[Shadow]

Also, for those interested, yes my powers were stripped. I went from having a 12-inch wang to only 9 inches. Mrs Shadow will be very upset, you bullies .

About GL this post semi-gives it away, for me. Without getting into a discussion of PMs, GL clearly doesn't know something that most of us probably do. The only problem is that I think GL may have 4 or even 5 people, meaning he can just vote night.

Galayn Lord, on 25 March 2010 - 12:49 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 25 March 2010 - 12:15 PM, said:

yawn
all people who are not lynched ahave their powers removed-thats teh choice Inquisition makes.

I thought we specified it somewhere in the beginning.

erm.... huh?

ok well thats news to me

[Serc]

The light others have been pretty inconspicous in their absence, I agree. Not really sure what we can infer from that without knowing what's going on behind the scenes.

The removal of power mechanic is very interesting, and its omission probably changed the nature of the game a little. Lynching Fener twice seems a little silly in retrospect considering he lost whatever powers he might have had on day one. I'm not sure if we'll get mod clarification on this - do the inquisition also lose their powers if they are lynched? And if an RI is left alive after a lynch and then recruited later, will he still get powers, or does he lose them pre-emptively?

While I agree we shouldn't ignore Shadow outright, considering the fact that he's now powerless and is most likely a dark other I think it's reasonably safe to put him on the back-burner for now.

D'riss was one of the people I had pegged as RI, not sure what he did to attract a night kill.

[Ruse]

Shadow, on 25 March 2010 - 03:46 PM, said:

Also, for those interested, yes my powers were stripped. I went from having a 12-inch wang to only 9 inches. Mrs Shadow will be very upset, you bullies .

About GL this post semi-gives it away, for me. Without getting into a discussion of PMs, GL clearly doesn't know something that most of us probably do. The only problem is that I think GL may have 4 or even 5 people, meaning he can just vote night.

Galayn Lord, on 25 March 2010 - 12:49 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 25 March 2010 - 12:15 PM, said:

yawn
all people who are not lynched ahave their powers removed-thats teh choice Inquisition makes.

I thought we specified it somewhere in the beginning.

erm.... huh?

ok well thats news to me

Errrrm i definitely didnt know about the power stripping thing, so i dont see how this confirms he's leader of NW although i do think he could be as he's not one of the people id pegged as RI

[Osseric]

ok, so...D'riss was another Dark other.. that makes 3. I am assuming that unless morgoth was their leader... (maybe higher numbers offset lower powers, which I doubt), that there is still 1 DW still running around. Nevermind, there has to be or DW would have won already.

If there are an equal number of NW, that would be 4.

Assuming 2 inquisition left... 1 maybe... puts us at 6-7 that leaves maybe 1-2 unrecruited. thats only if there were no overlapping recruits, every other day recruiting/killing, so could bump that number up to 2-4.

So I am going to focus my attention on getting NW (dur) and preferably the leader


The issue I keep running into is... even if we have people lynched and not killed, they might be recruited later down the line, and in fact would make good recruits. but what we do know is that:

Fener: is likely not a leader (I suppose he could be DW leader, but not likely).
Shadow: is likely not the DW leader.

That leaves us with:

Me: nope, some pressure by gamelon, and Serc. At this point I am still playing for the inquisitors.
Alkend: (who knows, and honestly, I would be willing to lynch him as he is, not helping us at all) is he a leader? could be. inquisitor? could be. I have no clue.
Serc: pretty sure he started RI, pretty sure he has been recruited. I could use him as a fall back vote if we are nowhere close to finding the NW lead, as with the amount of DW dead, he is likely a NW recruit.
Gaylord: another enigma, I thought he wasn't a leader, but now I am second guessing myself. He has stayed non-commital, has muddied the waters a bit, and just kinda sat back and posted. He was also on Eloth's watch list. He could be a leader.
Omtose: Not much to go on here, I could, see him as being a leader , he has played like someone who hasn't been recruited as of yeasterday, which could also lend itself to being a leader.
Ruse: I have a hard time thinking that someone as talkative as him is a leader, he had good insight, he was on Eloth's watch list
Gamelon: Could be a leader, could be inquisitor. He was right about not re-lynching Fener ( thats what me and him fought about, in retrospect, glad we didn't).


So for me possible leaders are: (in my suspected order)

Alkend
Gaylord
Omtose
Gamelon


For now, as he has been the most enigmatic, the least around, and the least productive:

vote Alkend

yeah yeah yeah, take the easy way out, vote for the guy thats not around, but of my 4 suspects he would fit my profile for being a low laying lead. and one who lets his minions do the dirty work. NW has a substantial lead and there is no reason for NW leader to stick his neck out.

I could vote GL but I find it more likely he is the DW lead as he has played very smooth, and very non controversial, like he is trying not to get lynched.


Sorry for mega post. time I have will be in spurts today.

Edit: dammit... changed NW to DW

This post has been edited by Osseric: 25 March 2010 - 04:30 PM

[Shadow]

Well honestly, Ruse, anybody that acts like RI are still around in this game is clearly lying or fooling themselves. We've had 5 days of recruits... that's 10 recruit attempts when each leader probably had 13 people to choose from (assuming he started with one flunky). There will be some overlap, or a leader recruiting a player who was already recruited, or recruiting someone who gets killed, etc, but I would be surprised if more than one RI is still around.

edit: crosspost with MEGAPOST.

This post has been edited by Shadow: 25 March 2010 - 04:28 PM

[Osseric]

Shadow, on 25 March 2010 - 04:27 PM, said:

Well honestly, Ruse, anybody that acts like RI are still around in this game is clearly lying or fooling themselves. We've had 5 days of recruits... that's 10 recruit attempts when each leader probably had 13 people to choose from (assuming he started with one flunky). There will be some overlap, or a leader recruiting a player who was already recruited, or recruiting someone who gets killed, etc, but I would be surprised if more than one RI is still around.

edit: crosspost with MEGAPOST.

Unless they really haven't been... you seem privy to information about the start that I don't have.


Based on the new info PS just gave us, ( Which really did make the double Fener lynch pointless....) I don't, necessarily think that the main leaders started with a flunky. If all the RI's have some kind of power, wouldn't it make more sense for them to have to recruit their Flunkies?

[Shadow]

Well, the problem I have with that is I still think the Anthras lynch is evidence that the Inquisition do NOT learn information about the lynched person before they make their decision. They may learn afterwards, as indicated based upon Eloth's comments, but the fact that D'rek tried to throw herself on the company sword and they let it go through, to me, is evidence that they just don't know until the dust settles.

So if the game started with 1 recruiter only on each side, then a single wrong lynch and the Inquisition letting it go through would mean the game immediately ends. I find a scenario with a backup member who would take over for the recruiter should he die early to be a more more likely scenario to prevent that kind of fluke.

[Omtose]

General King, on 15 March 2010 - 06:59 PM, said:

When you are recruited you will get a pm stating who has recruited you and your powers and so forth.

This would imply that you gain powers when recruited. So, the everyone starts with a power comment by PS would imply to me that we all have a passive power that is activated upon lynching.

Since we heard nothing about powers stripped before Shadow, it seems likely he was a power to start or recruited.

[Shadow]

You are reading way too much into a scene write, or being intentionally naive. GK handled the first lynch so he wrote out a whole piece. Ment handled the second Fener lynch and it was more of a "hey look he didn't die again" comment. Mockra wasn't lynched. Anthras was lynched and successfully died. I was the first person, other than Fener, to be lynched, in which Ment wrote the original scene for it. You're trying to draw a conclusion based upon those facts.

edit: fixed my fail grammar

This post has been edited by Shadow: 25 March 2010 - 05:10 PM

[Osseric]

Also, Shadow, if NW has as many recruits as you say, (5?) they would be voting night right now, clearly no lynch would go through that would benifit them so with the majority, a night vote would have already happened.

Not saying I don't agree with you, but I had GL as the DW lead, I might be willing to hop on over. That being said, even if they only have 4... well, it's gonna be hell trying to get a lynch on the real NW leader.

[Omtose]

Shadow, on 25 March 2010 - 05:09 PM, said:

You are reading way too much into a scene write, or being intentionally naive. GK handled the first lynch so he wrote out a whole piece. Ment handled the second Fener lynch and it was more of a "hey look he didn't die again" comment. Mockra wasn't lynched. Anthras was lynched and successfully died. I was the first person, other than Fener, to be lynched, in which Ment wrote the original scene for it. You're trying to draw a conclusion based upon those facts.

edit: fixed my fail grammar

Well, you would say that.

But I think it would be stupid to ignore what the mods write, and you are the first one to have had the power strip message.

[Ruse]

Omtose, on 25 March 2010 - 04:59 PM, said:

General King, on 15 March 2010 - 06:59 PM, said:

When you are recruited you will get a pm stating who has recruited you and your powers and so forth.

This would imply that you gain powers when recruited. So, the everyone starts with a power comment by PS would imply to me that we all have a passive power that is activated upon lynching.

Since we heard nothing about powers stripped before Shadow, it seems likely he was a power to start or recruited.

Well im not sure if we can assume that just because it said hed had his powers stripped that he had any in the first place (because it could have been a stroyline thing about latent powers) but i will agree that he was almost definitely not an RI as of yesterday, whether he started as such im not sure about but im pretty sure he was roled yesterday.

On the DW possibly voting night i doubt there going to because of the chance that they havent managed to get enough recruits.

[Shadow]

Yep, I'm fully aware of that fact. But keep in mind that the only way to vote night at this point is for either a recruit to get ballsy and just try it out and see if anyone follows, or wait for the leader to come on and direct his team to do so. Of course, that just highlights the team for everyone else, and that means that team will probably be getting hit by all kinds of NAs, since they don't win with a majority... they win by destroying the other watch.

So really, voting night seems unlikely even if they have 5, as does lynching the true master, but hard-to-lynch players should give us a clue where the master may lie.

edit: big crosspost, this was @Osseric

This post has been edited by Shadow: 25 March 2010 - 05:19 PM

[Omtose]

Osseric, on 25 March 2010 - 05:11 PM, said:

Also, Shadow, if NW has as many recruits as you say, (5?) they would be voting night right now, clearly no lynch would go through that would benifit them so with the majority, a night vote would have already happened.

Not necessarily.

After all, if they vote night, they're basically admitting who they are on thread.

They then have to guess who the remaining DW are, while the DW knows who they all are. And since the DW would be more likely to hit NW in that situation, the thread would probably soon return to the state where they would be stopped from night voting, and the DW would have the advantage of knowing who the NW are.

Also, it's entirely possible they don't all know every member of the teams(cults usually don't) so the leader would probably have to start the night vote, making the DWs advantage larger.

X-post with shadow...

This post has been edited by Omtose: 25 March 2010 - 05:20 PM

[Shadow]

Omtose, on 25 March 2010 - 05:16 PM, said:

Shadow, on 25 March 2010 - 05:09 PM, said:

You are reading way too much into a scene write, or being intentionally naive. GK handled the first lynch so he wrote out a whole piece. Ment handled the second Fener lynch and it was more of a "hey look he didn't die again" comment. Mockra wasn't lynched. Anthras was lynched and successfully died. I was the first person, other than Fener, to be lynched, in which Ment wrote the original scene for it. You're trying to draw a conclusion based upon those facts.

edit: fixed my fail grammar

Well, you would say that.

But I think it would be stupid to ignore what the mods write, and you are the first one to have had the power strip message.

I think it would stupid to ignore the fact that I'm only the second player lynched that wasn't actually lynched.

But it's pretty clear you're trying to get me killed by someone on your team since I sincerely doubt you're going to lynch me again.

edit: also a crosspost with you (Omtose) saying what I just said a bit ago. Voting night is, in retrospect, not going to happen because it puts a flare over your entire team and almost certainly signals your leader.

This post has been edited by Shadow: 25 March 2010 - 05:23 PM

[Osseric]

Fair enough, I am willing to give it a try then,

remove vote

vote Gaylord

It's going to be a bitch to get him lynched if he is the leader, if he isn't the leader, then it will probably go through with minimal resistance. I do have him as one of my leads and then there is a quote that struck me a while ago from him, I am gonna go back and see if I can find it.

[Osseric]

ok, is it me, or does this whole string of posts sound like a leader talking with a subordinate on thread? Basically discussing who could be the other leader? I don't know, thats what I thought when I was doing a re-read yesterday.

Galayn Lord, on 24 March 2010 - 08:39 AM, said:

Well i think that shadow is most likley a watch member, i have no idea which watch but definitely a watch.
Shadow had some mild words with kalse if i look back.
So i could see him being in NW...but then i can easily see him in DW too.
I suppose we should just leave that decision up the the inquisition.


edit - ps 12 posts in a row....i think ill wait for some company before i post again this is ridiculous

Serc, on 24 March 2010 - 09:30 AM, said:

I'm back for a short while. I don't really agree with Shadow's play at the moment, he's being pretty scummy - especially his last post where he concedes my point, but decides to leave his vote where it is. Ruse has what, two votes? How is that the most likely lynch?

Thing is though, he seems more likely to be a recruit than anything else. If he's nightwatch lynching him will help with the balance a little sure, but we can't really tell and I still think looking for recruiters is the better option. Sorry I dont have much time at the moment to do exactly that.

Serc, on 24 March 2010 - 10:53 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 24 March 2010 - 09:37 AM, said:

Serc, on 24 March 2010 - 09:30 AM, said:

I'm back for a short while. I don't really agree with Shadow's play at the moment, he's being pretty scummy - especially his last post where he concedes my point, but decides to leave his vote where it is. Ruse has what, two votes? How is that the most likely lynch?

Thing is though, he seems more likely to be a recruit than anything else. If he's nightwatch lynching him will help with the balance a little sure, but we can't really tell and I still think looking for recruiters is the better option. Sorry I dont have much time at the moment to do exactly that.

well thats pretty much why i havent put my vote on him yet.
I could go for ruse, he could be a leader but then again i dont see a leader being such a high poster!

Shadow would be a safe bet on getting in a Watch lynch however.
Even if he most likely is not going to be a leader.

so I dunno...

Shadow is more likely to be a leader than Ruse, but I highly doubt either of them are.

Galayn Lord, on 24 March 2010 - 11:01 AM, said:

Serc, on 24 March 2010 - 10:53 AM, said:

Shadow is more likely to be a leader than Ruse, but I highly doubt either of them are.

what makes you think that?
I get the impression that ruse knows allot more than he lets on.

But that could just be his knowledge of the books thats making me feel that way.

[Osseric]

Also, that last quote he could be signaling to Serc that he has Ruse under his belt and that he shouldn't put too much thought into worrying about him.

[Omtose]

Shadow, on 25 March 2010 - 05:20 PM, said:

Omtose, on 25 March 2010 - 05:16 PM, said:

Shadow, on 25 March 2010 - 05:09 PM, said:

You are reading way too much into a scene write, or being intentionally naive. GK handled the first lynch so he wrote out a whole piece. Ment handled the second Fener lynch and it was more of a "hey look he didn't die again" comment. Mockra wasn't lynched. Anthras was lynched and successfully died. I was the first person, other than Fener, to be lynched, in which Ment wrote the original scene for it. You're trying to draw a conclusion based upon those facts.

edit: fixed my fail grammar

Well, you would say that.

But I think it would be stupid to ignore what the mods write, and you are the first one to have had the power strip message.

I think it would stupid to ignore the fact that I'm only the second player lynched that wasn't actually lynched.

But it's pretty clear you're trying to get me killed by someone on your team since I sincerely doubt you're going to lynch me again.

edit: also a crosspost with you (Omtose) saying what I just said a bit ago. Voting night is, in retrospect, not going to happen because it puts a flare over your entire team and almost certainly signals your leader.

And the first didn't get the power strip message...

What is clear is that you are interpretting everything I say through a haze of tunnel vision. You have decided I am scum and are trying to make everything I say fit to that.

My point was that since you are probably not RI, what you say should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Yes, I think lynching you would be without point. The stretch to "OMG, master signalling" is rather ridiculous though.

[Omtose]

It's also possible they were defending ruse. For example the "I doubt a leader would be a high poster" stuff.