[Path-Shaper]

Yeah the last few games have been people just wanting their night actions to play the game for them. Pretty frustrating, but hopefully people will settle back in soon.

Mockra, on 21 January 2010 - 07:45 PM, said:

Damn Kalse and his suddenly disagreeing with Bargy's list.

Change my provisional

If Hp is king,consort or vig

kill HP

Otherwise Kill Gamelon

Props to Bent for paying attention to Kalse's sympage!

[Path-Shaper]

GK misfires big time... and uses the other charge on another inno. D'oh!

Barghast, on 21 January 2010 - 07:48 PM, said:

Kill Olar

I may kick myself for this but there something fishy about him.

[bubba]

Quote

Order of Play
During the Day:
-Cards are Dealt
-Steal

During the Night:
-Guard
-Find
-Swap
-Kill
-Heal

You are going to have to decide if the mayor even went off before the kill

[Path-Shaper]

I see it as the Kill being pretty much the last thing that occurs, so unless Thursday changes that, it would work.

[Path-Shaper]

Hmm, not sure I like the provisional based on the find. The resolve all happens at once, that order is just the one in which the actions are processed. It wouldn't be possible for Bent to actually get on and change his NA between the Find and the Kill since all results are sent out at once. Otherwise the healer could say something like "Wait until I see who died, and then heal them."

(Incidentally, I don't get why you all think the position of the Heal in that list is wrong. The kills happen before the heals so that the healer can cancel out any death that happened to the target of the heal. Having it the other way round would render the healer useless, as far as I can see).


Sir Thursday

[Path-Shaper]

Well if you want to amend the ruling about the provisional action, go ahead. I see what you're saying about it "resolving all at once" but the mere existence of an action order makes it seem like the killer could take an action based upon the results of another action. That's how I interpreted it, at least.

I think Heal is in the list wrong simply because of how I think the actions work.

You basically say that "kill" puts someone into a state where they will die at the end of night, and "heal" removes that state.

I say that "heal" gives someone a protective shield from one (or more) "kill" attempt(s) for that night.

They are effectively the same.

[Path-Shaper]

Path-Shaper, on 21 January 2010 - 11:48 PM, said:

Well if you want to amend the ruling about the provisional action, go ahead. I see what you're saying about it "resolving all at once" but the mere existence of an action order makes it seem like the killer could take an action based upon the results of another action. That's how I interpreted it, at least.

I think Heal is in the list wrong simply because of how I think the actions work.

You basically say that "kill" puts someone into a state where they will die at the end of night, and "heal" removes that state.

I say that "heal" gives someone a protective shield from one (or more) "kill" attempt(s) for that night.

They are effectively the same.

It's a fair enough interpretation, but it doesn't really fit with how I've always thought of things. Every game has an implicit resolve order, but no-one ever actually releases the results of the first actions to complete first...

[Path-Shaper]

Lokiman's asking for a modkill. Probably should just honor it, but I'll leave it up to you, Thursday.

Olar Ethil, on 22 January 2010 - 12:41 AM, said:

It sucks, but I can't get any time to play right now. Even then, my connection has been so crap, that right now has been the only real time that i've been able to get on...and I don't know how long that will last.
So, yah this is my unfortunate Modkill request/.

[Path-Shaper]

Serc, on 22 January 2010 - 03:07 AM, said:

Revised list:
Mayor
Guard
Target Finder
Role Finder
Card Finder
Vigilante
Healer
Consort
Thief
King
Place Swap
Socialite
Bomber
Lover

Well it sucks no one else wanted a lover card. Nothing better than being able to talk to someone else, clear them (as pretty sure scum wouldn't be going lover) and work out strategy. Wasted opportunity unfortunately.

I have also discovered I have no idea really how to get a game going as an innocent like Bent or Dibs can. As scum, its all ok, but as an inno everything I think of I feel I will come across as scummy.

Anyway tough to pick scum still at this point. Too many low posters not enough interaction. Barghast is weird I think I'll push that along a little and see what happens.

Hood, on 22 January 2010 - 03:31 AM, said:

that being the case could you switch guard to the top and king to second. (if you need me to put a reviewed list in please say but im going to sleep now very drunk so its possible i might not be up by time out

King
Guard
Healer
Vig
Lover
Role Finder
Target Finder
Thief
Bomber
Card Finder
Socialite
Place Swap
Consort
Mayor

[Path-Shaper]

Serc has Lover again and is asking for who has the other card (nobody). I saw that you took Hood's Path and told him he'd find out about the Lover the next day... what was the reasoning for that particular ruling?

The card won't be stolen, so I see no harm is telling Serc that nobody else took the other card.

edit: FYI, I just told Serc nobody else had the other Lover. I can only guess you hid the results in case it was stolen or guarded, but anything to keep the game alive is key IMO.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 22 January 2010 - 04:59 AM

[Mentalist]

sigh

so, did the innos figure out yet that information sharing's the only way to find scum?

[Path-Shaper]

No, not yet =O

This game is set up to really destroy the scum with a good set of reveals because you can quickly figure out who the apprentices are. People even seemed like they were willing to share card information... and then the idea died with the vocal players.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 22 January 2010 - 04:57 AM

[Mentalist]

ooh, I wish I was scum this game.

I love just taking out anyone that makes a lick of sense

[Path-Shaper]

Osseric, on 22 January 2010 - 05:34 AM, said:

If there IS a lynch.

Use the target find card on Thyrllan.


If there is NO lynch, kill Thryllan.

[Path-Shaper]

I'm out for the night. Bent still hasn't updated his 'role finder' so at this rate, he's going to Kill HP and also find his card.

Actions are updated with their expected results (apprentices are still TBD). I'll be asleep when the lynch resolves so hopefully you can handle the work

[Path-Shaper]

OK, really going to bed now. Keep in mind also that Serc's vote doesn't count for Barghast, it counts for himself, so Barghast needs 6 other people to lynch him.

Innos are quite silly right now. Barghast only has to reveal King and Gamelon can verify it to VPI 2 people, esp when Game names who the king was yesterday.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 22 January 2010 - 07:03 AM

[Path-Shaper]

It's taking all of my being to not call the innos dumb right now. I explained in detail that Ampelas was killed due to a moderator mistake about how the Mayor card worked.

And yet players still think Mayor was played yesterday. Even D'riss is playing along and he has the Mayor!

[Tapper]

Bubba, on 21 January 2010 - 07:39 PM, said:

It's all good. I just wish people would go back to playing. No one seams to want to do anything anymore. The last few games people have just been coasting along not playing the game......I tried to get people going playing "off the wall", but even that didn't get people posting.

[blatant Spycraft promotion] Seems a post-promoting mechanic is required once more [/blatant Spycraft promotion]

[bubba]

Well my playing the Mayor card may have just saved the inno's. It kept Barg from being lynched and started him revealing. Now if everyone would get with it they could win this.

[bubba]

MY GOD!!!! THEY HAVE STARTED TO PLAY THE GAME!!!!!



about bloody time.