[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 24 hours, 8 minutes remain.

1 Vote Shadow (Fener)
1 Vote Fener (Olar Ethil)

Not voted: Everyone else

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Heading to bed for the night. Enjoy yourselves <3

[Barghast]

Olar Ethil, on 08 December 2009 - 04:48 AM, said:

well, we're stated in the OP that the chapel massacre DID occur, so i'm assuming Tommy died.

ofc, the one person who's bound to survive is the organ player. I bet he's the assassin,

I am not familiar enough with the films to see that, but reading the wiki again I can see that make sense. So likely no Tommy, but still a few possible characters who may have reason to sympathise with the Bride.

[D'riss]

Wow, I have forgotten so much of what happens in the movies. Thank you wiki!

I doubt the Bride's faction will be larger than three people, since she basically has to kill the 'roled innocents' and the serial killer, not gain numerical advantage. So more likely a small, hard to kill faction.

Got work to do, be on again later.

[Galayn Lord]

Checking in.

Why can't we say the Bride's real name? It's not even anything special, it's only B*EEEEEEEEEEEP*e

[Galayn Lord]

Olar Ethil, on 08 December 2009 - 03:46 AM, said:

hmm, so, nobody's here, i'm gonna sit down and speculate


this game seems rather straightforward. we've got Town, who must defend the vipers, and we got the Bride, who wants to kill the vipers, and we got the assasin who wants to kill everyone.

so, assuming the assassin is the pred role, with some serious BPs or double kills, i'm gonna leave him for now, and try to figure out who could be helping out the Bride.
the one person who instantly comes to mind is Pai Mei. maybe Hattori, too.

in either case, seems the smartest thing for the town is to try to eliminate the Bride.

however, unless anything better pops up, I want to vote off Fener for his moronic "reveal"

Oh, a post who is neither ascii puns nor dragonsex!

Not sure what you mean by "We need the Assassin dead and he must be hard to kill, so let's keep him for late in the game" bit.

[Galayn Lord]

Path-Shaper, on 07 December 2009 - 08:21 AM, said:

• You make quote and/or fake quote your PMs. Just be careful, as The Bride is always watching you.
• If killed, you will be asked to stay on your alt.

Anyone has any idea what these two things mean?

[Korbas]

Galayn Lord, on 08 December 2009 - 08:19 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 07 December 2009 - 08:21 AM, said:

• You make quote and/or fake quote your PMs. Just be careful, as The Bride is always watching you.
• If killed, you will be asked to stay on your alt.

Anyone has any idea what these two things mean?

I consider the first to be a warning of some kind.The second is a rule started a while ago. Dead players would not be name-revealed upon CF, so that people could try to impersonate them. Had something to do with a Faceless Man being fucked by CF if he posed as player X, when that players name would come up on CF on a whole different alt.

[Galayn Lord]

"asked to stay on your alt" means that your identity won't be CFed? Doesn't sound like the same thing to me.

[Korbas]

Galayn Lord, on 08 December 2009 - 08:35 AM, said:

"asked to stay on your alt" means that your identity won't be CFed?  Doesn't sound like the same thing to me.

It has rather little use not having your (player) identity CFed if you then see the player posting in SH, now does it?

[Galayn Lord]

Oh I see.

[Spite]

morning gents.

[Spite]

no one else noticed we have no indication of the total number of players or the players needed to lynch? I seriously hope we have no sock puppets or any other crap.

[Fener]

Hrm, Olar Ethil now intrigues me. I'm not sure how I 'revealed', given I actually accused someone else of being the Assassin. Unless you're talking about alt revealing, which is equally BS as someone claiming Uganda, and someone claiming Poland.
Then, the priorities. The Bride is meant to be hunting the Vipers. The Assassin is hunting everyone. Town loses if the Vipers die. How do we choose between two people both trying to get rid of the Vipers? We go for the one which is more dangerous - to me, the quoting/bs-ing PM's rule sounds like the Bride has help, but Ethil subtly implies the Assassin will be a more hardcore character than the Bride....then votes me, I'm assuming on the basis of my 'reveal'.....which is as the Assassin, from his perspective. THEN says we should not be going for the Assassin. WTF?

Now, unless Ethil is serious about the vote on me, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Ethil is actually roleless inno throwing stuff around. So, meh. Smacks of a more aggressive player trying to seem hard-line and intense. Then again, I'm the Fener alt, which sucks balls 'cuz I'm highly likely to be lynched on nothing.

Coming back around to my original point, however,

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so, assuming the assassin is the pred role, with some serious BPs or double kills, i'm gonna leave him for now, and try to figure out who could be helping out the Bride.
the one person who instantly comes to mind is Pai Mei. maybe Hattori, too.

in either case, seems the smartest thing for the town is to try to eliminate the Bride.

this quote is what gets me. "try and figure out who could be helping the Bride" - but no, that's useless speculation. Character names will not help us unless someone is dumb enough to post a role PM claiming a named role like that. Searching for *names* is not going to get us anywhere. And certainly not in *either* case does the Bride make the most logical person to attack, because if the search for Bride aides is useless, we want to go after the strongest threat to the town that we might actually be able to pin down.

I just...don't like this suggestion to go for the Bride in exclusion to the Assassin. Either you *are* the Bride (and we've seen that one before: "Let's hunt the FM!", "Hey, you're the fucking FM and you've been leading the charge against him!"), or you're a crappy symp for one side.



Anyway, just getting my thoughts on Olar Ethil down. Considering the rest of the game so far is mostly spam (my own posts included), there ain't a lot else to analyse. But I'm gonna remove my Shadow vote, 'cuz it was, of course, a joke. Then I shall depart for bed.

Remove vote

[Liosan]

ZING!

Heading off now for work. Will check back in soon.

Edit: @Spite

This post has been edited by Liosan: 08 December 2009 - 09:52 AM

[D'riss]

I would think that with The Bride's Victory conditions being a subset of the assassin's victory conditions (sortof), she would be easier to kill, or at least have weaker NAs than the assassin does. The Bride has to kill 6 people to win, whereas the assassin has to kill everyone. Which means the Bride is likely to hit her victory conditions sooner than the assassin. So from that light she's a slightly higher priority, but discussion along these lines is normally moot in any case.

I hope we dont get into a situation where all the Vipers are dead, but the assassin and bride are still alive, since then there's a situation where there's a whole bunch of people playing who have no way to win.

[Fener]

One last:

If we get to that scenario, then it will be up to the two major roles to try and sway the sheep, which would in turn expose them to each other for NK's if a lynch fails. Plus, any non-Viper vigs lying around would sway the game, too. *shrug*

Doubt it will come to that...hope it won't come to that.

[Spite]

D, on 08 December 2009 - 10:05 AM, said:

I would think that with The Bride's Victory conditions being a subset of the assassin's victory conditions (sortof), she would be easier to kill, or at least have weaker NAs than the assassin does. The Bride has to kill 6 people to win, whereas the assassin has to kill everyone. Which means the Bride is likely to hit her victory conditions sooner than the assassin. So from that light she's a slightly higher priority, but discussion along these lines is normally moot in any case.

I hope we dont get into a situation where all the Vipers are dead, but the assassin and bride are still alive, since then there's a situation where there's a whole bunch of people playing who have no way to win.

You speak of the impossible young man. The bride will win once her targets are dead, so what difference will it make to the rest of us if she and the assassin are still alive. The assassin must kill the bride before the last of the vipers fall or they too will lose. Clearly the bride is everyone's primary target as her victory conditions are the easiest to attain.

[Korbas]

I dislike how people speak of priorities, as if we have the luxury of choice.

After all, finder and CF results excepted, there is no way of knowing the alignment of whomever you target/ lynch.

Moreover, taking out the Assassin before we take out The Bride will from there on roughly halve the chances that a kill targets one of the Vipers, assuming The Bride and Assassin are capable of 1 NK each, thus buying more time for us to also get rid of The Bride.

In the quite frankly unlikely instance where we have the luxury of knowing the identity of both, of course we should lynch The Bride first, but up until then, I wouldn't pass up on the opportunity to get rid of the Assassin as well.

edit: adding the Enters I had there in the first place. The boards upgrade seems to mess with a whole lot of things

This post has been edited by Korbas: 08 December 2009 - 12:14 PM

[Korbas]

Spite, on 08 December 2009 - 09:43 AM, said:

no one else noticed we have no indication of the total number of players or the players needed to lynch?  I seriously hope we have no sock puppets or any other crap.

I'd assume 1 alt per player, as usual, with maybe no definite number since it is uncertain whether or not dkt plays.Furthermore, lynch is quite likely to be half +1, as usual, too. I assume that is in the standard rule wall of text.

[Sorrit]

Spite, on 08 December 2009 - 11:18 AM, said:

D, on 08 December 2009 - 10:05 AM, said:

I would think that with The Bride's Victory conditions being a subset of the assassin's victory conditions (sortof), she would be easier to kill, or at least have weaker NAs than the assassin does. The Bride has to kill 6 people to win, whereas the assassin has to kill everyone. Which means the Bride is likely to hit her victory conditions sooner than the assassin. So from that light she's a slightly higher priority, but discussion along these lines is normally moot in any case.

I hope we dont get into a situation where all the Vipers are dead, but the assassin and bride are still alive, since then there's a situation where there's a whole bunch of people playing who have no way to win.

You speak of the impossible young man. The bride will win once her targets are dead, so what difference will it make to the rest of us if she and the assassin are still alive. The assassin must kill the bride before the last of the vipers fall or they too will lose. Clearly the bride is everyone's primary target as her victory conditions are the easiest to attain.

Yo, tone down the condescension, man. You gotta read the rules properly before you go shooting your mouth like that. If you had, you'd have seen that the Assassin is one of the Bride's targets.

I do agree that the Bride is who we've gotta look for first, so you're not all wrong. But chill before you go jumping on people like that dude.

EDIT: Crosspost with Korbas (like the new avi!)

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 08 December 2009 - 12:20 PM