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#541 User is offline   Galayn Lord 

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 07:09 PM

The Bride would not want to finish it, but the Assassin wouldn't care. For the "sake of getting a lynch" he would hammer/bring close to hammer everything that moves. He need everyone dead, lynches for him are precious

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 07:16 PM

True, but probably wouldn't add an extraneous vote after we reach lynch, like HP.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 07:20 PM

Vote Sorrit
For what I posted yesterday, and an utter lack of changing what he/she is doing.
Why did the thread get stuck up in FM discussion for hours? Sorrit. Who kept the pissing match going on day 1? Sorrit.
Then who gets on today, makes the 'guilty trying to sound inno' "Oh gosh another viper gone!" statement, then creates a case on one person, which although I don't agree with, isn't "too" bad. Then says 'oh and Barghast for the same reasons'. Excuse me?


Another person I think is 'icky' is Olar Ethil, for the same reason as Sorrit.



See how pointless and stupid that is? If you make a case on someone, you don't then say 'oh this person is doing the same thing, so I'm willing to vote them too, but I wont even mention them except for a throw-away line.'


I guess my case is this: Who is sowing confusion all over the place? Sorrit. Who benefits from a lot of confusion? The Bride or the Assassin. Both of whom have to die. You all know that the person who first brings up the 'what if...' statement is generally the person that has that role. When was there ever mention of FM anywhere? How would a FM work in Kill Bill? I noticed someone mentioned this directly to Sorrit earlier, but if there was a response to it, I missed it.

@Rashan - I freely admit that the first day spam, and then the fact that I keep missing anything happening sucks. Do I think it merits a vote? Not really, but hey, that vote is on me so of course I am going to say I don't want it there! Posted Image

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 07:27 PM

Hey Shadow, you could try reading the actual thread and noticing that no one ever said that the potential FM would be a KB character. In fact, people said precisely the opposite, equating the idea with potentially the assassin who seems to be an extraneous character. All that crap you just said to try and appear like you're playing has been said already pages ago. Since you're not even making an effort to read the thread or say anything slightly new, but also want to sound condescending as if you're actually doing something,

Vote Shadow

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 07:28 PM

I am back. Damn, really didn't think Tellan could have been a viper with his play.

I have to say though Rashan, I would have been happier with no lynch, and one more viper alive. The info we get from the lynch is of far less worth than keeping a Viper alive in my opinion.

With regards to GL's accusation of me, there's not much I can say other than coincidence since the timings of both events were when I am online, and the fact the first vote was based on the assumption that the bride had to be on to carry out the kill on Spite, which in my view is probably not true given the OP.

Edit: Grammar fail.

This post has been edited by Liosan: 10 December 2009 - 07:28 PM


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Posted 10 December 2009 - 07:38 PM

View PostKalse, on 10 December 2009 - 07:27 PM, said:

Hey Shadow, you could try reading the actual thread and noticing that no one ever said that the potential FM would be a KB character. In fact, people said precisely the opposite, equating the idea with potentially the assassin who seems to be an extraneous character. All that crap you just said to try and appear like you're playing has been said already pages ago. Since you're not even making an effort to read the thread or say anything slightly new, but also want to sound condescending as if you're actually doing something,

Vote Shadow


So what you are saying is that you are voting for me because I made a case on someone? Or is it the fact that you don't like the case? Or who the case is on? Or do you just want to get a vote down?

Strawman, I hear you being created. Tell me Kalse, why do you think I haven't read the thread? I read the whole thing, and Sorrit never responded to that question, as I stated. He did also do the 'oh no another viper down!' statement after the scene today. He also started the FM talk.

So in the Kalse-Mafia-World, are we not allowed to talk about things that happened in the past, or when we weren't around? What an idiotic way to play. In that case, I suggest we just vote people alphabetically until the game is over, since we can't talk about anything, ever. Posted Image

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 07:47 PM

View PostShadow, on 10 December 2009 - 07:38 PM, said:

View PostKalse, on 10 December 2009 - 07:27 PM, said:

Hey Shadow, you could try reading the actual thread and noticing that no one ever said that the potential FM would be a KB character. In fact, people said precisely the opposite, equating the idea with potentially the assassin who seems to be an extraneous character. All that crap you just said to try and appear like you're playing has been said already pages ago. Since you're not even making an effort to read the thread or say anything slightly new, but also want to sound condescending as if you're actually doing something,

Vote Shadow


So what you are saying is that you are voting for me because I made a case on someone? Or is it the fact that you don't like the case? Or who the case is on? Or do you just want to get a vote down?

Strawman, I hear you being created. Tell me Kalse, why do you think I haven't read the thread? I read the whole thing, and Sorrit never responded to that question, as I stated. He did also do the 'oh no another viper down!' statement after the scene today. He also started the FM talk.

So in the Kalse-Mafia-World, are we not allowed to talk about things that happened in the past, or when we weren't around? What an idiotic way to play. In that case, I suggest we just vote people alphabetically until the game is over, since we can't talk about anything, ever. Posted Image


Yeah, Sorrit never responded to that question the first time you asked it because even then you were asking it many hours after that entire issue had been wrapped up. The FM issue was brought up as one possible reason why there'd be no NKs with 2 assumed killers. Plenty of people eagerly pointed out that there's no way a KB character could be thematically represented as an FM (hours and pages before you said it). It was suggested that this could coincide with the assassin, who also seemed non-canon, but the issue was eventually dropped as there being no good reason to assume the existance of an FM with no indication of it in the rules or sign-ups, no character that could approximate it and the TMDI being too low. All these were also brought up hours and pages before you decided to poke your head in.

And then you go ahead and start trying to make amongst the stupidest of cases by necro-ing the issue and trying to push the idea that Sorrit is somehow scum simply because he suggested one of many possible reasons why no NK occured on one night. While it was debated and is no longer seen as a likely possibility, the fact that we talked about it for a while means that it wasn't an entirely wasted suggestion. But now that it's all been settled and agreed upon, now you can use that to make an entire case on Sorrit? Why aren't you necro-ing a case on Mockra for his "plan" or on Korbas for arguing with Spite on day 1?

If this is the best case you can think up, there, Shadow, and you're really this determined to push it, maybe it's a good thing you've barely been online at all so far.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 07:50 PM

I didn't ask that question the first time, to use your own line against you, try reading the thread.

Perhaps you could read the rest of the case, or the thread, instead of claiming I am 'necroing' one thing from day 1?

Why are you defending Sorrit so hard? Know something the rest of us don't?

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 07:50 PM

:p Shadow is here!!!

Not sure if I agree with your obsession with Sorrit. I think he makes a decent case against, Kalse, but the same could be said of any of the first 1-3 voters. I think Kalse had a good response and am willing to let it be at that right now. I'm not sure that makes him scum tho.

One thing I found interesting. And one reason why I won't totally disregard the Kalse case. Alkend mentioned a Body Guard Mechanic. I had never considered that, and to my knowledge it hasn't been brought up before. He just kind of threw it out there. So it's possible that Alk is a Bodyguard for the bride and that he was following the bride on the train. It fits with Sorrit's case on Kalse... But the whole thing is built on a foundation of mud. At the same time, i don't have any reservations about voting Kalse at this point.

The Gay Lord case on Liosan, is a stretch, but he makes a good point that the assassin needs everybody dead, and he needs lynches. It makes sense that he would wait around till a clear cut lynch train has developed and throw his vote there.

The Sorrit Case.. I just don't see it.

I really think we need to avoid what happened yesterday. Those last second lynches can be a great place for scum to hide. I would like to see us make a decision that doesn't come down to 21 minutes left, not early mind you, but at lease after everyone has checked in and had there say.

Of the 3 i am most intrigued by the GL case so:

vote Liosan

Definately willing to change if as more evidence presents itself, but I would like to see more pressure applied to get this game moving along. I think we need to start using our votes earlier in the day, to better determine the best course of action to take.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 07:51 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 10 December 2009 - 03:12 PM, said:

(Sorry about the delay, getting ready for work. This scene resolves the lynch, as well as night.)

Bill was nervous. He had been worrying all day, as not all of his phone calls had been returned. One outstanding set messages he had left were particularly troubling.

Bill, this is your brother... I know we haven't spoken in some time, but please, redacted is alive and awake... and I believe she is coming for you.

The call was never returned so Bill decided to make the drive down to check on his brother.

He turned over the last dune and down the dirt road that lead to his brother's dilapidated mobile home. Funny thing, considering the home had not exactly been mobile in many years... or so Bill thought.

Bill might normally have been happy to see the house moved, but instead of simply being gone (indicating Budd may have left the premises), it had been turned onto its side in the dust. Bill looked around... there appeared to be a large number of footprints in the sand... how many people were responsible for this madness?

Bill's stomach turned as he approached the mobile home, carefully climbing up onto the overturned side to open a door. He held his breath and opened the door.

A swarm of flies immediately thanked him for the fresh air and flew off en mass into the night air.

Bill hadn't yet looked, but he already knew from the smell... he risked a glance into the cabin and saw his worst fear realized, slumped into some forgotten corner in the overturned home.

"Oh, Budd... goddammit, what have you done to yourself? Why did this happen?" Bill pulled out his phone and dialed a known expert in cleaning up these matters. He knew it was going to be a long night.

Tellan (Budd) has been lynched on Day 2.


It is Day 3. 32 hours and 0 minutes remain.

16 players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit

9 votes are required to lynch.

Oh for fucks sake, no.
Well, whoever disputed my claim that the Vipers don't know one another now has pretty big fucking evidence to the contrary.

Doing a dkt catch up, wonder what other gems will come up.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 07:52 PM

Wow.. cross with a lot...

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 07:56 PM

Seriously people, can't we stop the pissing contest and look at the facts. Here let me type them up in a totally non-biased manner


1. Day 1 - Fener is nearly lynched but not enough votes
2. Day 2 - Barghast gets 3 votes (the most all day)
3. Mockra pops up with a case on Tellan and votes accordingly
4. Barghast pops on with a better Tellan than me post and votes accordingly
5. Rashan quickly hops off the Barghast vote and switches to Tellan
6. Tellan ends up getting lynched.

Theres your scum team. Also, I was targeted for a NK last night (I suspect its because I started the Barghast case and train). Luckily I had a BP and so didn't die. I am putting this out there so that a gaurd doesnt have to reveal and hopefully we have a healer present to protect me. It also adds credibility to my case a bit so

Vote Barghast

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 07:56 PM

View PostShadow, on 10 December 2009 - 07:50 PM, said:

I didn't ask that question the first time, to use your own line against you, try reading the thread.

Perhaps you could read the rest of the case, or the thread, instead of claiming I am 'necroing' one thing from day 1?

Why are you defending Sorrit so hard? Know something the rest of us don't?


Yes you did. Aside from your first dozen or so posts of nothingness, your only post that had even the slightest amount of content was 387 wherein you started with your Sorrit case by asking a bunch of rhetorical questions that were already answered. Then you disappeared from the face of usefulness until just recently where you came back on and voted Sorrit for "the same reasons as yesterday". And presumably you would've just run off again after that if I hadn't decided to call out your bullshit and have you actually react and participate a little.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 08:01 PM

View PostKaratallid, on 10 December 2009 - 07:56 PM, said:

Seriously people, can't we stop the pissing contest and look at the facts. Here let me type them up in a totally non-biased manner


1. Day 1 - Fener is nearly lynched but not enough votes
2. Day 2 - Barghast gets 3 votes (the most all day)
3. Mockra pops up with a case on Tellan and votes accordingly
4. Barghast pops on with a better Tellan than me post and votes accordingly
5. Rashan quickly hops off the Barghast vote and switches to Tellan
6. Tellan ends up getting lynched.

Theres your scum team. Also, I was targeted for a NK last night (I suspect its because I started the Barghast case and train). Luckily I had a BP and so didn't die. I am putting this out there so that a gaurd doesnt have to reveal and hopefully we have a healer present to protect me. It also adds credibility to my case a bit so

Vote Barghast


Now we're getting somewhere! You voted for Barghast before, right Karat? On the one hand they could've tried to kill you before you made a good case out of it since no one really listened much to it yesterday, but on the other hand it could be a load of WIFOM on Barghast, too.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 08:01 PM

Hmmm Rashan are you a little confused about the case? GL's case seems to imply he would think I am the Bride rather than the Assassin, since the first occasion was based on supposing the Bride was on to PM pathshaper to kill off Spite.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 08:03 PM

@ Liosan- I hate the Coincidence defense... so convenient.

@ Gaylyn Lord- I kept meaning to bring this up, but kept getting sidetracked. After our little spat day 1 you pretty much dropped it. Some people brought up the fact that you had quite the overeaction to my Day 1 crap case on you. You haven't mentioned it since. Did I do something that made you drop it? Or were you just trying to get a train started against me?

@ Shadow- there have been 2 nights in a row with no NK... the possibility of a FM is really really low

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 08:06 PM

Wow more x-postage

@ Lio- you are right.. his case makes no sense... his first case was that you were the bride... his next case is that you are the assassin. I am an idiot.

remove vote

GL i am a bit dense, would you please explain.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 08:08 PM

View PostKaratallid, on 10 December 2009 - 07:56 PM, said:

Seriously people, can't we stop the pissing contest and look at the facts. Here let me type them up in a totally non-biased manner


1. Day 1 - Fener is nearly lynched but not enough votes
2. Day 2 - Barghast gets 3 votes (the most all day)
3. Mockra pops up with a case on Tellan and votes accordingly
4. Barghast pops on with a better Tellan than me post and votes accordingly
5. Rashan quickly hops off the Barghast vote and switches to Tellan
6. Tellan ends up getting lynched.

Theres your scum team. Also, I was targeted for a NK last night (I suspect its because I started the Barghast case and train). Luckily I had a BP and so didn't die. I am putting this out there so that a gaurd doesnt have to reveal and hopefully we have a healer present to protect me. It also adds credibility to my case a bit so

Vote Barghast


ummm i didn't vote Tellan.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 08:10 PM

View PostKalse, on 10 December 2009 - 08:01 PM, said:

View PostKaratallid, on 10 December 2009 - 07:56 PM, said:

Seriously people, can't we stop the pissing contest and look at the facts. Here let me type them up in a totally non-biased manner


1. Day 1 - Fener is nearly lynched but not enough votes
2. Day 2 - Barghast gets 3 votes (the most all day)
3. Mockra pops up with a case on Tellan and votes accordingly
4. Barghast pops on with a better Tellan than me post and votes accordingly
5. Rashan quickly hops off the Barghast vote and switches to Tellan
6. Tellan ends up getting lynched.

Theres your scum team. Also, I was targeted for a NK last night (I suspect its because I started the Barghast case and train). Luckily I had a BP and so didn't die. I am putting this out there so that a gaurd doesnt have to reveal and hopefully we have a healer present to protect me. It also adds credibility to my case a bit so

Vote Barghast


Now we're getting somewhere! You voted for Barghast before, right Karat? On the one hand they could've tried to kill you before you made a good case out of it since no one really listened much to it yesterday, but on the other hand it could be a load of WIFOM on Barghast, too.


I thought about that, but if you will notice, before I voted Tellan, I pointed out that I thought Bargy and Mockra had railroaded the Tellan lynch.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 08:12 PM

View PostRashan, on 09 December 2009 - 05:39 PM, said:

Kinda Piecing together what I have read so far. Mockra seems to be in the middle of it all. I think Kara and Tellan might be on to something. Meaning that Mockra might be symping Barghast. He comes out with his game imploding plan to see how it's received. Kinda back tracks Then says he's just being retarded. Calls himself a jackass and then goes after Fener for his reaction.

View PostMockra, on 09 December 2009 - 08:41 AM, said:

I didn't say my plan was workable, I was just being a jackass really.

However, Fener, it technically WOULD be testable, i.e., I could (for example, I am not actually revealing) reveal as "Elle". Maybe the bride automatically reacts to an "I'm a viper" reveal and day vigs that person. This would be rather solid information. And if it DIDNT work, then nothing would be lost actually. Obviously, it wouldn't even be POSSIBLE for all non-vipers to reveal at once, so that we would all die or whatever. Who is strawmanning?

But EITHER WAY, as Eloth said, goofy plan or not, big assumptions or not, YOUR REACTION is really dodgy.



Then, even though he has already said his plan is silly, He's willing to test it. To me this screams symp. What better way to get your stupid "outing" plan working than to test it, if the bride is on your side, she'll do whatever you want. We then go on with the plan and basically out the Vipers...

View PostMockra, on 09 December 2009 - 08:56 AM, said:

Hell, I'm willing to personally test it if you want. If PS is confirmed as being around, I'll fake reveal as a viper. If I'm killed almost immediately, you'll have your answer. If I live, you have another answer.

The Bride is Watching YOU sounds to me like some sort of 24 hour surveillance threat, which sounds more like a game rule than an individual day vig ability.


Reposting Kara's post because if Mockra is a Symp, this case can be made that Barghaast is the one he is symping.

View PostKaratallid, on 09 December 2009 - 02:01 PM, said:

View PostMockra, on 08 December 2009 - 04:14 AM, said:

View PostBarghast, on 08 December 2009 - 03:57 AM, said:

I am here now.

I thought Fener was accusing Shadow of saying they were the assassin through emote use, but then what do I know. However, it is Fener so he may be a good choice.

Not a lot going on other than spam about dragonsex and your momma jokes otherwise.



Vote Barghast

It's been a while since I've seen such a wishy-washy-hedging-summarizing-dont-ruffle-feathers post.



View PostBarghast, on 08 December 2009 - 04:27 AM, said:

View PostMockra, on 08 December 2009 - 04:14 AM, said:

View PostBarghast, on 08 December 2009 - 03:57 AM, said:

I am here now.

I thought Fener was accusing Shadow of saying they were the assassin through emote use, but then what do I know. However, it is Fener so he may be a good choice.

Not a lot going on other than spam about dragonsex and your momma jokes otherwise.



Vote Barghast

It's been a while since I've seen such a wishy-washy-hedging-summarizing-dont-ruffle-feathers post.


Really? What games have you been playing?



View PostMockra, on 08 December 2009 - 04:33 AM, said:

I've been playing mafia games! :p


Common man, read your own post. WEAK!


Remove Vote


Im back. No kill last night was nice. I went back over the thread, and the above posts seem to really stand out to me. Mockras vote seemed to be a serious vote, the barghast responds with, what games have you been playing, and thats enough to get mockra to remove his vote. What strikes me as odd, is Mockra was voting Barghast for being wishy washy, and middle of the road. Then suddenly Mockra is being wishy washy himself. Looks like it might be signalling. Im still re-reading, but thought this needed some attention.



He calls the plan dumb, he says he's a jack ass but after a page of it being shot down, he's still talking about it. Why are you pushing this so hard Mockra?

View PostMockra, on 09 December 2009 - 02:03 PM, said:

Let me spell this out for the slow ones. This scenario ONLY WORKS if the vipers can communicate with each other, AND revealing as a viper = an auto kill.

My retard plan in full:

1. All non-vipers reveal, one at a time and are killed by the bride.

2. That leaves only the vipers, the bride and the assassin alive.

3. Vipers lynch the bride and the assassin (in whatever order they feel like)

4. Town drinks vodka to celebrate (HD will be jealous for not playing)


The reason I voted Fener (and Eloth saw it too) is Fener came on and said something basically to the effect of the bride and assassin would be able to cruise with this scenario, indicating he knows something about those roles. Eloth says it better below.



*snip* (basically it's Eloth Quote on why he voted Fener.)




Then Tellan Spots this. The Barghast reaction does come off very self righteous. Fitting in with the Mockra symping of Barghast.

View PostTellan, on 09 December 2009 - 04:33 PM, said:

View PostBarghast, on 09 December 2009 - 02:37 AM, said:

I see we've already greatly lessened our chances of winning. Good job guys. Both one of the Bride's targets and a likely roled character down before the day one lynch.

Can't say I like this post.

Barghast conviniently avoids the argument at the time, and then comes in righteously after the fact.

It's a post that looks designed to make himself look more innocent by coming in agressively on spites death after the event, a safe position after we know he's a viper.

It does't contribute in any way whatsoever as it's just attacking those who were actually contributing at the time, after he's knows that spite was a viper, it doesn't advance the game at all, it just serves to make him look better.

vote barghast



So it's Day 1 part Deux. and this seems just a little too coincidental for me. I'm not against a Fener vote at this point, I am not against any vote at this point, but for now

vote Barghast



Thats my one big post for the day, back to work. i can be off and on for snippets of the day, but no extended time. I am not married to this vote, but as far as Day 1/2' s go.. I have felt worse about my votes.

If Time permits I will go back and look at some of Bargys other posts to see if it meshes with this. If it doesn't I'll remove. It's still early and I don't think a speed lynch is in our best interests.


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