[ThinkingMalaz]

ShadowRaven, on 08 February 2011 - 03:23 PM, said:

ThinkingMalaz, on 08 February 2011 - 02:27 PM, said:

Oooh I didn't even make that connection with what Hood said nor the Deathslayer link. It would still beg the question how the JG's cmae into existence... Are they independent constructs or is it the amalgamation of sufficient sould that brings them into being....

*thinkingMalaz's brain is pleasantly stimulated by this new input*

Well, in HoC Heboric considers them to be constructs and states they aren't alive so I've always assumed they are just statues carved in the Crippled God's homeworld - probably with magic or advanced tech as they are described to be extremely fine in detail. Also, I don't think it is the souls themselves that create them since we've seen the landed ones, and they appear to house no souls.

But there is no actual way of knowing that. Heboric is the only one in the series aware that the statues house souls as far as we know, and from what happened in RotCG we know that they are capable of unleashing quite devastating effects for as yet unknown purposes... And it's not like Heboric is an expert on the things either, he simply plunges in and draws his own conclusions (which, since this is SE, is not necessarily what they truly are.

[Silk]

Even if you look at the tiles story there is no mention of a hold of death...... the holds existed before Gothos ritual.....

[ThinkingMalaz]

hmmm good point...

However IF tCG was the original death it does not make a lot of sense that he is considered 'alien' to wu

[Silk]

Well if we look at a universal sense.... the elder races tend to be extremely long lived....and Death could have seemed Alien to them when the world was young and mortality wasn't dreamed of..... quite possibly a similar type of change that has undergone the malaz world with a new Reaper taking the place of the elder one with a more recognised face..... after would a Jaghut not look alien to someone who has never seen one?

[ThinkingMalaz]

Silk, on 10 February 2011 - 02:01 PM, said:

Well if we look at a universal sense.... the elder races tend to be extremely long lived....and Death could have seemed Alien to them when the world was young and mortality wasn't dreamed of..... quite possibly a similar type of change that has undergone the malaz world with a new Reaper taking the place of the elder one with a more recognised face..... after would a Jaghut not look alien to someone who has never seen one?

I like that reasoning, but it still does not add up to me. tCG was brought down by human sorcerors to combat Kallor, that implies that the Elder Gods AND Humans were already kicking about when he was torn down to Wu. Humans are very much mortal and were apparently already around and becoming dominant (The kallorian empire, The First empire) and to humans death would not have been Alien at all to Wu at this point. Unless we presume that humans were practically immortal as well before th bringing down of tCG, which I guess is possible, but I can't find anything to support that in the series. In fact Kallor is already using alchemies to extend his own life BEFORE the Elder Gods come along to try and bring him down (I get that from Kallor's POV TtH where he kills one of his wifes because she is appalled by Kallor's offering of immortality)

[Silk]

Yeah, however the original Death was displaced in the Jaghut war on death which is way before he is called down and as such he could have been wondering other realms and has been speculated in the books the ritual that was going on kind of attracted his interest and he was brought down.

Now as this is way after the war on death he woudl seem tobe even more alien to everyone..... and there is also the fact that the Elder Gods know his name...... so he may not be entirely alien as to be honest MD and FL, Osserc and The Tiste and the rest could also be deemed to be alien as they came from other realms

[Chronicler]

I thought the Jade giants were being sent to heal the wound caused by the crippled god or something, because like souls heal the wounds, and there are so many in the jade giants.