice that you are doing a reread of one of the two people who voted for you yesterday. Who was the other guy? Oh right Kalse. I guess you took care of him last night. So no worries on that front, right!
Well I haven't seen anything to make me change my mind about who I think you are. Now that it is obvious that fener is some one the inquisition wants to live. Perhaps we can move on to trying to take out a recruiter. As for my amount of posts I told ment I would be a very low poster, but he needed bodies. I think that with as busy as I am I am doing an increadible job of playing.

vote anthras

[Osseric]

After having some time to think on it, I think it's a pretty good bet that Fener is probably part of the inquisition with a role that lets him kill if he gets lynched. Thats where my money is anyway. In that case it's probably a good idea to vote for him, as it empowers the inquisitors. ( granted this is only if you aren't part of a watch)

Or, conversely, he could be a NW recruit, like he says, and in this case I think the inquisitors would let a lynch go through to rebalance the game. this would be good for all parties involved (NW being the exception)

What we do know, is that as of last night, he wasn't part of the DW.


So.....

vote Fener

this will be the last time I vote him, with the result of this lynch we are getting a ton of information, and, unless you are part of the watch, it really doesn't hurt. Thats a win win.

[Osseric]

Regarding Anthras, My take is that he was bringing more info to the table and making us aware of a possible role. I didn't find anything necessarily scummy about what he did, and I can't see a situation in which a Master, would so blatently symp one of his recruits.

[Osseric]

 Shadow, on 19 March 2010 - 03:22 PM, said:

If people say Anthras has a link to Fener for the commentary about the Mirror, I'd say you HAVE to look at Mockra as a potential leader for basically driving against Kalse yesterday. Kalse died. Hella good chance that's a signal.

Mockra didn't vote Fener yesterday, but had plenty of chances. Here was his last one, when Fener was about L-2 or so.

 Mockra, on 18 March 2010 - 10:10 PM, said:

Hello again.

I don't know, I just can't get the feeling we're walking eyes wide stupid into a Fener vote. Why should we do what any single player wants us to do?

I'll add my vote later if needed, since there is plenty of time. As long as we're all stupid together, that's all right, right?

The Kalse case was flimsy and awkward, and it means Mockra and Kalse were not on the same team, given that Kalse turned out to be factioned. Hell of a lot better chance that Mockra is a leader than Fener is, if we're trying to ID the team.

Vote Mockra

This is a good point. Especially if the leaders can't kill and rely on their recruits to kill for them. Could be Mockra directing his follower who to kill. But thats also assuming that leader and follower can't off thread communicate. iirc from past games, they usually can't. I wouldn't be opposed to a Mockra Lynch at this point.

[Shadow]

Osseric, I'm glad I'm not the only person who thinks the same things about the game... that it may still be a good idea to keep lynching Fener in the interests of preserving balance. I had definitely considered he could be inquisition, but hadn't really figured that he may gain a power from his kill any more than I had considered him to be a 'mirror,' a theory which I find less plausible than before.

Of course, there's a part of me that just wants to try and lynch the master, but I'm also OK with voting Fener today, again. Which is amusing considered how much of a waste I thought it was yesterday.

As for Gamelon, I think it's about as good of a case as you can possibly construct on a low-poster who has previously voted you. That is to say, I can't help but feel you're grasping a bit at empty air, Anthras, mostly because he voted for you. Even if we voted him for potentially being scum, is he linked to Fener (he didn't vote Fener yesterday)? And is it really more likely that he's Fener's master than Mockra? Just my 2c.

[Osseric]

lonely thread is lonely

[Shadow]

Don't be sad! Shadow is here to cheer you up!

[Osseric]

What if Fener is the master? It's a GK game so anything is possible Maybe master's are lynch proof, or must be killed by another leader? that could explain his bold play, or his ability to say he was recruited with no repercutions. (sp) It's a long shot, but I am trying to figure out Fener's motivation here.

[Gamelon]

 Osseric, on 19 March 2010 - 04:38 PM, said:

After having some time to think on it, I think it's a pretty good bet that Fener is probably part of the inquisition with a role that lets him kill if he gets lynched. Thats where my money is anyway. In that case it's probably a good idea to vote for him, as it empowers the inquisitors. ( granted this is only if you aren't part of a watch)

Or, conversely, he could be a NW recruit, like he says, and in this case I think the inquisitors would let a lynch go through to rebalance the game. this would be good for all parties involved (NW being the exception)

What we do know, is that as of last night, he wasn't part of the DW.


So.....

vote Fener

this will be the last time I vote him, with the result of this lynch we are getting a ton of information, and, unless you are part of the watch, it really doesn't hurt. Thats a win win.

I think that you are very convenently FORGETTING that it is the inquisitors who haven't let him be lynched for the last 2 days. I would think that if he was a member of the inquisition then they would have let the day one lynch go through.

You don't make any sense osseric, but there has been a lot of people questioning anthras and talking about him. So anthras trys to get out from under with a run down of my posts. Then you come on and try to divert attention away using faulty logic and going after fener.

Nice try, but I think you need a refresher course in symp school.

[Shadow]

 Osseric, on 19 March 2010 - 05:46 PM, said:

What if Fener is the master? It's a GK game so anything is possible Maybe master's are lynch proof, or must be killed by another leader? that could explain his bold play, or his ability to say he was recruited with no repercutions. (sp) It's a long shot, but I am trying to figure out Fener's motivation here.

If masters are lynch proof AND a 3rd party gets to evaluate if a lynch goes through, I'm gonna call that a broken mechanic

Fener's motivation is he doesn't have a lot of time to play, he's just naturally an angry person, and those two have combined to produce a lethal cocktail.

[Osseric]

@ Gamelon and what you are FORGETTING is that at the point that Fener had been lynched the last 2 days, there had been no kills and no loss of balance. Things have changed, time to adapt. You are playing the game as if we are in the same situation that we were in the past 2 days, this isn't the case.

Explain again how my logic is faulty?

[Osseric]

 Shadow, on 19 March 2010 - 05:49 PM, said:

 Osseric, on 19 March 2010 - 05:46 PM, said:

What if Fener is the master? It's a GK game so anything is possible Maybe master's are lynch proof, or must be killed by another leader? that could explain his bold play, or his ability to say he was recruited with no repercutions. (sp) It's a long shot, but I am trying to figure out Fener's motivation here.

If masters are lynch proof AND a 3rd party gets to evaluate if a lynch goes through, I'm gonna call that a broken mechanic

Fener's motivation is he doesn't have a lot of time to play, he's just naturally an angry person, and those two have combined to produce a lethal cocktail.

Yeah, like I said, long shot. Just spitballin here

[Gamelon]

 Osseric, on 19 March 2010 - 05:46 PM, said:

What if Fener is the master? It's a GK game so anything is possible Maybe master's are lynch proof, or must be killed by another leader? that could explain his bold play, or his ability to say he was recruited with no repercutions. (sp) It's a long shot, but I am trying to figure out Fener's motivation here.

See now you are really going off the deep end. Fener hasn't had any bold play this game. He had a nice rant and that is it. His day one lynch was cause of the Fener alt. Everything else is based off of that.

[Shadow]

Gamelon, maybe you need a refresher course of your own because I don't think the best way to play this game is to throw accusations at everything that moves. Usually, it's the people you don't see that come back to bite you in the ass. You are definitely a good candidate to be a bedfellow of Fener, but not, IMO, a better one than Mockra.