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What is your opinion on the Wheel of Time?
#322 Guest_Bloodeye_*
Posted 18 February 2004 - 01:54 PM
Here are my opinions on the series:
Book One - Average start to a series.
Book Two - Better than the first.
Books Three and Four - Good. The high point for me.
Book Five - Back to the "above average" quality of the second book.
Book Six - Back to the average quality of the first book.
Book Seven - Bad.
Books Eight and Nine - Terrible. A waste of shelf space.
Book Ten - Absoulute rubbish. One of the worse pieces of modern literature I've ever read.
New Spring - Same quality as the 2nd and 5th books - above average but nothing spectacluar.
Book One - Average start to a series.
Book Two - Better than the first.
Books Three and Four - Good. The high point for me.
Book Five - Back to the "above average" quality of the second book.
Book Six - Back to the average quality of the first book.
Book Seven - Bad.
Books Eight and Nine - Terrible. A waste of shelf space.
Book Ten - Absoulute rubbish. One of the worse pieces of modern literature I've ever read.
New Spring - Same quality as the 2nd and 5th books - above average but nothing spectacluar.
#323 Guest_johnturing_*
Posted 06 June 2005 - 05:21 AM
Yellow - you say you enjoyed the rest of them. Does that mean you enjoyed Crossroads of Twilight? Or haven't you read that one?
#324 Guest_Harlest Eberict_*
Posted 07 February 2004 - 02:38 PM
Is true with me, I read all of Feists' Serpentwar saga even though after the first and second I was forming bad opinions about it. I shall probably finish Katherine Kerrs' series as well for similar reasons. 
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Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators the creator seeks- those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest.
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Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators the creator seeks- those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest.
~Friedrich Nietzche
#325 Guest_Rallick Nom_*
Posted 09 February 2004 - 12:08 PM
I'm sure if all the WOT-haters banded together we could handle him.
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Rallick Recommends: "Children of the Grave" by Black Sabbath or White Zombie(The original is a classic, and White Zombie just m/ it)
"Rallick, I love you..."~Lady A
#326 Guest_quietnate_*
Posted 09 February 2004 - 10:23 PM
i agree with stone monkey...jordan should hurry up..
i think most of the wot haters used to like the series , their opinions have only changed once they started reading erikson, martin..whose styles are more fast paced (who dont spend 5 pages describing some characters dress sense)
..but back in the day before erikson they were wot fans..
[This message was edited by quietnate on 09 February 2004 at 11:09 PM.]
i think most of the wot haters used to like the series , their opinions have only changed once they started reading erikson, martin..whose styles are more fast paced (who dont spend 5 pages describing some characters dress sense)
..but back in the day before erikson they were wot fans..
[This message was edited by quietnate on 09 February 2004 at 11:09 PM.]
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Posted 12 February 2004 - 03:08 AM
Altogether now: "Hi quietnate!"
My own struggle with WoT is a long sad tale. I was hooked for 10 years, but managed to kick with the last one, but I know it's out there waiting to suck me back in...I must not be weak...
Maybe there's a 12-step program; WoTA perhaps?
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My own struggle with WoT is a long sad tale. I was hooked for 10 years, but managed to kick with the last one, but I know it's out there waiting to suck me back in...I must not be weak...
Maybe there's a 12-step program; WoTA perhaps?
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If an opinion contrary to your own makes you angry, that is a sign that you are subconsciously aware of having no good reason for thinking as you do. If some one maintains that two and two are five, or that Iceland is on the equator, you feel pity rather than anger, unless you know so little of arithmetic or geography that his opinion shakes your own contrary conviction. … So whenever you find yourself getting angry about a difference of opinion, be on your guard; you will probably find, on examination, that your belief is going beyond what the evidence warrants. Bertrand Russell
#328 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 03 February 2004 - 08:15 PM
It was a loaded question, because I think the scope, magnitude, and heavy description of WOT were very influential. Also from a business standpoint, RJ opened up some doors.
Erikson never said Jordan was an influence, but Erikson did say that he was reacting to things he didn't like about the fantasy genre. It's my guess that Erikson and Martin saw the huge scope of series like WOT printed in multiple volumes and thought to themselves that they could do better (which of course they did.) Notice that Erikson never mentions the authors he doesn't like and that he said that he devours fantasy books.
Also, Jordan's endorsement of Martin seems too much of a coincidence. Didn't they appear together at a sci-fi convention too?
Erikson never said Jordan was an influence, but Erikson did say that he was reacting to things he didn't like about the fantasy genre. It's my guess that Erikson and Martin saw the huge scope of series like WOT printed in multiple volumes and thought to themselves that they could do better (which of course they did.) Notice that Erikson never mentions the authors he doesn't like and that he said that he devours fantasy books.
Also, Jordan's endorsement of Martin seems too much of a coincidence. Didn't they appear together at a sci-fi convention too?
#329 Guest_Rallick Nom_*
Posted 13 February 2004 - 02:07 PM
I'd suggest curbing your addiction by re-reading all of the female viewpoint sections in the last ten books. Try not to end yourself on the spot.
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Posted 04 February 2004 - 10:46 AM
I like the first 6 books then it goes rapidly downhill. In the first books, the complicated if too long plot developement kind of masked the other flaws - one-dimensional characters, braid-tugging and such and the enemies were scary. Nowadays every idiot knows that the main characters won't die, hell even the minor ones don't die and new ones are added. Seems to me that RJ has no idea how exactly to get to the final of the series.
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When is the word but a sigh?
When is death our lone beholder?
When do we walk the final steps?
When can we scream instead of whisper?
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When is the word but a sigh?
When is death our lone beholder?
When do we walk the final steps?
When can we scream instead of whisper?
#331 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 05 February 2004 - 06:38 PM
Gemmel would give him a good fight.
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Posted 11 June 2005 - 12:27 AM
I think the first four books were very good, but then it started to get annoying. It seems to me as if Jordan hates women or something, the way they all act. I heard Jordan is ready writing KoD and it will be published somewhere in November I believe. Read this at http://www.dragonmount.com
I will certainly read on, even if the last books, and certainly CoT weren't so good.
I will certainly read on, even if the last books, and certainly CoT weren't so good.
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Posted 18 February 2004 - 01:58 PM
Is there any point in reading New Spring if you have already read the short story in Legends? Does it actually improve on the short story or is it just a money making con (like Debt of Bones by Goodkind that was also in Legends)
#334 Guest_johnturing_*
Posted 09 June 2005 - 03:51 AM
quote:Originally posted by Oponn:
You know, for some reason I'm actually quite looking forward to this book now. Maybe it's because the end's in sight, but I think I'll probably be getting this book. So can anyone tell whether I actually need to read Crossroads of Twilight which I avoided? Did anything actually happen in it or is it as bad as everyone says?
Well nothing happened in it. You won't learn anything be reading it, but you won't miss anything by not reading it. If you want proof of Jordan's skill at waffling and writing 800 pages on descriptions, you should read it. If you can't admire him for anything else, you still have to be impressed at how someone can write 800 pages without advancing the plot. I'm not going to give up reading them, unfortunately. Skip CoT, and go on to the next book when that comes out. CoT makes look the earlier two books look like masterpieces. If there were important plot points in CoT, I either missed them or have completely forgotten them - they weren't that important, and they were probably very predictable as well.
#335 Guest_quietnate_*
Posted 20 February 2004 - 02:03 AM
@jon snow - ha ha i agree with you completely..
just finished reading a jordan interview , man is he up himself , i wonder if he realizes he is a laughing stock these days..
just finished reading a jordan interview , man is he up himself , i wonder if he realizes he is a laughing stock these days..
#336 Guest_Izz_*
Posted 21 February 2004 - 03:54 PM
Believe me, I'm prepared for the worst! I have read so many terrible reviews, and for the later books especially. I own TEotW in PB, but I plan on getting the rest out of the library. If I do read on, I won't be buying them.
#337 Guest_Jon_Snow_*
Posted 19 February 2004 - 05:27 PM
I happen to visit the a few WoT boards now and then (mainly for a taste of nostalgia) and they have become stagnant places... even the once devoted wotmaniacs seem to be at wits end. Its seems that it took the abyssmal Crossroads of Twilight to finally convince many to abandon ship. The equally wretched Path of Daggers was the end of my WoT affliction...
Winter is Coming...
Winter is Coming...
#338 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 05 February 2004 - 10:37 PM
Who cares about the novels? Gemmell used to be a bouncer and RJ is not exactly in military shape anymore. Although, they're probably around the same height.
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Posted 16 July 2005 - 07:13 PM
Yeah, you're right, I would buy it if Erikson did that..
Thats an interesting link to. Though I'm not sure I could cope with the twelfth book being 1500 pages long
It's also interesting to see how he keeps track of his characters as he write. A database with all the characters and all their movements must be one hell of a task to maintain!!
And "sweating by the time you finish reading KoD", eh? Sounds like a challenge to me. Get the ice ready
Thats an interesting link to. Though I'm not sure I could cope with the twelfth book being 1500 pages long
It's also interesting to see how he keeps track of his characters as he write. A database with all the characters and all their movements must be one hell of a task to maintain!!
And "sweating by the time you finish reading KoD", eh? Sounds like a challenge to me. Get the ice ready
O xein', angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti têde; keimetha tois keinon rhémasi peithomenoi.
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Posted 17 July 2005 - 01:26 AM
I don't think it's a rip-off, but I won't be buying the prologue/whatever e-book... it'd do my head in to read the first 140 pages and then have to wait 3 months for the rest. I don't really understand why people can't just wait.
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