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I think he's currently the biggest non-participant culprit and I'd like to at least get a vote out before bed.
Hopefully people will be a little more sociable over night.
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 06:35 AM
The standard Merc policy is to kick a faction while it's down and to hunt for any of the common threats. That way there's chance of hitting one of your own teammates and you give away less about which faction you are in. So I'm not sure why everyone is so keen to try keep the factions balanced by eliminating all of the faction leaders before targetting any subordinates.
As for common threats - I dont really see any, unless they're the lone wolves that someone mentioned - I dont see anything about them in the OP, or are we working from info in the signup thread?
As for my low post count - I hate to cite RL but I've been a fair bit busier than I thought I would be when I signed up. I should have a little more time to contribute tonight at least.
@Tulas - your misgivings about me where centered around a comment I made regarding the day degenerating into everyone jumping onto whatever train wasnt their leader - it's exactly what happened, but you'll notice that I wasnt one of those people. If you want to go after people for playing non-contributory mafia, spite listed a whole bunch of people that justed jumped on the bandwagon and have low postcounts.
Since my original vote for Ano was partly due to the fact that I thought he was getting symped and he turned out to be a leader, I'm going to
vote Spite
Since he's the least likely person to be in my faction at this point.
As for common threats - I dont really see any, unless they're the lone wolves that someone mentioned - I dont see anything about them in the OP, or are we working from info in the signup thread?
As for my low post count - I hate to cite RL but I've been a fair bit busier than I thought I would be when I signed up. I should have a little more time to contribute tonight at least.
@Tulas - your misgivings about me where centered around a comment I made regarding the day degenerating into everyone jumping onto whatever train wasnt their leader - it's exactly what happened, but you'll notice that I wasnt one of those people. If you want to go after people for playing non-contributory mafia, spite listed a whole bunch of people that justed jumped on the bandwagon and have low postcounts.
Since my original vote for Ano was partly due to the fact that I thought he was getting symped and he turned out to be a leader, I'm going to
vote Spite
Since he's the least likely person to be in my faction at this point.
#184
Tulas Shorn
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 06:57 AM
Hmnm, you would think that me voting you 2 days in a row would make ME least likely to be in your faction.
"standard" policy? I think it's more along the lines of "this is what we lazily do in merc games" rather than play more aggressively.
Your post sir, has convinced me just a little bit more that you are likely a leader. :cool:
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The standard Merc policy is to kick a faction while it's down and to hunt for any of the common threats. That way there's chance of hitting one of your own teammates and you give away less about which faction you are in. So I'm not sure why everyone is so keen to try keep the factions balanced by eliminating all of the faction leaders before targetting any subordinates.
"standard" policy? I think it's more along the lines of "this is what we lazily do in merc games" rather than play more aggressively.
Your post sir, has convinced me just a little bit more that you are likely a leader. :cool:
#185
Okaros
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 07:08 AM
Tulas Shorn, on 10 February 2010 - 06:57 AM, said:
Hmnm, you would think that me voting you 2 days in a row would make ME least likely to be in your faction.
"standard" policy? I think it's more along the lines of "this is what we lazily do in merc games" rather than play more aggressively.
Your post sir, has convinced me just a little bit more that you are likely a leader. :cool:
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The standard Merc policy is to kick a faction while it's down and to hunt for any of the common threats. That way there's chance of hitting one of your own teammates and you give away less about which faction you are in. So I'm not sure why everyone is so keen to try keep the factions balanced by eliminating all of the faction leaders before targetting any subordinates.
"standard" policy? I think it's more along the lines of "this is what we lazily do in merc games" rather than play more aggressively.
Your post sir, has convinced me just a little bit more that you are likely a leader. :cool:
You voting me two days in a row would only make you unlikely to be in my faction if I was a faction leader. Since I'm not, I cant really be sure you're not in my faction. I'm not 100% sure of Spite either, but he does seem to be the least likely person to be in my faction.
Going after the weakend faction isnt neccessarily lazy play. You can still play pretty aggressively and gather a lot of info by doing so. Mafia 31 is a good example of exactly that happening.
#186
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 09:42 AM
Hurm. Leader lynch day one - good.
Low-posters are likely to be leader strategy - good.
Chasing up weakened faction - good idea. Great idea, in fact. Unlikely to yield results on day two, however. Of course, I've been stung by that sort of thing in the past, hence why I like the idea. XD
Anyway, had a busy day today, and only got on late yesterday, hence low-posting. Promise to be more active in about 12 hours.
In the meantime,
Vote Spite
As that's the path most likely to reduce a weakened faction. It probably won't work, but on day two a lynch is still a lynch. And votes are still votes - they allow us to line up allegiances, though in turn that is open to subversion. Of course, now I'm just talking general tactics yadda yadda...sleep now.
Low-posters are likely to be leader strategy - good.
Chasing up weakened faction - good idea. Great idea, in fact. Unlikely to yield results on day two, however. Of course, I've been stung by that sort of thing in the past, hence why I like the idea. XD
Anyway, had a busy day today, and only got on late yesterday, hence low-posting. Promise to be more active in about 12 hours.
In the meantime,
Vote Spite
As that's the path most likely to reduce a weakened faction. It probably won't work, but on day two a lynch is still a lynch. And votes are still votes - they allow us to line up allegiances, though in turn that is open to subversion. Of course, now I'm just talking general tactics yadda yadda...sleep now.
#188
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 12:46 PM
I'm glad to see that we actually did hit a leader. I'm surprised there was not more attempts at distractions, but then anomandaris certainly didn't do himself any favours. Alternatively, it's hard to say what kind of sizes the different factions will have this game, or at least it's hard for me, not having played any of the previous games.
Wipe out? I'm not bothered by reducing the faction further. It's risky listing Anomandaris' faction as being broken already. One certainly wont benefit from underestimating them this early I think.
Why exactly where you going for Okaros though?
Though I'm not a big fan of arguing standard practice -mainly because the majority of people are daft- I'd think Spite to be an ideal fall back plan if all else fails. However, throwing everyone a get out of jail card by immediatly going for Spite seems not the soundest of strategies. After all, we need to be able to map out the different factions, and focusing solely on one certainly wont accomplish that.
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Tulas Shorn, on 10 February 2010 - 01:52 AM, said:
Well, the other question that we need to consider is, if Spite was with Ano do we need to wipe out an already reduced faction?
I voted early for Okaros, and wasn't around as the Ano train continued.
I voted early for Okaros, and wasn't around as the Ano train continued.
Wipe out? I'm not bothered by reducing the faction further. It's risky listing Anomandaris' faction as being broken already. One certainly wont benefit from underestimating them this early I think.
Why exactly where you going for Okaros though?
Okaros, on 10 February 2010 - 06:35 AM, said:
The standard Merc policy is to kick a faction while it's down and to hunt for any of the common threats. That way there's chance of hitting one of your own teammates and you give away less about which faction you are in. So I'm not sure why everyone is so keen to try keep the factions balanced by eliminating all of the faction leaders before targetting any subordinates.
As for common threats - I dont really see any, unless they're the lone wolves that someone mentioned - I dont see anything about them in the OP, or are we working from info in the signup thread?
As for my low post count - I hate to cite RL but I've been a fair bit busier than I thought I would be when I signed up. I should have a little more time to contribute tonight at least.
@Tulas - your misgivings about me where centered around a comment I made regarding the day degenerating into everyone jumping onto whatever train wasnt their leader - it's exactly what happened, but you'll notice that I wasnt one of those people. If you want to go after people for playing non-contributory mafia, spite listed a whole bunch of people that justed jumped on the bandwagon and have low postcounts.
Since my original vote for Ano was partly due to the fact that I thought he was getting symped and he turned out to be a leader, I'm going to
vote Spite
Since he's the least likely person to be in my faction at this point.
As for common threats - I dont really see any, unless they're the lone wolves that someone mentioned - I dont see anything about them in the OP, or are we working from info in the signup thread?
As for my low post count - I hate to cite RL but I've been a fair bit busier than I thought I would be when I signed up. I should have a little more time to contribute tonight at least.
@Tulas - your misgivings about me where centered around a comment I made regarding the day degenerating into everyone jumping onto whatever train wasnt their leader - it's exactly what happened, but you'll notice that I wasnt one of those people. If you want to go after people for playing non-contributory mafia, spite listed a whole bunch of people that justed jumped on the bandwagon and have low postcounts.
Since my original vote for Ano was partly due to the fact that I thought he was getting symped and he turned out to be a leader, I'm going to
vote Spite
Since he's the least likely person to be in my faction at this point.
Though I'm not a big fan of arguing standard practice -mainly because the majority of people are daft- I'd think Spite to be an ideal fall back plan if all else fails. However, throwing everyone a get out of jail card by immediatly going for Spite seems not the soundest of strategies. After all, we need to be able to map out the different factions, and focusing solely on one certainly wont accomplish that.
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#189
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 01:46 PM
Ok seems we were right about Ano being a leader 
Now im not sure whether to go for Spite on the chance that he was in Anos faction and so weaken that faction further, or go for Okaros because im starting to believe he could be another leader because of his strong talk of not looking for other factions.
I think at the moment its probably better to go for Spite, because I think theres more chance of Spite not being on my faction than Okaros but im going to hold off for now to see what new information presents itself.
Now im not sure whether to go for Spite on the chance that he was in Anos faction and so weaken that faction further, or go for Okaros because im starting to believe he could be another leader because of his strong talk of not looking for other factions.
I think at the moment its probably better to go for Spite, because I think theres more chance of Spite not being on my faction than Okaros but im going to hold off for now to see what new information presents itself.
#190
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 01:46 PM
Korvalain, on 10 February 2010 - 12:46 PM, said:
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Oh god, he's a Terminator!
#192
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 03:04 PM
Tulas Shorn, on 10 February 2010 - 06:57 AM, said:
Hmnm, you would think that me voting you 2 days in a row would make ME least likely to be in your faction.
"standard" policy? I think it's more along the lines of "this is what we lazily do in merc games" rather than play more aggressively.
Your post sir, has convinced me just a little bit more that you are likely a leader. :cool:
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The standard Merc policy is to kick a faction while it's down and to hunt for any of the common threats. That way there's chance of hitting one of your own teammates and you give away less about which faction you are in. So I'm not sure why everyone is so keen to try keep the factions balanced by eliminating all of the faction leaders before targetting any subordinates.
"standard" policy? I think it's more along the lines of "this is what we lazily do in merc games" rather than play more aggressively.
Your post sir, has convinced me just a little bit more that you are likely a leader. :cool:
actually, hunting for members of a faction that was weakened by a random day 1 lynch is a time-honoured practice, that's been in play ever since Mafia 17
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 03:31 PM
Good morning!
I'm not sure that I agree with hunting down a weakened faction for two reasons. It 1) allows every other faction to try and win an arms race against my faction. And 2) it does nothing to help me determine who else is in my faction. Ano's faction is completely crippled. I don't know how many starting factions there are, but I'd imagine it's in the neighborhood of 3-6 (each faction having 2-4 members, maybe a lone wolf faction in there). A faction of a few people that has already lost its leader is going to have an absolute nightmare of a time trying to win the game.
It's much more prudent to hunt down other leaders, IMO.
I'm not sure that I agree with hunting down a weakened faction for two reasons. It 1) allows every other faction to try and win an arms race against my faction. And 2) it does nothing to help me determine who else is in my faction. Ano's faction is completely crippled. I don't know how many starting factions there are, but I'd imagine it's in the neighborhood of 3-6 (each faction having 2-4 members, maybe a lone wolf faction in there). A faction of a few people that has already lost its leader is going to have an absolute nightmare of a time trying to win the game.
It's much more prudent to hunt down other leaders, IMO.
#195
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 03:40 PM
Current votes:
Okaros (Tulas)
Liosan (Meanas)
Spite (Okaros, Liosan)
So Liosan has popped out of the woodwork to drop a second vote on Spite. And Korvalain, although he hasn't voted, hasn't committed to voting anyone else, and has soft-spoken some support for Spite as a back-up candidate. This kind of behavior just pisses me off. Why are people still saying "We should consider lynching this guy" and not either 1) voting them or 2) offering some alternative(s)? This looks like an attempt to offer support of Okaros's case, without committing to it too early and starting a train.
Here's a kicker for me.
Yesterday's votes:
8 votes Anomandaris (Meanas, Okaros, Korvalain, Ruse, Telas, Tennes, Korbas, Sukul Ankhadu)
2 votes Okaros (Tulas Shorn, Anomandaris)
1 vote Sukul Ankhadu (Omtose)
Korvalain followed Okaros onto the train. It's safe, IMO, to say that Tulas is not a sub of Okaros, since he voted him both days (yesterday may have been a signal, today unlikely). Ano obviously wasn't a sub of Okaros. So if we're looking at yesterday's votes as any form of signal, I'd be extremely dubious about people that vote on the same train who seem to have similar interests in the following days.
Today, Korvalain follows that pattern.
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Vote Okaros
Okaros (Tulas)
Liosan (Meanas)
Spite (Okaros, Liosan)
So Liosan has popped out of the woodwork to drop a second vote on Spite. And Korvalain, although he hasn't voted, hasn't committed to voting anyone else, and has soft-spoken some support for Spite as a back-up candidate. This kind of behavior just pisses me off. Why are people still saying "We should consider lynching this guy" and not either 1) voting them or 2) offering some alternative(s)? This looks like an attempt to offer support of Okaros's case, without committing to it too early and starting a train.
Here's a kicker for me.
Yesterday's votes:
8 votes Anomandaris (Meanas, Okaros, Korvalain, Ruse, Telas, Tennes, Korbas, Sukul Ankhadu)
2 votes Okaros (Tulas Shorn, Anomandaris)
1 vote Sukul Ankhadu (Omtose)
Korvalain followed Okaros onto the train. It's safe, IMO, to say that Tulas is not a sub of Okaros, since he voted him both days (yesterday may have been a signal, today unlikely). Ano obviously wasn't a sub of Okaros. So if we're looking at yesterday's votes as any form of signal, I'd be extremely dubious about people that vote on the same train who seem to have similar interests in the following days.
Today, Korvalain follows that pattern.
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 03:42 PM
I'd also like to state that I do, otherwise, agree with the sentiment that Spite is the most likely person to be on Ano's faction, and thus the least likely to be on mine, but I know the pain of being in a leaderless faction all too well and it is NOT easy to win.
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 03:43 PM
It is Day 2. 25 hours and 41 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Okaros, Omtose, Ruse, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu, Telas, Tennes, Tulas Shorn
7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.
2 Votes for Spite ( Okaros, Liosan )
2 Votes for Okaros ( Tulas Shorn, Meanas )
Players not voted: Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korvalain, Omtose, Ruse, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu, Telas, Tennes
13 Players still alive: Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Okaros, Omtose, Ruse, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu, Telas, Tennes, Tulas Shorn
7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.
2 Votes for Spite ( Okaros, Liosan )
2 Votes for Okaros ( Tulas Shorn, Meanas )
Players not voted: Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korvalain, Omtose, Ruse, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu, Telas, Tennes
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Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 04:03 PM
Omtose, on 10 February 2010 - 03:04 PM, said:
actually, hunting for members of a faction that was weakened by a random day 1 lynch is a time-honoured practice, that's been in play ever since Mafia 17
Lynching newbies ASAP is also a time-honoured practice, that doesn't mean it's necessarily good or anything.
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 04:30 PM
Meanas, on 10 February 2010 - 03:42 PM, said:
I'd also like to state that I do, otherwise, agree with the sentiment that Spite is the most likely person to be on Ano's faction, and thus the least likely to be on mine, but I know the pain of being in a leaderless faction all too well and it is NOT easy to win.
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Bloody hell, that statement screams of distancing to me. Right now im really not sure about you, you could be on Ano/Spite team from that comment and a few of your others which caught my attention yesterday. But theres also the fact that you were the first vote on Ano, and were one of the ones who sort of pushed him, which sort of muddies the water.
At the moment for Anos faction id have to say i suspect Spite (duh?) with Meanas being the next most likely.
But right now im thinking that the best move at the moment would be to leave Anos faction as it is because its probably safe for now being leaderless and try to bring down another leader. So with that in mind im going to
Vote Okaros
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 04:46 PM
Telas, on 10 February 2010 - 04:30 PM, said:
Meanas, on 10 February 2010 - 03:42 PM, said:
I'd also like to state that I do, otherwise, agree with the sentiment that Spite is the most likely person to be on Ano's faction, and thus the least likely to be on mine, but I know the pain of being in a leaderless faction all too well and it is NOT easy to win.
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Bloody hell, that statement screams of distancing to me. Right now im really not sure about you, you could be on Ano/Spite team from that comment and a few of your others which caught my attention yesterday. But theres also the fact that you were the first vote on Ano, and were one of the ones who sort of pushed him, which sort of muddies the water.
At the moment for Anos faction id have to say i suspect Spite (duh?) with Meanas being the next most likely.
But right now im thinking that the best move at the moment would be to leave Anos faction as it is because its probably safe for now being leaderless and try to bring down another leader. So with that in mind im going to
Vote Okaros
lol, ok then, Telas. If you think I would signal my leader with an early Day 1 vote (a normal Mafia tactic), and then LEAVE the vote on without offering other possible cases, and then after Ano's lynch, I would try and out other members of my now crippled faction... you sir, are clearly enjoying better recreational drugs than I, and I would like to arrange a meeting with your dealer.
Seriously though, that is pretty funny
