[Zalexis]

I can't seem to remember exactly what happened after Karsa and his human ally (name?) ended up adrift in the flooded realm. I know they ended up on that ship that eventually becomes used as The Silanda by the Malazans, but I can't remember what state the ship was in at the time. Was the crew already dead, or is that when Karsa made them that way? It seems to me that the ship was awfully quiet when they found it, but I also remember that Karsa had something to with that. Am I forgetting something or remebering events from two different books? I'm reading Reaper's Gale and things are starting to come together, so I need a refresher.
Thanks.

[Giles]

When Karsa and Torvald (i think) found it it had Edur on it who Karsa Killed among them

Spoiler

Binadas

The headless crew were already like that as far as i can remember

[D'rek]

Yup, Karsa kills all the Edur and throws most of them over the side (hence why Heboric and co. only found a few dead Edur on board). I don't recall Karsa and Torvald even noticing the undead crew belowdecks, but either way the Andii/humans are already beheaded and undead but Karsa and Torvald don't figure out how the ship works and abandon it after stealing some supplies, then continue onwards in their little boat to the broken Nascent wall.

[worry]

Before this, don't they also find one or two wrecked (Malazan?) ships as well? I'm thinking of the scene with the giant catfish. If I'm not wrong, then that could account for your memory of a quiet ship. Or my memory is just as hazy.

[beru]

i think it was a malazan ship that had fught (and lost) with the edur,but i cant be certain

[D'rek]

beru, on 13 March 2010 - 12:12 AM, said:

i think it was a malazan ship that had fught (and lost) with the edur,but i cant be certain

They find ships that appear to have clashed with the Edur, but I'm pretty sure they are not malazan ships. I'm not even sure they describe them well enough even to guess at what ships they are (Barghast?). Of course they could be from any time too, not necessarily recent.

[Zalexis]

Thanks for the reminders, everyone. I had forgotten that they came across more than one ship. They gathered supplies from an abandoned ship before finder the Edur vessel.
Thanks again. Karsa rules!

[ergault]

Zalexis, on 12 March 2010 - 08:49 PM, said:

I can't seem to remember exactly what happened after Karsa and his human ally (name?) ended up adrift in the flooded realm. I know they ended up on that ship that eventually becomes used as The Silanda by the Malazans, but I can't remember what state the ship was in at the time. Was the crew already dead, or is that when Karsa made them that way? It seems to me that the ship was awfully quiet when they found it, but I also remember that Karsa had something to with that. Am I forgetting something or remebering events from two different books? I'm reading Reaper's Gale and things are starting to come together, so I need a refresher.
Thanks.

the 1st thing u have 2 get right is the timelines...i 1st sighted the silanda in book 2.....@that time it was in possession of gesler n stormy...heads n all...which leads me 2 believe that karsa n torvald nom boarded the vessel in the nascent b4 that timeline

[WickanAssasin]

Yes, the silanda did show up first with gesler and stormy in book 2, but also at that time Karsa was one of Shaik's Bodyguards. Karsa met Leoman of the Flails before becoming one of Shaik's bodyguards in the fourth book, so it seems that the story of Karsa Orlong in House of Chains is a flashback of sorts to give background into the character.

[D'rek]

WickanAssasin, on 22 May 2010 - 04:44 AM, said:

Yes, the silanda did show up first with gesler and stormy in book 2, but also at that time Karsa was one of Shaik's Bodyguards. Karsa met Leoman of the Flails before becoming one of Shaik's bodyguards in the fourth book, so it seems that the story of Karsa Orlong in House of Chains is a flashback of sorts to give background into the character.

Yes, it is a flashback. The Ashok regiment gives it away by mentioning that the Siege of Pale just ended when Karsa's their prisoner.

[Tatterdemalion]

Definitely.

What I'm confused about is the rent / portal. Karsa and Torvald eventually stumble upon Silgar and the slavers beached on silt at the edge of the wall (assumed the same wall Trull is on?) - but then there is this BREACH where the water is rushing through the wall. They race towards it and -pop- they come out on the northern coast of 7 Cities, near Erhlitan. Where did this rent come from? What does it have to do with the insane mage in the sky in book 2 / or the hole the Undead Dragon drags the Silanah into - splitting Gesler and co. from Felisin, Heboric, Kulp and Baudin? If this event happened FIRST, before book 2, then do the characters in book two stumble upon this spot too, or are there just numeorus portals and rents in the nascent?

And yes, Karsa murders numerous Edur. Tasty.

[D'rek]

Tatterdemalion, on 26 July 2010 - 05:05 PM, said:

What does it have to do with the insane mage in the sky in book 2 / or the hole the Undead Dragon drags the Silanah into - splitting Gesler and co. from Felisin, Heboric, Kulp and Baudin?

Nothing

Tatterdemalion, on 26 July 2010 - 05:05 PM, said:

or are there just numeorus portals and rents in the nascent?

This. Sounds like a ginormous coincidence, I know, but the key is that a} a portal being there may be related to the wall breaking there as well (some sort of magic wall?), and b} the wall didnt just happen to lead to 7C, Silgar used his own warren to make it take them there instead of... wherever else it would go.

This post has been edited by D'rek: 26 July 2010 - 07:39 PM

[Beezulbubba]

My take is that breach in the wall was an "exit" out of the flooded warren. The "exit" was not intentional, but instead created because the massive wall could not hold back the water. Where that "exit" takes you I don't think it is revealed (at least not as far as I have read - - - about 1/3rd through HOC). That Karsa, Torvald Nom, Silgar ...et al. end up in Seven cities is (as noted by D'rek) because Silgar took them there by accessing his warren. Also, as D'rek states, the other rents in the flooded warren (as described in DH) are coincidental. For example, the wound that is sealed by Legana Breed was bleeding chaos into the flooded warren (if I understood it correctly) and Olar Ethil opens a portal into her fire warren and the Silanda rides the wake she creates. I don't think the insane mage had anything to do with the wound sealed by Legana Breed . . . . but I could be wrong.
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Also, regarding the Silanda and the dead Tiste Edur, there is some inconsistency in the description of how they were killed form DG to HOC. In DG it describes the bodies as: "There was no evidence of decay, but no blood was visible. Whatever had killed them had crushed them throughly without once breaking the skin." In HOC, it describes Karsa's attack as: "Four attackers, a fury of blows exchanged, Karsa blocking with the harpoon and counter-attacking with the bloodsword. In moments, four broken bodies dying on the cabin's gleaming wooden floor."

Did anyone else notice this?

[Furion]

Isn't the bloodsword blunt? I don't think karsa breaks skin.

[Tatterdemalion]

He also slashed 7 of them in one swing. That's gotta cut.

I think there is ample evidence that bloodswords cut and draw blood. Having just read 'Faces in the Rock' again, the Teblor wipe blood from their blades often - in fact, they draw gore more than normal swords, it would seem, due to the impact of the blows.

Thanks D'rek and Beez. Makes sense. Silgar manipulated the sorcerous rift or something.

I am curious too, because, if that wall eventually broke - as the rift seemed to indicate it would in short order - and if it is indeed the same wall Trull is pinned to, then logic would follow that when that wall breaks the land beyond would proceed to flood - that land being the location of the 7 Colossal status of the Hounds of Darkness (well, 5) and also the old ruined city that Onrack and Trull spar with the lioshan.

That'd be a shame. I'd like someone to pick up that extra chunk on Onrack's face. Maybe throw it at someone or something.

[Calm Bringer Of Peace]

Ok 1st. Karsa's blood sword. I believe its sharp how sharp I don't know but like layers of sap that hardens like amber. He was always
oiling it with more blood oil. And in DG he no longer had his bloodsword because of the heat and lack of oil.
I have never been sure what nacent is. I thought it was a piece of the shattered realm/warren. Somehow related to raraku and the whirlwind. Remember the sea that spilled out into raraku in BH? I bet that water came from the nacent...

The rent that the tlan imass took the andii head into was I think caused by a mage trying to eascape the otataral mines. Hence the proximity to heboric and the rest. The fact that heboric and felisin baudin and the mage fall of the silanda and into 7cities connects the nacent to raraku even more.

[Beezulbubba]

Regarding Karsa's bloodsword and the description of the dead Tiste Edur, in HOC it says: " . . . . four broken bodies dying on the cabin's gleaming wooden floor." To me, the "gleaming wooden floor" is gleaming due to the blood spilled by Karsa's attack with the bloodsword.

Also, it was never clear to me whether the insane mage caused the wound that was patched by Legana Breed. I agree the insane mage's attack from the sky when they were escaping on the Ripath somehow propelled them into the nascent/shattered/flooded warren.

I do feel it is clear as to nature of the rent.... and that was chaos.

"Hood's breath", Kulp breathed beside Felisin. She glanced over. He was staring into the sky, his face pale. She followed his gaze.

A vast, black lesion, rimmed in fiery red and as large as a full moon, marred the amber sky. Whatever leaked from it seemed to steal into Felisin through her eyes, as if the act of simply seeing it was capable of transmitting an infection, a disease that would spread through her flesh."

[Siergiej]

Midnight Tides spoilers:

Spoiler

The rent in Nascent is of chaotic nature. AFAIR, in Midnight Tides Rhulad orders Hannan Mosag to "sink a realm". Couldn't it be the portal, that Mosag used to sink Nascent?

[Traveller]

The breech in the wall wasn't a rent or portal until Silgar opened one there. It was just a huge natural break caused by the water build up.
As to the rent that the water entered by, that was the one opened by

Spoiler

hannan Mosag on Rhulads command.

The bloodsword is indeed sharp - it's first use in HoC takes of another toblakais head doesn't it?

This post has been edited by Traveller: 27 July 2010 - 11:27 AM

[Beezulbubba]

Yeah... the bloodsword is sharp.... Karsa turns Silgar into a welcome mat in HOC (cuts off his hands and feet).