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Since it's such a controversial issue, lets just take a peek at how people feel about it, in such a way we can see the actual numbers.
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Rallick Recommends: "Children of the Grave" by Black Sabbath or White Zombie(The original is a classic, and White Zombie just m/ it)
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What is your opinion on the Wheel of Time?
#242 Guest_Rallick Nom_*
Posted 05 February 2004 - 12:25 PM
LOL
I'll look for that.
Anyway, that's a good point. Eddings, and indeed Piers Anthony were writing long series before Jordan. Donaldson had six Covenant books, Elric was past the 6 volume point(I believe) by the beginning of the 90's. Which is not to say that Jordan had no effect from a business standpoint, but I believe that the Malazan books could be around without the WoT.
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Rallick Recommends: "Children of the Grave" by Black Sabbath or White Zombie(The original is a classic, and White Zombie just m/ it)
"Rallick, I love you..."~Lady A
I'll look for that.
Anyway, that's a good point. Eddings, and indeed Piers Anthony were writing long series before Jordan. Donaldson had six Covenant books, Elric was past the 6 volume point(I believe) by the beginning of the 90's. Which is not to say that Jordan had no effect from a business standpoint, but I believe that the Malazan books could be around without the WoT.
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Rallick Recommends: "Children of the Grave" by Black Sabbath or White Zombie(The original is a classic, and White Zombie just m/ it)
"Rallick, I love you..."~Lady A
#243 Guest_Niko III_*
Posted 03 February 2004 - 01:27 PM
It (WoT)'s not exactly breaking new ground, is it?
Still, the first half of the series were ok, but book 9&10? Utter Rot!
"- all these Dark Lords intent on creating wastelands packed with enslaved victims... for what?"
Jeder für Sich und Gott Gegen alle
Still, the first half of the series were ok, but book 9&10? Utter Rot!
"- all these Dark Lords intent on creating wastelands packed with enslaved victims... for what?"
Jeder für Sich und Gott Gegen alle
#244 Guest_LooseCannon_*
Posted 28 February 2004 - 02:33 PM
I haven't read the Legends version but from what I've been told the only additional chapters come before the chapters in the Legends version. All the additional chapters are centred on Moirane and Suian in the White Tower along with a short beginning chapter with Lan leading a host near the last days of the Aiel War.
So to sum it up I'd say yeah, get it if you like the WoT and don't get it if you don't like the WoT.
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So to sum it up I'd say yeah, get it if you like the WoT and don't get it if you don't like the WoT.
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#245 Guest_Niko III_*
Posted 07 February 2004 - 05:07 PM
Speaking of the next book, when is it supposed to come out? 2010?
First, the [Expletive deleted] delays book 10 for two years, and then it has the momentum of a very slow geriatric turtle.
"- all these Dark Lords intent on creating wastelands packed with enslaved victims... for what?"
Jeder für Sich und Gott Gegen alle
First, the [Expletive deleted] delays book 10 for two years, and then it has the momentum of a very slow geriatric turtle.
"- all these Dark Lords intent on creating wastelands packed with enslaved victims... for what?"
Jeder für Sich und Gott Gegen alle
#246 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 04 February 2004 - 01:19 PM
Yes the homage to Jordan may be simply because of their professional relationship. Our theory that Jordan influenced Martin is still unclear. In any event if Martin is like me there are aspects of the series that he likes and aspects he doesn't. There are blatant weaknesses and strengths from book one.
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Posted 14 July 2005 - 01:05 PM
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#248 Guest_Ashnak_*
Posted 03 February 2004 - 09:41 PM
The wheel of time... I dislike it. the reason? I liked it at the beginning, and it still has a few very good mind constructs and things like that, but the story doesn't hold water. However, I might have overlooked this had I not read better stuff. Also, a page spent on describing how to wash silk, and 3 books not advancing the story has sort of left me without any respect whatsoever for Mr. Jordan's writings. A few good ideas don't excuse torturing me. 
This, combined with the fact that jordan takes himself so damn seriously, results in a mild contempt.
-- a mean mean odd fellow --
Sanjuro: You don't mind if I kill all of you?
Gambler: What? Kill me if you can!
Sanjuro: It'll hurt.
This, combined with the fact that jordan takes himself so damn seriously, results in a mild contempt.
-- a mean mean odd fellow --
Sanjuro: You don't mind if I kill all of you?
Gambler: What? Kill me if you can!
Sanjuro: It'll hurt.
#249 Guest_Gvynbleid_*
Posted 06 June 2005 - 12:24 AM
To many analogies and copies to Lord of the Rings for me. Thatswhy I have stopped reading first book.
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Posted 18 February 2004 - 04:49 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Dujek One-Arm:
Is there any point in reading New Spring if you have already read the short story in Legends? Does it actually improve on the short story or is it just a money making con (like Debt of Bones by Goodkind that was also in Legends)
Yes, it's better than the short story. It has 200 pages more, mainly about Moiraine and Siuan and how they began searching for the Dragon Reborn, including the test for becoming an Aes Sedai. I don't like the short story much, it seemed too short (for RJ's standarts
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When is the word but a sigh?
When is death our lone beholder?
When do we walk the final steps?
When can we scream instead of whisper?
#251 Guest_johnturing_*
Posted 11 June 2005 - 11:13 AM
Well ... I didn't find out anything I didn't already know in CoT. I don't like reading pure description without plot - there's no point, and it's boring. I only started reading recently, but the problem I've got with it is that there is a lot of far superior fantasy that I still have to read - like Fritz Leiber, Michael Moorcock, Mervyn Peake, Gene Wolfe, Roger Zelazny etc - why waste my time on a book that doesn't further the story? I read CoT because I thought that maybe it would further the story, which all the others did. It's not the tying up that mattered to me - it's the fact that he wasted a book. I may read Knife of Dreams if I hear that it was a significant improvement on Crossroads of Twilight. Otherwise, I'll stick to the better fantasy. I only read Jordan for the plot, not because I think he's a good writer in any other way, and if he isn't going to provide that, why bother reading them?
@Yellow - there's a chance I may do that. I doubt I'll have missed much in the rest of it, except I may read a few more chapters, because he'll only be doing a pointless description of how they lived happily ever after in the last chapter, so I'll have to read a bit before that if it's going to be worth my time.
@Yellow - there's a chance I may do that. I doubt I'll have missed much in the rest of it, except I may read a few more chapters, because he'll only be doing a pointless description of how they lived happily ever after in the last chapter, so I'll have to read a bit before that if it's going to be worth my time.
#252 Guest_Zakari_*
Posted 08 February 2004 - 10:22 AM
I might get round to picking them up on eBay someday..get them for peanuts like...
See what the fuss is about!
See what the fuss is about!
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Posted 19 July 2005 - 01:45 PM
quote:Originally posted by Drelldragon:
To Caladan Brood
Dude. One word, no capitals
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#254 Guest_Fantasy_Reader_*
Posted 07 February 2004 - 12:06 PM
I think most people just want to finish what they have started. I know that is the case with my self but I don't think I will be buying his next book. Not after the last book it was just a bore.
#255 Guest_Caldazar_*
Posted 05 February 2004 - 05:26 PM
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Caldazar: Aren't you forgetting eddings ? His Belgarion and Malorion sold extremly well here in Sweden and in many aspects made it possible for Jordan to be loved, and loathed (of course)
Nope. Eddings, Feist and Brooks rejuvinated the fantasy Genre in the eighties. They get credit for that. Jordan did the same imo for fantasy, especially epic fantasy in the nineties. The success of these authors allowed more fantasy to be published. That's there influrence.
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Posted 13 February 2004 - 03:07 AM
Here's a broad summary for the last 4 or 5 books:
Nothing happens for 500 pages.
Then something does.
10 pages later...The End.
The sound you can hear in the distance is RJ and his accountant rolling in piles of money and laughing at you...Again.
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Nothing happens for 500 pages.
Then something does.
10 pages later...The End.
The sound you can hear in the distance is RJ and his accountant rolling in piles of money and laughing at you...Again.
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SuperFly TNT!
If an opinion contrary to your own makes you angry, that is a sign that you are subconsciously aware of having no good reason for thinking as you do. If some one maintains that two and two are five, or that Iceland is on the equator, you feel pity rather than anger, unless you know so little of arithmetic or geography that his opinion shakes your own contrary conviction. … So whenever you find yourself getting angry about a difference of opinion, be on your guard; you will probably find, on examination, that your belief is going beyond what the evidence warrants. Bertrand Russell
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Posted 13 February 2004 - 08:21 AM
this is of course the major problem... i now can't just leave the series, despite the lower than low level of quality of the last couple(i'll leave it at that to be polite). i must know how it ends though, so i'll still buy them all. its a sad state of affairs, i know, but i've invested too much time in reading the whole series so far to now abandon it. and you never know, he might get back to the quality of the earlier ones towards the end of the series *prays*
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O xein angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti tede,
keimentha tois keinon rhemasi peithomenoi.
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had to carry around a damn hammer all day?"
). i must know how it ends though, so i'll still buy them all. its a sad state of affairs, i know, but i've invested too much time in reading the whole series so far to now abandon it. and you never know, he might get back to the quality of the earlier ones towards the end of the series *prays*¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
O xein angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti tede,
keimentha tois keinon rhemasi peithomenoi.
Unaligned - Obelisk - Friend of Asterisk.
"How would you feel if you were a Spurs fan and
had to carry around a damn hammer all day?"
O xein', angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti têde; keimetha tois keinon rhémasi peithomenoi.
#258 Guest_Oblivion_*
Posted 20 February 2004 - 03:20 PM
Never liked WoT. I've read the two first books and even gave them a second chance, but no. It's just not my type of books.
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Ah, yes the past can hurt. But the way I see it you can either run from it or.....learn from it.
- Rafiki the prophet
#260 Guest_LooseCannon_*
Posted 03 February 2004 - 02:24 PM
Big fan of WoT. I will critisize certain aspects of it, but only lovingly . I love the "feel" of the world. Love how it feels not quite Medieval and not quite Industrial Revolution. Sort of Renaissance but not quite that either. Anyway, good series 
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We must now kung fu fight.
. I love the "feel" of the world. Love how it feels not quite Medieval and not quite Industrial Revolution. Sort of Renaissance but not quite that either. Anyway, good series .******
We must now kung fu fight.
