[Galayn Lord]

Could Shadow have come out and intentionally put the light on himself to make us forget about the whole D'riss thing yesterday?

[Galayn Lord]

 Fener, on 24 March 2010 - 03:31 PM, said:

From phone...

I meant ruse and serc. ....not ruse and shadow.

Looking over the last few hours I would probably add gl to. That list as well....and before everyone szyz I am symping shadow...I respond with this. ...

Shadow called attention to 5 or 6 possible inquisitors.....thatz not as big of a deal as it is being made our to be....and with the backlash that ensued...I think its possible he might have hit on something important

3 inquisitors actually...naming YOU as one of them. Allong with Omtose and Osseric.
how nice for you...

He is getting a "backlash" because there is no point in doing what he did...there is no reason an inno would want the inquisitors exposed.
Makes no sense.

[Ruse]

 Galayn Lord, on 24 March 2010 - 03:32 PM, said:

Could Shadow have come out and intentionally put the light on himself to make us forget about the whole D'riss thing yesterday?

Thats the only person i can really think of who might be under pressure, and it sort of fits with his badgering me about why i was a bit suspicious of him, but im not really sure there was enough pressure on D'riss to justify the splurge of posts by shadow

[Galayn Lord]

The way i see it...
We have Fener and Gamelon who dont care about the whole inquisitor thing and dont care about Shadows case at all really.
and we pretty much everyone else who find what he said weird/scummy.

They have not commented much on shadows actual case. Thats not the issue.
they are going purely on the REACTION to his case. And using that as a basis for their claims?

But...why are they not even looking at the fucking case? If they would look they should also agree thats its bogus...but they blindly ignore it and attack his attackers.
Shadow came out pretty much saying that whoever Eloth looked at is probably watch members.
how he figures that is beyond me, as far as we know the watch know as much about anyone that has not gone up for a lynch as any other RI. It would be too unbalanced otherwise.
So what makes his suspects so flippen special all of the sudden?
His case was rubbish, and ontop of that it is detrimental to the inno's and inquesition.

Everyone comes on and starts asking questions about shadows case and motives...exept Gamelpon and Fener.
I find this strange.
There could very well be a leader in those three (shadow, Gamelon and Fener)... ithe puzzle doesnt fit perfectly, but there IS a puzzle.
Im sure its just some good distancing somewhere that is messing with me.

Vote Shadow

he has come up in almost every scenario i can think of.
From being the leader, to being a symp making a noise in order to take the limelight off of someone like D'riss.

Placing my vote because I have to leave and probably wont be back till after day ends.
I can try be back a lil later with my phone but thats a hit and miss whether the post will actualy appear on the board or not.

cheers

[Serc]

Extension is good, having it be night through the busiest part of the day would have sucked.

Personally I'm not seeing shadow as a leader. I think there's a pretty good chance he's a member of one of the watches, so in a worst case scenario I will add my vote in the hopes we balance out the factions a little, but I'm not convinced he's the best lynch today.

[Omtose]

 Gamelon, on 24 March 2010 - 12:55 AM, said:

I think that the inquisition members can probably watch out for themselves. It seems to me that the only way they can die is via nk. Which makes me care less about possibly lynching a inquisition member.

Gamelon, you do realise that this agrees with me, and disagrees with shadow?

Shadow says one of his reasons for potentially outing the Inquisition is to avoid potentially harming them.
You say you aren't worried about lynching them(as does shadow, later on), and NKs are more of a threat.

So tell me. If we are not a threat to the inquisition because we can't lynch them anyhow, then surely the worst thing we could do is to point them out to the people who can kill them with NKs.

What you have listed is one of the reasons that exposing the inquisition helps the scum far more than it does us, and so rather than refuting what I said, agrees with it.

[Osseric]

Good to see we got an extension. I was without net after work and couldn't log on.Looks like i ave 2-3 pages to catch up on.

[Gamelon]

The fundamental difference between how you see shadows posts and how I do is that you believe that he is actually trying to point out the inquisition members. While I see his posts content as irrelevant and am purely looking at the reaction that they have generated. I also don't think that shadow is a recruiter/master he is probably either a recruit or a ri following in anthras's footsteps.


Edit: to add recruiter/master

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 24 March 2010 - 05:50 PM

[Osseric]

 Shadow, on 24 March 2010 - 03:13 AM, said:

You're welcome to think whatever you want of me, but after 4 nights, the idea that we still have an abundance of RIs is kind of silly, especially when we've seen two of them die. We're borderline into a faction game right now. BCS I see is maybe 4 Inquisition/RIs left.

Got up to this point.

After this post, as well as his posts somewhat directing people towards the inquisition, I would be surprised if shadow hasn't been recruited.

[Shadow]

Lot of meetings, but I'm back and really don't have anything extra to add and it's pretty much going to be me lynched today since nobody really cares about Ruse, unless some of these theories about "my master' start coming into focus. I've heard theories about Osseric and about D'riss, so if there's a desire to lynch in that direction, I'd be fine with that. I already said my vote was fluid, and right now it feels lot more like I'm digging a hole than offering a defense.

I know some people like Omtose are going to say that if I can't offer a defense then I'm clearly scum, but really, in Mafia, when minds are made up, it can be very hard for players to not immediately assume everything said is done so in a scummy context. If we look at Anthras yesterday, you'd be hard-pressed to find a single person that didn't say she slipped up big time and then, lo and behold, RI bye bye.

So, rather than 'imploding' or whatnot, I'll just hang around and answer your questions and hope you realize I'm not worth the vote.

[Osseric]

 Serc, on 24 March 2010 - 06:59 AM, said:

 Shadow, on 24 March 2010 - 06:16 AM, said:

Well, I'm not sure about a 'roled' analysis, but if you re-read my assessment, it's pretty clear that Ruse is not on Eloth's team, which makes it a fairly decent bet for a non inquisition lynch, IMO.

Ok, but we dont need to be looking for non-inquisition, we need to be looking for Nightwatch recruiter... I was going to say that I thought you and D'riss likely started as RI, as well as Gam and Ruse. Now I'm not sure about you - I'm not sure you'd be pushing a lynch on Ruse if you saw what you purported to see yesterday. It's fairly obvious Ruse isn't inquisition, but it's fairly obvious he isnt a recruiter either, which is where I believe we need to be looking.

Got a meeting now, need to think about this some more.

underlined mine- I agree with this post, it does us no good to look for people who aren't the inquisition or a recruiter, a Ruse lynch would only benefit us if we KNEW that he was on the NW. At this point we can't know that, so I fail to see what a Ruse lynch would do.

@Serc- for someone who said they don't want to be bringing RI pm's into the fray you sure do seem to mention it almost every post. Do I know you are RI.. I am 98% sure. I saw what you saw, and every other RI saw if the same PM was sent. But in following your logic you risk outing the remaining inquisitors on thread, as well as the recruiters and or killers. If you have been recruited I can see this being a good thing, as you can help point out potential inquisitors/competition, but if you haven't been recruited yet, then all you are really doing is pointing out inquisitor possibilities to the killers. Think a little, there are reasons for being purposefully vague. Actually, based on this I would be very surprised if you haven't been recruited yet.

[Osseric]

 Shadow, on 24 March 2010 - 06:11 PM, said:

Lot of meetings, but I'm back and really don't have anything extra to add and it's pretty much going to be me lynched today since nobody really cares about Ruse, unless some of these theories about "my master' start coming into focus. I've heard theories about Osseric and about D'riss, so if there's a desire to lynch in that direction, I'd be fine with that. I already said my vote was fluid, and right now it feels lot more like I'm digging a hole than offering a defense.

I know some people like Omtose are going to say that if I can't offer a defense then I'm clearly scum, but really, in Mafia, when minds are made up, it can be very hard for players to not immediately assume everything said is done so in a scummy context. If we look at Anthras yesterday, you'd be hard-pressed to find a single person that didn't say she slipped up big time and then, lo and behold, RI bye bye.

So, rather than 'imploding' or whatnot, I'll just hang around and answer your questions and hope you realize I'm not worth the vote.

Honestly, I don't think you are a recruiter. But I am probably going to throw a vote because


1. it looks like it's going to be the only lynch possible.
2. If you are an inquisitor, while being a wasted vote you won't die
3. If you are RI you probably won't die, as you haven't tried a D'rekish fake reveal
4. If you are NW you will Die
5. If you are DW you won't die.



1-4 are all good things that give us information. 5 is the one thing that could throw us for a loop. But at least we know if you have been recruited, you are more than likely DW.

[Shadow]

Fair 'nuff, although FWIW, if I'm going to end up being lynched, if the Inquisition kills me, then I'm going to be kind of annoyed that we extended the day because it will have resulted in my demise. This is a pretty fun game.

[Osseric]

 Fener, on 24 March 2010 - 03:31 PM, said:

From phone...

I meant ruse and serc. ....not ruse and shadow.

Looking over the last few hours I would probably add gl to. That list as well....and before everyone szyz I am symping shadow...I respond with this. ...

Shadow called attention to 5 or 6 possible inquisitors.....thatz not as big of a deal as it is being made our to be....and with the backlash that ensued...I think its possible he might have hit on something important

This post makes a good point. While Shadow's case did give a general direction to who the inquisitors might be... it didn't single anyone out and all the speculation was taken off of Eloth's posts only.

And look at the Hornet's nest it stirred up. I mean, it got OMtose to go from low low poster to: OMG blocks-o-text!

[Osseric]

 Shadow, on 24 March 2010 - 06:55 PM, said:

Fair 'nuff, although FWIW, if I'm going to end up being lynched, if the Inquisition kills me, then I'm going to be kind of annoyed that we extended the day because it will have resulted in my demise. This is a pretty fun game.

Yeah, but like you pointed out earlier, with one kill a night, and 5 nights left, that leaves only 4-5 people left, WITHOUT lynches. I don't think that with the numbers falling so fast, that the inquisition would let you die if you are actually RI. I think Anthras screwed herself with her fake reveal BS. The inquisitors couldn't be sure in a TMDI 7+ that there would be a screwy mechanic.

[Ruse]

 Shadow, on 23 March 2010 - 04:42 PM, said:

Overall, I get pretty much the following... maybe it's not best to state all of this info, but some of it conflicts with each other. I'm ignoring dead players at this point, since we already know them.

• Lynching Fener is pointless, it won't go through. Possible Inquisition or knows he is RI?
• He's REALLY chummy with Osseric. Possible Inquisition or knows he is RI?
  • Osseric was not a big Fener fan, so the above two conflict.
• He was fairly chummy with Omtose on Day 1/2. Possible Inquisition or knows he's RI?
• He has a lot of suspicion of Gamelon, Ruse, and Galayn Lord.
• He seemed to indicate that he can control his own lynch.
• He seemed to indicate that he learned information from a lynch, even if one didn't occur.
• He seems to be at odds with Anthras's mechanics discussion about the Mirror and lynch control, indicating he may have information about those two which he suspected Anthras may also have.
• Finally, he had suspicions he didn't openly share, possibly about players other than Gamelon, Ruse, and GL.

That's some food for thought, at least.

Errr yeah it did single some people out

[Shadow]

Naming some people as potential candidates is not the same as singling one person out. You should be happy, Ruse. I said that you were unlikely to be Inquisition unless he was playing a distance game with you!

[Osseric]

Anyone know where Alkend has been? I think it's been a while since he last posted.

[Ruse]

 Alkend, on 23 March 2010 - 05:59 AM, said:

That was a...rather interesting/stupid attempt to save your own life. Mind you, also would have drawn epic NK's from at least one of the Watches if D'rek hadn't been lynched, so...

Eh, now we wait for night to resolve, oh joy!

His last post was this, which i make to be about 37 hours ago and he doesnt say anything about being away

[Osseric]

 Ruse, on 24 March 2010 - 07:01 PM, said:

 Shadow, on 23 March 2010 - 04:42 PM, said:

Overall, I get pretty much the following... maybe it's not best to state all of this info, but some of it conflicts with each other. I'm ignoring dead players at this point, since we already know them.

• Lynching Fener is pointless, it won't go through. Possible Inquisition or knows he is RI?
• He's REALLY chummy with Osseric. Possible Inquisition or knows he is RI?
  • Osseric was not a big Fener fan, so the above two conflict.
• He was fairly chummy with Omtose on Day 1/2. Possible Inquisition or knows he's RI?
• He has a lot of suspicion of Gamelon, Ruse, and Galayn Lord.
• He seemed to indicate that he can control his own lynch.
• He seemed to indicate that he learned information from a lynch, even if one didn't occur.
• He seems to be at odds with Anthras's mechanics discussion about the Mirror and lynch control, indicating he may have information about those two which he suspected Anthras may also have.
• Finally, he had suspicions he didn't openly share, possibly about players other than Gamelon, Ruse, and GL.

That's some food for thought, at least.

Errr yeah it did single some people out

Grouping is defferent that singleing.. He grouped Me Omtose and Fener together, and he grouped Gamelon, Ruse and Gay lord together.


But thats just semantics I guess.

ont thing I didn't catch earlier was, his last bullet point. Thats a huge logic leap to Guess who is non-shared suspicions were... he says "Possibly" but then throws out 3 names that fit his case best. How would he know, the suspicions weren't shared. I find it more likely to be D'riss, as he really never mentioned him. Regardless, it looks like that last point is trying to sway people towards Game, Ruse, and GL.