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Given the choice of words, I was under the impression he was referring to a ruckus among the die hard fans.
Oh well: I'm halfway through TTH and I'm liking it better than RG so no problems here
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Posted 09 January 2010 - 05:13 PM
Ah, I see.
Given the choice of words, I was under the impression he was referring to a ruckus among the die hard fans.
Oh well: I'm halfway through TTH and I'm liking it better than RG so no problems here
Given the choice of words, I was under the impression he was referring to a ruckus among the die hard fans.
Oh well: I'm halfway through TTH and I'm liking it better than RG so no problems here
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Posted 09 January 2010 - 07:02 PM
Actually, quite a few regulars here found Toll to be the weakest in the series so far. I'm currently on a re-read.
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 02:14 AM
Why do so many think it's the weakest?
Good interview also...I'm sure Erikson will hit it out of the park with The Crippled God.
Good interview also...I'm sure Erikson will hit it out of the park with The Crippled God.
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"Ignoring him, she stepped back out of the ellipse and began singing in the Woman's Language, which was, of course, unintelligible to Iskaral's ears. Just as the Man's Language-which Mongora called gibberish-was beyond her ability to understand. The reason for that, Iskaral Pust knew, was that the Man's Language was gibberish, designed specifically to confound women."
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 02:19 AM
You aren't to Toll yet, are you? Otherwise I'd reccommened reading the threads in that forum that discuss its merits.
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 02:21 AM
Yeah I'm not to it yet. I know I've seen some of the raitings on it, and it looks like it's the weakest book thus far. I wasn't sure if it was just because of...events such as a couple particular favorite characters getting killed off or something, or if it had to do with it not being as well written.
"Ignoring him, she stepped back out of the ellipse and began singing in the Woman's Language, which was, of course, unintelligible to Iskaral's ears. Just as the Man's Language-which Mongora called gibberish-was beyond her ability to understand. The reason for that, Iskaral Pust knew, was that the Man's Language was gibberish, designed specifically to confound women."
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"What's wrong with the world? You ask a man and he says, 'Don't ask.' Ask a woman and you'll be dead of old age before she's finished"
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 02:22 AM
It is written differently than the others. But, I'm in a re-read and I'm enjoying it more this time around (like usual).
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 02:23 AM
Well I didn't like Deadhouse Gates the first time around, but now that I have a better understanding of the series, I think I would enjoy it much more on a reread of it. Written differently? Do I want to know? haha
"Ignoring him, she stepped back out of the ellipse and began singing in the Woman's Language, which was, of course, unintelligible to Iskaral's ears. Just as the Man's Language-which Mongora called gibberish-was beyond her ability to understand. The reason for that, Iskaral Pust knew, was that the Man's Language was gibberish, designed specifically to confound women."
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Posted 11 January 2010 - 06:37 AM
EsotericForest, on 10 January 2010 - 02:23 AM, said:
Written differently? Do I want to know? haha
In order to explain, I will write an extremely, extremely minor spoiler. Seriously, it provides zero insight into the actual contents of the book, but those who have read Memories of Ice will probably understand how its form can be controversial.
Spoiler
Because of this, the writing style is indeed different and perhaps controversial. I loved it and hope others come around to at least liking it.
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Posted 11 January 2010 - 07:01 AM
amphibian, on 11 January 2010 - 06:37 AM, said:
EsotericForest, on 10 January 2010 - 02:23 AM, said:
Written differently? Do I want to know? haha
In order to explain, I will write an extremely, extremely minor spoiler. Seriously, it provides zero insight into the actual contents of the book, but those who have read Memories of Ice will probably understand how its form can be controversial.
Spoiler
theres large parts that don't have it
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Posted 11 January 2010 - 03:20 PM
i think he refers to his illness he encunterd in mongolia...
but im no exspert on the matter
but im no exspert on the matter
i want to see this world where T'lan imass kneels
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Posted 11 January 2010 - 03:41 PM
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Ah alright...well that's something I can deal with, but that is quite a bit different than how he usually writes.
Ah alright...well that's something I can deal with, but that is quite a bit different than how he usually writes.
"Ignoring him, she stepped back out of the ellipse and began singing in the Woman's Language, which was, of course, unintelligible to Iskaral's ears. Just as the Man's Language-which Mongora called gibberish-was beyond her ability to understand. The reason for that, Iskaral Pust knew, was that the Man's Language was gibberish, designed specifically to confound women."
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Posted 17 January 2010 - 03:24 AM
H.D., on 10 January 2010 - 02:22 AM, said:
It is written differently than the others. But, I'm in a re-read and I'm enjoying it more this time around (like usual).
TTH has an incredible depth on a re-read - I'd recommend just skipping the Harllo parts (which just makes me scream about the time-line), and the Trygalle parts (which are just meaningless to me, and too superficial). The Nimander & company narrative, and the Tiste Andii in Black Coral narrative both feel a lot better on a re-read. That and the Traveller sections, especially while building up to the meeting with Karsa.
And I liked the prose style the first time through, and even more the second time through. It just worked for me, no matter how it annoyed other people - it was very ... human. And you have to re-read to catch all the little bits (like Gorlas' vision that echoed Kruppe's GotM dream; I do wonder how many people even noticed that).
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Posted 17 January 2010 - 03:38 AM
I enjoyed it MUCH more on the recent re-read. Bump it from a 6 to an 8 on my out of 10 ratings. (Only DG, MoI, MT, RG, and DoD are higher than an 8. Only? Lol that's half the damned series! I love me some Erikson.)
The Nimander, Seerdomin, and Endest sections VASTLY improved on re-read.
The only reason I haven't re-read it before now is that my Bantam hardcover has literally fallen apart, so I checked the Tor version out of the library.
The Nimander, Seerdomin, and Endest sections VASTLY improved on re-read.
The only reason I haven't re-read it before now is that my Bantam hardcover has literally fallen apart, so I checked the Tor version out of the library.
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Posted 17 January 2010 - 04:00 AM
H.D., on 17 January 2010 - 03:38 AM, said:
I enjoyed it MUCH more on the recent re-read. Bump it from a 6 to an 8 on my out of 10 ratings. (Only DG, MoI, MT, RG, and DoD are higher than an 8. Only? Lol that's half the damned series! I love me some Erikson.)
The Nimander, Seerdomin, and Endest sections VASTLY improved on re-read.
The Nimander, Seerdomin, and Endest sections VASTLY improved on re-read.
Hast more of a tragically-epic feel, doesn't it?
The Darujistahn parts are also really improved on a re-read, especially if you're careful to read every line. Some of the narrative observations are just ... breathtaking. I especially love the line about the pure-hearted Daru city guard, and how you can imagine it would be for the world to be without such people. "Yes, it should have been harder to do."
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Posted 17 January 2010 - 04:02 AM
The narratives are extremely poignant on a re-read. I probably rushed through the first time.
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Posted 26 January 2010 - 04:21 PM
Kurt Montandon, on 17 January 2010 - 03:24 AM, said:
And I liked the prose style the first time through, and even more the second time through. It just worked for me, no matter how it annoyed other people - it was very ... human. And you have to re-read to catch all the little bits (like Gorlas' vision that echoed Kruppe's GotM dream; I do wonder how many people even noticed that).
Yeah, moments like that were one of the reasons TtH was my new favorite of the series after I read it. I know not many people did, but I really loved what Erikson did with the Kruppe narration.
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Posted 27 January 2010 - 09:25 AM
H.D., on 09 January 2010 - 07:02 PM, said:
Actually, quite a few regulars here found Toll to be the weakest in the series so far. I'm currently on a re-read.
and surprisingly so, imo. it's one of the strongest installments. the sheer amount of awesome happening in the book far outweights some of the suck. it also manages to match copious amount of awesome AND copious amounts of meh this sucks into one storyline without them mixing, just coexisting.
anyway, personally, I'm having tonnes of second thoughts re-reading DoD. I kinda rushed through it the first time, now keep myself to like one, two chapters a week, letting everything settle in. makes a lot more sense now.
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