[Spite]

maybe there are no modkills nut you specifically said i copuldnt die until johnny was dead so how did the bride kill me then?

[Spite]

YOU FUCKING WANKER

[Path-Shaper]

Dibs says he really wants to reveal... alas =( Town learns that lesson the hard way, sadly.

Spite, on 08 December 2009 - 10:48 PM, said:

i really wanted to anyway, and considering my crazy 88 i just have to pray its not korbas as he symped the fuck out of me. but this will draw a fuckload of kill attempts.

88 bps??

ST figures out who Dibs is... too late.

Sorrit, on 08 December 2009 - 10:51 PM, said:

OK, scrap that Spite = DiBs guess. No way would he implode like that.

The anger makes me think Vengence, but he's not playing. Ergo it's either Bent or Obdi, and given Obdi said he'd be lowposting, I guess it must be Bent.

Some of the worst play I've seen in a very long time by him there. And given how often the implosions have been coming recently, that's saying something. Seriously, you've said you don't want to get into a pissing contest. So don't get into a pissing contest! It's that easy!


Sir Thursday

[Path-Shaper]

Spite, on 08 December 2009 - 11:06 PM, said:

YOU FUCKING WANKER

Bitch, you don't have a future -- Reveal Kill, 3-time automatic use. If any player, other than Bill, ever reveals their character, you will kill them. You may not use this against people who reveal their role mechanics, ONLY if players reveal their role name. This works for both real and fake reveals. This will bypass any and all protection mechanics.

As you can see, I wanted to stop mass reveals. Sorry, Dibs, it's a tough death for your team. =(

[Path-Shaper]

Tapperbas goes for another swap.

Korbas, on 08 December 2009 - 11:01 PM, said:

nightly Misschief:Kalse to Sorrit, please.

TellanGrief with the last minute lulz:

Tellan, on 08 December 2009 - 11:00 PM, said:

Spite better not fucking kill me. His play didn't make sense. He's provided a nice contrast to me. I hope to look more innocent because I am attacking him, and playing very differently to him, so people won't think "hmm, roled?" hopefully.

Tellan, on 08 December 2009 - 11:04 PM, said:

Nominate this cross-post for hall of fame.

Path-Shaper, on 08 December 2009 - 10:59 PM, said:

Fft fft fft fft fft.

Footsteps move quickly through the underbrush, bee-lining the fancy establishment. Inside, an argument is clearly brewing.

"Enough, gentlemen! You dare show insolence to a leader of the Yakuza?!" The voice, that of O-Ren Ishii, was hostile and adamant. "Now, cease this FOOLISH bickering AT ONCE!"

The room was silent, but only for a moment.

CRASH

A large window suddenly shattered. There was a sudden gasping and gargling sound.

O-Ren Ishii lay in her chair, a look of complete shock and horror on her face as she realized that a pair of shurikens lay buried in her throat. She feebly reached to grab them...

The last thing she probably thought was, What the hell just happened?

Spite (O-Ren Ishii) has been executed by The Bride for revealing.

Spite, on 08 December 2009 - 11:01 PM, said:

Kalse, on 08 December 2009 - 10:59 PM, said:

well fuck in a can

remove vote

healer, thats your cue to heal spite tonight (I know this shouldnt bear saying but we have an inexperienced playing so better safe than sorry)

barring a counter-reveal of course

healer - dont bother. i aint a defenceless little bitxh, i am a deadly viper assassin ffs. the bride can bring it on.

[Path-Shaper]

Tapper still thinks it was DKT and not Dibs

Korbas, on 08 December 2009 - 11:23 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 08 December 2009 - 11:21 PM, said:

lol I love baiting people into a false sense of security.

I don't know what was in his role PM, but it must have been crazy powerful for a day 1 reveal by dkt. Nicely played, nicely played. It killed what remains of the day, though... but no matter, we're one big dude(tte) down already.

[Path-Shaper]

Moderator note: Right now, the day is shaping up to be a no lynch, unless there's a flurry of votes at the end of the day (5 players sitting at 1 vote right now). Pai Mei's kill will hit Eloth (Nikki Bell) unless changed. I don't see any other major action happening.

Kalse has gained a kill (and lost a vote required to lynch) with Spite's death, too, but I see no indication D'rek is going to use that kill right now.

[Path-Shaper]

Tellan, on 09 December 2009 - 12:20 AM, said:

1 Vote Fener (Olar Ethil)
2 Votes Galayn Lord (Rashan, Sorrit)
1 Vote Tellan (Spite)
1 Vote Rashan (Galayn Lord)
1 Vote Korbas (Liosan)

Spites vote still counts?

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2009 - 12:20 AM, said:

Shoosh you!

Tellan, on 09 December 2009 - 12:24 AM, said:

Hey, that was a serious question

Also, if you can tell me:

The brides excecution thing.

Were I to say, reveal on thread, would my BP count if I activated excecution like Spite, thus protecting me from her for the rest of the game?

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2009 - 12:26 AM, said:

First, do you really think I'm going to answer that?

Second, do you really want to risk trying it?

Tellan, on 09 December 2009 - 12:50 AM, said:

Oh, and fener is either silencer or someone pretending to be him.

Picked one of his signature tells, a hugely obvious one, so could really be either.

I could check up I suppose, using time zones, and when he's logged on to modcraft and stuff, but really can't be bothered...

Tellan, on 09 December 2009 - 12:55 AM, said:

Hmm, kalse defended Spite earlier...Interesting, but not worth bring onto thread(since why would an inno out someone less likely to be scum but more likely to be Viper?).

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 09 December 2009 - 02:32 AM

[Path-Shaper]

Barg ap nudd is frustrated by the time zone difference.

Barghast, on 09 December 2009 - 02:35 AM, said:

I go to work and O-Ren is dead by the time I get home, dang. Looks like I was right about the timezone difference making it tough to try and protect them on thread.

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2009 - 02:51 AM, said:

It's a tough break, especially for a newer player. Hope it doesn't taint your perception of playing, in general.

For what it's worth, it should be fairly obvious from your re-read that Spite kind of imploded and suffered a consequence for doing so. Not sure how much you could have done.

Also, just because one target is down, doesn't mean the game is automatically over. It's a marathon, not a sprint

[Path-Shaper]

Shin's upset at the turn of events on the thread. He has a good reason to be.

Mockra, on 09 December 2009 - 03:17 AM, said:

HEY!

I thought she couldn't die if I was alive!

Mockra, on 09 December 2009 - 03:33 AM, said:

Seriously, PS

If there really is a "trump" card that cancels my role, then my PM needs to be worded differently from the very beginning.

If we can't at the very least trust the information that we are given in our rolePM, then what's the point of trusting the word of Path Shaper? This isn't an insane finders game or something.

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2009 - 04:23 AM, said:

Sorry to frustrate you, you're going to have to wait until spoilers to see =/

I know how annoying it can be.

Mockra, on 09 December 2009 - 05:31 AM, said:

I can understand guards or finds or whatever not going through due to certain power roles and other things like that. After working D'reks game, I can understand complex role intertwining.

But the wording of my PM seems pretty clear cut. I am alive. She can't be killed. You went so far as to specifically clarify that O-Ren CAN be lynched.

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2009 - 05:35 AM, said:

You can re-add me to your list if it makes you feel better. Sorry!

Silencer knew he was never in any trouble.

Fener, on 09 December 2009 - 04:51 AM, said:

And I'm rofling my ass off.

Vehement play nets votes = lynchable = good for me.

And I *almost* posted in response to this:

Quote

so, with Eloth and Brgy, we could get Fener to L-3... lol

Actually, that'd be L-5...good luck there, guys.

Heh.

But, we'll see where this goes.

Gwynn won't be tainted to future mafia games just because Dibs blew up on thread.

Barghast, on 09 December 2009 - 04:53 AM, said:

Nah, it won't taint my perceptions of the game, maybe a day one lynch with invectives about how much of an imbecile I had been might (though probably not), but a bit of bad luck won't.

Heading off the Spite/Tellan argument early by choosing someone else who was on to go after may have prevented the implosion and gotten me lynched instead, which would probably have been better for town.

Eloth plays it boring for night.

Eloth, on 09 December 2009 - 04:37 AM, said:

My night action is weird, I'm not sure what is the best way to use it.

I was considering switching night actions to GL and hoping we both aren't targeted for kills so try and stop a kill. But what if I get GL guarded when previously he wasn't. U


I can also just do random stuff and swap around but I dunno if its going to help anyone.

Since I got no obvious reads on anyone or anything at the moment, I'll just be boring:
No action tonight.

Eloth, on 09 December 2009 - 05:27 AM, said:

Being an eternal optimist I now present you with the following silly question: Can I specify myself as one of the people that gets swapped for night actions?

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2009 - 05:28 AM, said:

Yes.

Rashan changes his action at the last second... and now causes nothing to happen (Shadow is NK immune).

Rashan, on 09 December 2009 - 05:19 AM, said:

New NA kill Shadow if we don't get a lynch.

If we get a Lynch Kill Gay lord

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2009 - 05:23 AM, said:

Talk about a buzzer beater... 1 minute to go, new action is in.

Noted.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 09 December 2009 - 05:40 AM

[Path-Shaper]

So nobody dies.

Elle and Bill get their own messages back (lol).

[Path-Shaper]

Sir Sorrit quickly figures out what happened last night and devises a good plan to try and avoid potential repercussions.

Sorrit, on 09 December 2009 - 01:16 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 09 December 2009 - 10:51 AM, said:

Ergo someone used an action on either myself or Bill that returns all actions to sender.

Going off the worst case scenario, I think it would be prudent for me not to try and kill anyone tonight (since there is a good chance the reflector (if that's who it was) will target me again (and we wouldn't want that kill to come back and hit me, now would we?

Question: If I choose not to kill someone tonight, can I kill tomorrow instead?


ST

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2009 - 03:25 PM, said:

Yes, if you abstain tonight, you may do it tomorrow night. You are allowed to kill on non-consecutive nights.

He also sets up another message try for Night 2.

Sorrit, on 09 December 2009 - 01:34 PM, said:

Here's my message for Bill tonight:

Hey Bill, it's Elle here. I tried to send you a message yesterday but I got targetted by some kind of Reflecting ability that meant my text got sent back to me. I get kills on even numbered nights, but I'm not going to use one tonight just in case I get targetted by the reflection ability again (of course, if that happens, you won't get this message). At the moment I don't know who you are - mention breakfast cereal in your first post tomorrow so I know you (I'm Sorrit AKA Sir Thursday, BTW).

SilenceFener is certainly having a ball right now.

Fener, on 09 December 2009 - 07:59 AM, said:

*repeated facepalm*

Oh how I love my mafia.

Just hoping I don't overdo the anger/get too many sheeple failing to read my posts properly - currently with one or two per day it's a good thing, but if that builds up I'm going to have to rely on the extra two votes to keep me alive. And the night BP to prevent any vigs who get too frustrated with me...

Damn, I'd forgotten what fun this was! XD

(Also note effort to not use too many 'weird emotes' while posting )

Baudkend is curious about his reveal-kill.

Alkend, on 09 December 2009 - 11:57 AM, said:

ok now another question because im not sure. by the wording of that no future rule, the person who said "im Elle" should be dead right? not that i want to kill them but it says if they reveal their name they die, whether it is fake or not...
clarification would be nice here

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2009 - 03:32 PM, said:

Fair question. Are you referring to this post?

Mockra, on 09 December 2009 - 06:17 AM, said:

I wonder if the reveal has to be true to be day vigged by the bride. If I said "I'm Elle" right now, even though that is a false reveal, would I get day vigged anyways?

If so, the answer is 'no' because this is the subjunctive ("what if"). Mockra is asking "if he/she were to reveal" and not actually revealing. It's a bit dicey and I'm trying to act in the spirit of the game, so if I see that kind of phrasing used consistently to get around your kill, I will probably act on it, but I don't see anything harmful in it right now.

Alkend, on 09 December 2009 - 03:34 PM, said:

I know i was just checking to make sure Think i was pretty damn lucky that Oren decided to reveal on day one anyway

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2009 - 03:38 PM, said:

Heh heh, one man's luck is another's extreme frustration, I'm sure you know.

Bentatallid is speculating as to who might be problematic.

Karatallid, on 09 December 2009 - 02:20 PM, said:

Alt - who are our top suspects right now?

I honestly feel that Fener looks scummy, I dont like how hard it was to get a lynch on him.
Mockras pinged my radar slightly with that barghast post (but that would be mockra as symp, bargy as master)
and finally I dont like how Rashan is playing, though thats mostly gut.

Thoughts?

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 09 December 2009 - 03:39 PM

[Path-Shaper]

The Bride and Hattori Hanzo have a friendly conversation.

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2009 - 07:16 AM, said:

Alkend is The Bride.
Shadow is Hattori Hanzo, and is working with The Bride.

On Night 1, The Bride visited Hattori Hanzo to get a sword created. For the duration of Day 2 ONLY you may talk off-thread and discuss whatever you wish.

Alkend, on 09 December 2009 - 12:22 PM, said:

hello

Shadow, on 09 December 2009 - 02:30 PM, said:

A hoy hoy.

Alkend, on 09 December 2009 - 02:35 PM, said:

So whats your assessment atm. Im thinking Olar looked a bit dodgy so i may try and get him lynched, but other than that im not sure as i wasnt lying about my computer playing up last night

Shadow, on 09 December 2009 - 02:39 PM, said:

I'm catching up atm, this is Obdi here, who is this?

Do you know any more of our possible allies?

Alkend, on 09 December 2009 - 02:49 PM, said:

This is Baudin, i have absolutely no idea who my allies are, just that you're one of them.

Shadow, on 09 December 2009 - 02:57 PM, said:

Excellent.

My votes don't count.

I have a permenant night BP. I also need 2 extra votes to lynch me.

I can, tomorrow night, give someone 'bad sushi' that makes it so they need 1 less vote to be lynched.

Alkend, on 09 December 2009 - 03:01 PM, said:

nice, i have a ridiculous number of things, many are automatic like i couldnt vote yesterday due to just coming out of a coma. then i needed to get a sword. Then i kill people if they reveal, not if they reveal their role mechanics just if they reveal their name whether its fake or not, oh and i kill people who say my name as well

Alkend, on 09 December 2009 - 03:01 PM, said:

oh and the reveal kill doesnt happen if its bill

Shadow, on 09 December 2009 - 03:04 PM, said:

Ok ... I was thinking about revealling Hanzori yesterday and saying I was sad for giving the bride a sword, and wish to attone for it or something. Good thing I didnt.

Awesome, so any fake name-reveals die? I can reveal and say I'm afraid to say my name... excellent.

Alkend, on 09 December 2009 - 03:10 PM, said:

Yeah the way i understand it if you dont reveal your name, then your safe, im still waiting on some clarification but yeah.
but doesnt look like other people would know that so might not be a good idea to reveal

Obdi has a huge hand right now in that he knows how the Bride's auto-reveal kill works. He can totally game the system to his advantage.

[Path-Shaper]

From the main thread...

Galayn Lord, on 09 December 2009 - 07:58 AM, said:

Well, there was 20 minutes between the reveal and the death scene. That's pretty fast.

I will go under the assumption that the Bride's daykill ability is not passive, so it means the Bride saw it right away and sent the PM. Since there is no mod post between the reveal and the scene, though, we can't be sure about that.

Here are the players that were posting during the reveal: Kalse, Tellan, Sorrit, Korbas.

But, more important IMO, the posters that posted shortly before the reveal, did not post between the reveal and the scene, and posted again some time after: Liosan, Fener.

If was the Bride and saw the reveal, I would act like the people in the second group. It's not the strongest argument, but it's the only kind of lead I can see for now.

Of the two I find Liosan the most likely candidate, I won't quote the whole thing but you can go back and see his posts before, and some time after the events


vote Liosan

Jump Around is walking on dangerous water here. This EXACT train of logic is what allowed HoosierDaddy to win my Team Fortress 2 game. Everyone thought he wasn't the spy because he was on a specific time that made it look like he couldn't be the spy, but trying to figure out 'timing' is always dangerous. What if the mod was missing? What if the ability is automatic (as in this case).

Here's the other side of the coin from Shin

Mockra, on 09 December 2009 - 09:10 AM, said:

You're asking me?

In my opinion, with no lynch, a lost viper and nothing happened at night, we're working with less info than a typical day 1...




One thing I'll point out is PB is encouraging meta, GL was doing just that with his "who was around" vote. I don't like that -time frame- reasoning though, too much room for error.

Shin's definitely got this one down, but he was dealt a poor hand. I wonder if he will sacrifice himself to test the theory (and in the process reduce the auto kill to 1 remaining...)

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 09 December 2009 - 03:46 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Alkend hopes Mockra's plan doesn't go into full action...

Alkend, on 09 December 2009 - 03:47 PM, said:

yeah so actually Mockras idea would be good for them but im not telling them that and now its out i reckon il only possibly get one more kill when someone reveals a random name, thinking that only vipers die

Kalse sees that the text message was bounced back... and goes D'oh! Still, better to learn early than late, right?

Kalse, on 09 December 2009 - 03:42 PM, said:

Aw for fucks sake, there's switchy mechanics in the text-messaging? So now that ability is useless because I can't ever send anything pertinent again for fear that it ends up in the Bride's hands...

Tapper sets up another night of mischief with his boss.

Korbas, on 09 December 2009 - 03:42 PM, said:

Nightly Misschief: Redirect all from Kalse to Karatallid and vice versa, please - Kara just proved he isn't a Viper as Kalse voted Spite, so I am happy sacrificing him for my boss.

also, will you tell me if my BP is gone?

alt'riss is right on the money in most of his theories.

D, on 09 December 2009 - 03:44 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 09 December 2009 - 02:20 PM, said:

Alt - who are our top suspects right now?

I honestly feel that Fener looks scummy, I dont like how hard it was to get a lynch on him.
Mockras pinged my radar slightly with that barghast post (but that would be mockra as symp, bargy as master)
and finally I dont like how Rashan is playing, though thats mostly gut.

Thoughts?

I dont really have a read on anyone yet. It normally takes me a couple of days to get a feel for the players, at this point there's still tons of wishywashy players, so people tend to stick in my mind because they're loud,not because they're scummy. Bit of a wierd feeling about Sorrit, but nothing definite.

Korbas is probably Tapper, he's being his reasonable self, but his playstyle is pretty standard no matter how he's roled.

Mockra could be a symp, and his plan at the moment is a little foolhardy. Still, it's early for a symp to start trying to distract people.

Fener could possibly be strongly roled, he definitely feels like he knows something other people dont, but since everyone is supposed to have some sort of role I reckon a lot of people will have some sort of information. It also seems like it might be Silencer behind the alt, in which case he's being a little more active than usual. Sortof thing I would put a find or guard on, but I dont think it's enough to try use in a case. We should definitely keep an eye on him though.

I think the bride is likely going to be more active than the assassin at this point to try find symps and sniff out Vipers, assassin is probably hanging back.

Bent thinks differently of the killers' motives.

Karatallid, on 09 December 2009 - 03:59 PM, said:

I think I disagree with that last point. I thought they would both lay low for the first couple of days, try and find out the best candidates for vipers, then pick them off, the assassin wouldn't want to hit the vipers early, so would keep an eye out for people like me, who are speculating wildly about the vipers (this is kind of a strategy of mine to draw NKS.) Since we have a free one.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 09 December 2009 - 04:01 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Obdishadow lets Baudin know who he thinks are good kill targets. The first one is a jackpot (Elle). The second one is Sofie, removing a voting threat. The third is B.B. Obdi's on fire this game!

Shadow, on 09 December 2009 - 04:08 PM, said:

As I posted in the thread, I am worried about Sorrit.

As for the rest of them, let them fight amongst themselves. I would guess that each deadly viper knows 1 other, who dosen't know them. In a sort of chain like that.

I assume you have a kill at night now that you have your sword.

My current targets are, in this order:

Sorrit, Olar Ethil, Korbas. I would GUESS that Fener is a 'roleless inno' type.

Alkend, on 09 December 2009 - 04:25 PM, said:

yeah, i can kill now. I had the same thought as you basically though i would think that all the vipers would know bill and maybe one other like i posted on thread

Shadow, on 09 December 2009 - 04:28 PM, said:

Ok Captain Butters,

First, has anyone alt-guessed me yet?
Second, When I give someone stinky sushi, do they know it was my alt, or my role name, or anything like that?

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2009 - 04:43 PM, said:

I can't tell you if anyone has alt guessed you.

If you give someone sushi, they will be NOT be informed about anything other the fact that they now require 1 less vote to lynch.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 09 December 2009 - 04:43 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Sir Sorrit slighly amends his message to Bill.

Sorrit, on 09 December 2009 - 06:12 PM, said:

I'd just like to alter that message slightly:

Hey Bill, it's Elle here. I tried to send you a message yesterday but I got targetted by some kind of Reflecting ability that meant my text got sent back to me. I get kills every other night, but I'm not going to use one tonight just in case I get targetted by the reflection ability again (don't wanna fall on my sword ). At the moment I don't know who you are - mention breakfast cereal in your first post tomorrow so I know you (I'm Sorrit AKA Sir Thursday, BTW).

[Path-Shaper]

Jump Lord elaborates on his strategy for the back room.

Galayn Lord, on 09 December 2009 - 08:44 PM, said:

Hee hee, I've been basing my game on Vengeance's last game, where he was cruising along and dripping scum along the way.

I'm trying to look scummy, or at least to not sound RI, and I think people are picking up on it. I got a few votes on day 1, which I like. With 2 killer teams around, if they think I'm the other scum, or one of the Vipers, they will try me at night. As long as my daughter is alive, that's buying time. I'm hoping that was part of what happened last night.

If the daughter dies, I'll have to do it the old-fashioned roled inno way, i.e. sound lyncheable to be left alone. Sadly, I haven't played in a while, and with this crowd that's a thin line to walk.

Anyways, we'll see then. I'm currently not faking my lack of interest in lynches, I'm terrified to hit the wrong one. I hope information will turn up at some point, because right now every "sympage" could be roled innos trying to signal each other, and all scummy behavior could be another viper doing like me. I can't really say I have a plan to catch the Bride and the SK.

I also came up with a simple back-up plan if I need to reveal because of a lynch train on me, which is to reveal as my own daughter, with as much details as possible to make sure the real daughter understands and doesn't counter reveal (in case she doesn't know who I am). That should protect me from the lynch, and hopefully I'll entertain the Bride for at least one night after that.

It's a sound set of goals, to be sure.

[Path-Shaper]

Mockra's frustration is obvious.

Mockra, on 10 December 2009 - 03:26 AM, said:

PB, you're a smart guy, so surely you see what is going on with this "mockra's plan" nonsense.

Seriously, I'm used to everyone being smarter than me while in game. But this time, how come everyone is being a complete idiot when it comes to what I've been posting about? I hope Eloth is the bride and wins the game.

This is probably the most combative I've been in a game (barring a one time pissing contest with Obdi a while back). I guess openly calling people morons only makes them dumber.

Path-Shaper, on 10 December 2009 - 04:27 AM, said:

You've played this game enough to know that it's frequently unintended comments that get the biggest attention

[Path-Shaper]

DreKalse sets up her new message for Elle.

Kalse, on 10 December 2009 - 05:22 AM, said:

Here's my message for Elle:

Quote

[i]Hi. This is Bill. I can send you messages every night, but there is some sort of mechanic that the bride or assassin can redirect/intercept messages which is what happened last night and why you didn't get a message from me (I assume. It was redirected back to me from my perspective). I already know your role, but not your alt. What I'd like you to do is signal me by using the word monkey sometime in Day 3.

Either you'll get this message successfully and no one else will know to look for that, or it'll be redirected/intercepted, you won't get the message and whoever does end up with this message won't know anything beyond that it was sent by Bill. If you successfully receive this, I'll signal you back by quoting your monkey post and using the word Uganda.

Sorry about all this paranoia, but on the flipside if I wasn't overly cautious the bride or assassin could end up learning both our alts and roles.

I do not want to use my vig.

Thanks.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 10 December 2009 - 05:34 AM