[Path-Shaper]

/nod It's intended to be extremely powerful because obviously the Bride has 2 faction members and one of them can't even vote (and Obdi has been really shoddy about using his power all game, on top of that). Plus you have to realize that Rashan is going to really have to consider killing Kalse at some point and IIRC the only person he thinks is virtually unkillable is Shadow.

Shadow is unlynchable at this point in the game, but if Rashan kills the new Kalse to hone in on a victory, it should be an interesting stand-off. I'm not sure Sorrit can win on his own, although with the players left in the game, HP is basically on his team since HP still needs to kill Kalse (the Bride), and the game can't continue until the Bride and her allies are STOPPED (which means stopping Shadow once he inherits the powers).

So HP + Sorrit (and HP can keep giving Sorrit kills if he realizes Kalse isn't friendly any more)
vs Kalse + Shadow
vs Rashan

I really don't see any option for the town to win other than:

today (5): Lynch Rashan and have Shadow or Kalse be the hammer vote--possible with Kalse trying to double-vote off Rashan
tonight: Kill Kalse, Rashan tries to kill Shadow and fails
tomorrow (4): Lynch Rashan, kill Shadow who kills HP the same day.
day after (1): Sorrit is last man standing and wins for town, HP also wins because the Bride and Bill were both dead

So basically, Town needs some things to go their way and they need to lynch correctly. I think any non-Rashan lynch today is a town loss because Rashan pretty much can't lose at 4 players with his lynch protection and tempting 3-man offer.

[Path-Shaper]

D'rek, Sorrit's messages to you were CONSTANTLY rerouted by Korbas and then after he died, Eloth did it once. Then I think Sorrit got guarded or something, and the early day end caught him completely with his pants down.

Whatever the case was, he never once got a message to you.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 17 December 2009 - 05:19 AM

[Alkend]

Path-Shaper, on 17 December 2009 - 05:18 AM, said:

D'rek, Sorrit's messages to you were CONSTANTLY rerouted by Korbas and then after he died, Eloth did it once. Then I think Sorrit got guarded or something, and the early day end caught him completely with his pants down.

Whatever the case was, he never once got a message to you.

and no doubt thought that I was getting them all the while. You know, I had at one point been planning to do my usual crazy-ass-over-extended coding setups, and he'd have known I wasn't getting them when he just sent me a straight reply and I didn't notice... but I was lazy and didn't feel like doing all that work (especially since it was a total waste last time I went all out on the coding in Locke Lamora). Oh well.

Hard to say if I think town ever really had a shot at this. Looking at all the roles, I think we did, but obviously losing two vipers quick and a slew of other bad chance, combined with Baudin doing very well in hiding sealed our fate. I will say, though, that the Assassin being Pai Mei was pretty screwy for town, since it's pretty plausible he'd be town, there's nothing canon to suggest he would go on an assassin-rampage, and there's no faction results to any finds or anything else in the game... hence he can reveal as Rashan just did and while he won't automatically be completely off the hook he won't be high on anyone's priority list. Ah well, I'm sure it was a hellish role to do well and Dude is doing well with it so maybe that's just my bias.











...still pissed about the cell phones though...

[Alkend]

Path-Shaper, on 17 December 2009 - 05:17 AM, said:

I really don't see any option for the town to win other than:

today (5): Lynch Rashan and have Shadow or Kalse be the hammer vote--possible with Kalse trying to double-vote off Rashan
tonight: Kill Kalse, Rashan tries to kill Shadow and fails
tomorrow (4): Lynch Rashan, kill Shadow who kills HP the same day.
day after (1): Sorrit is last man standing and wins for town, HP also wins because the Bride and Bill were both dead

So basically, Town needs some things to go their way and they need to lynch correctly. I think any non-Rashan lynch today is a town loss because Rashan pretty much can't lose at 4 players with his lynch protection and tempting 3-man offer.

This won't happen, as even if they did lynch Rashan *and* Kalse is the hammer vote, Sorrit won't target Kalse and Rashan won't be alive to do it either. Game over for Town, but could be pretty close between Bride and Assassin (and Tarantino?)

[Path-Shaper]

I think ultimately this will be tainted by how bad of a start the town got, but I think they had a pretty reasonable chance

[Liosan]

Yeah, I think it could have been much closer if it wasn't for blow up in the first two days. Ah well, ever next time. Remind me to play like I did this time when I am next scum, I barely got any suspicion

Imp

[Barghast]

I agree, town lost one of its strongest roles and players on the first day, which also left two other roles at a disadvantage and led to losing another viper on day two.

[Path-Shaper]

The Dude has a plan.

Rashan, on 17 December 2009 - 06:37 AM, said:

Kill hoods path..... if he's dead

Kill Sorrit

Kill Kalse

Kill Shadow


Ok... here is the problem, I still think Frickin shadow is on the bride's side. SO... hoping that I can take him with me to the win. Cause it doesn't seem i can FREAKING KILL HIM... WTF. sorry, had to get that out there.. feel like Austin powers with the Fembot... WHY WONT YOU DIE!!

So my plan.. either get one of them to vote me of and Kill them with my lynch BP. then NK someone... Bill's BP's migtht be an issue, so maybe try to get him to hammer me. take it to 3 and take shadow with me.

OR, get them to vote off HP, say i found him and he is the assassin. Get them to lynch him and then Kill Sorrit at night. Take it to 3 and tell them i'm the assassin, offer the win to shadow, if he accepts, we vote off Bill, if not, they vote me off.. whoever hammers dies and I kill the other one.

Kk, thats my plan. Everyone is prolly laughing up in SH, but i am pretty proud I managed to live through yesterday with no lynching!

[Path-Shaper]

Obdi's plan is borderline diabolical.

Shadow, on 17 December 2009 - 01:43 PM, said:

Can I lower someone's to-be-lynched count to 0, causing them to be automatically lynched when day starts?

Shadow, on 17 December 2009 - 02:48 PM, said:

If it is, I hereby submit the following provisional:

Give Sushi to sorrit, then kalse, alternating like that every night.

Path-Shaper, on 17 December 2009 - 02:52 PM, said:

Someone will always require at least one vote to lynch. I considered what you were talking about before, but deemed it just a bit too much if you were alive near the end of the game.

Shadow, on 17 December 2009 - 02:57 PM, said:

So I have no chance of winning the game at this point, is what you are telling me.

Guess after the Assassin dies it is a stalemate. Although technically they have 'stopped' the brides allies (me), I am still alive and they cannot kill me.

GK wants to out whoever tried to kill him... it was Sorrit. Sorrit is lynched with a single vote today, which could make today VERY interesting.

Hood, on 17 December 2009 - 02:34 PM, said:

So whoever tried to kill me will die with one vote on them.

Dunno why GK is trying to give a kill to Kalse if Kalse is, at worst, Bill... he needs Bill dead.

Hood, on 17 December 2009 - 02:35 PM, said:

give sorrit a kill

Hood, on 17 December 2009 - 02:54 PM, said:

Change it to Kalse

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 17 December 2009 - 02:59 PM

[Path-Shaper]

GK wants to out his killer... but he had better be careful... he's going to get himself killed by Rashan.... which then ends the game with a Bride + Pai Mei victory!

Hood, on 17 December 2009 - 02:58 PM, said:

So I can kill my attempted murderer with a vote?

Path-Shaper, on 17 December 2009 - 03:00 PM, said:

If that person only requires a single vote, then yes.

Obdi think he's done for but in reality, he's on the verge of winning.

Path-Shaper, on 17 December 2009 - 02:59 PM, said:

Now you're just putting words in my mouth =O

Shadow, on 17 December 2009 - 03:01 PM, said:

No, I am thinking in text and sending it to you. If I was putting words in your mouth it would be like this:

The Peanuttbutta then dith say: Harken unto me, my mafiosos. Thine on fellow, Obdigore, is your master in all the things of this world, and the next. Also, I am PB and I love boobies.

Path-Shaper, on 17 December 2009 - 03:02 PM, said:

The fun part is that your statement isn't too far off what I'd actually say!

Baudin shows up and isn't sure what to think.

Kalse, on 17 December 2009 - 03:02 PM, said:

Hmmmm, well im guessing, HP might actually be telling the truth about the vig possibly, he was very likely to be the one who ended day as well, hmmm i dont know how to play this

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 17 December 2009 - 03:04 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Baudin sets up his own kill.

Kalse, on 17 December 2009 - 03:06 PM, said:

As Bill seems likely to have had a vig himself, so whilst i know i should have used a vig yesterday i dont know if it was given to me or if i had it all along, and the wrong move here will tip sorrit off

oh yeah and while your here
provisional kill
Rashan or HP (whichever isnt lynched)

[Path-Shaper]

GK knows he's down to 2 players who tried to kill him.

Hood, on 17 December 2009 - 03:13 PM, said:

You still there?

If shadow isn't dead and Sorrit isn't dead then that means my attempted murderer is either Kalse or sorrit.

It couldn't have been one of my vigs.

Also bill wouldn't allow kalse to continue this long masqeruading as him. Who is sorrit though.

Path-Shaper, on 17 December 2009 - 03:16 PM, said:

I assume you mean "If Shadow isn't dead and Rashan isn't dead..." above. And you did not lynch either of them.

Obdi is struck oddly by GK's reveal.

Shadow, on 17 December 2009 - 03:08 PM, said:

So... you don't love boobies then? I know the first part is correct

So HP just 'revealed' as Tarantino. that seems so odd to me. So very very odd.

Path-Shaper, on 17 December 2009 - 03:18 PM, said:

I <3 boobies!

Baudin wants to do... something. Double vote?

[Path-Shaper]

GK can be really dense sometimes. Right now he doesn't claim to know who Sorrit or Shadow are... despite there being pages about them and reveals and what not. Now he's fishing for info!

Hood, on 17 December 2009 - 03:17 PM, said:

I voted for shadow

Hood, on 17 December 2009 - 03:19 PM, said:

And Rashan.

you noted both votes, if either one had tried to kill me they should be dead by now as my vote would have lynched them.

Or am I missing something?

Path-Shaper, on 17 December 2009 - 03:21 PM, said:

You're fishing for information here... it's up to you to figure it out. Your votes for Shadow and Rashan did not lynch either one today.

Baudin's reveal may come back to harm him... HP's vigs don't affect him.

Kalse, on 17 December 2009 - 03:21 PM, said:

Now lets hope i made the right guess and HP wasnt trying to get me to out myself

GK notes the discrepancy I just talked about.

Hood, on 17 December 2009 - 03:22 PM, said:

Kalse said that he tried to kill me, but I though my vigs wouldn't work on me and I would have maintained my BP?

Path-Shaper, on 17 December 2009 - 03:24 PM, said:

That is correct. Your role PM is stated accurately.

[Path-Shaper]

The table is being set for the final showdown. GK's PM post was smart enough to leave out key information (-2 votes after a failed lynch or NK, needs Bill to die). Here he realizes something may be amiss!

Hood, on 17 December 2009 - 03:27 PM, said:

So he used a kill on me ok why am I thinking there is something more to Kalse and sorrit being vipers.

Thursday realizes how precarious his position is... but knows that he's not likely to attract votes from people. The wild card is GK... what if he puts a test vote on Sorrit?

Sorrit, on 17 December 2009 - 03:49 PM, said:

Hmm...interesting. So someone has targetted me with an action that makes me easier to lynch? Better hope I don't get a vote on me. I think that means there must be a bridesmaid about.

Baudin could be in a lot of trouble here... a vote on Rashan could get him killed... he's in the list of Rashan's kill targets. The only way this goes well is if Sorrit and HP both vote and one of them hammers.

Kalse, on 17 December 2009 - 03:37 PM, said:

ok by my reckoning with 3 to lynch i can get Rashan if HP is on the train as well if i use my palm thingy, so im going to vote Rashan. if HP follows then multiply it, otherwise dont
that ok?

Path-Shaper, on 17 December 2009 - 03:58 PM, said:

Sorry, but Day actions cannot be used as provisionals. You must let me explicitly know when you wish to multiply the vote.

Baudin caught something from GK ninja-editing, too... ah chain refreshers can be so keen in this game.

Kalse, on 17 December 2009 - 03:53 PM, said:

Hmmm sneaky HP is sneaky, he just edited out the end part of that PM, which said something about people being easier to lynch if they try and kill him

GK's finally putting it together, but it may be too late for him.

Hood, on 17 December 2009 - 03:57 PM, said:

I need to kill bill.

Give sorrit my vig instead of kalse.

I'm going to vote for Bill.

Hood, on 17 December 2009 - 03:57 PM, said:

As I believe I don't need to be alive to win my vc?

Path-Shaper, on 17 December 2009 - 04:00 PM, said:

Correct. In order to win, you simply need to be alive when the VC happens. The game does not end until the conditions stated in the thread.

Noted.

[Path-Shaper]

Poor GK...

Hood, on 17 December 2009 - 04:05 PM, said:

don't tell me sorrit tried to kill me, I'm fucked then.

[Path-Shaper]

Well the game ended with GK suiciding on the Sorrit lynch vote. Was a lot of fun to mod. Apologies to Ment for killing him on accident early, and hope everyone had a good time!

[Giles]

Yay i won (i still dont like being scum though but somehow seem to be getting it quite a lot )

[General King]

Fuck if Kalse had tried to fucking kill me and I would have won, damn it.

Whoever sorrit is will hate me for this.

[General King]

Damn there was no way to win that with the way I played. I was going what if Kalse was the bride.

[General King]

I kept forgetting that I needed Bill dead that why.