[Okaros]

Anomandaris, on 09 February 2010 - 03:47 PM, said:

Okaros just a little point why say you are adding pressure to a lynch. First it kind of obvious that what you are doing. And you also suggest that you are fishing with the " I'd like to see if there's something there".

Suggesting that this vote is solely to guage reaction by openly stating it you are going to affect how people will react to the votes on me and your vote especially it can get you a much different result than what you have got if you said I think Ano slipped there. THat would have got a nice reaction to what you said.

By saying it a fishing for reaction vote you weaken the bait but you're said it to cover your arse.

Which suggests you may have something to play for you said it yourself this game is more about blind luck the first few days until you figure out factions. The first person to figure it out has an advantage. The best time to do this is as early as possible.

If you are a faction leader I appluad you as it well done you done a move that will get you some results hopefully you guarding yourself by saying it was a fishing vote will weaken the reactions but it protects your arse.

Everyone has something to play for, not just faction leaders. Noone is going to step forward and offer to be lynched.

Maybe attacking you on some other slight and seeing who reacted would have been a better move, but unfortunately I tend not to be devious. Worst case noone agrees with me and your hypothetical followers have nothing to worry about. But even with me stating that I'm voting just for the reaction, if pressure on you reaches the point that your lynch looks like it might be possible, your followers will have to mount some sort of defense or diversion or have to sell their leader down the river day one.

I'm not sure what you mean by your last statement there. You seem pretty concerned for a second vote...

[Anomandaris]

On first day the smartest thing to do is to not be connected to anyone. If that means allowing a team mate to die so be it.

The cost analysis is better to lose one man of a team in a lynch than give all members of the team away.

Due to that simple fact even if I was a faction leader with surordinates they should leave me to the wolves.

If I'm neutral of have no allies why should anyone risk their neck for me.

I think most of us remember twilight and what happened.

And it mafia we all want to get to end game, if I die or get lynched so be it but on first day is not fun.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Seems everyone have their tentacles out, taking in the playing field, so to speak.

Ano is either signaling he is recruitment material or he is setting a trap of some kind - there is no such thing as non issue with any statement in mafia, regardless of how innocent it may or may not be.

[Meanas]

Yeah, I'm not really sure I buy the "for the greater good" argument, either, Anomandaris. Simply put, a faction that loses its leader on Day 1 is hamstrung. The subordinates now play as individuals and will likely impede each other on the path to victory. So yes, it's absolutely worth it for the cronies to show up, make some noise, and try and at least steer to another topic or candidate.

For a subordinate, sure it's better to take the bullet for the leader than let him die, but just letting yourself die for no reason is pointless. You do no good to your team, either numerically, or in terms of abilities, when you get yourself killed off so easily.

Nobody has come to your defense (and you seem to be hinting at that, with the comment about the leader letting himself get killed instead of the entire faction revealing itself), but nobody has really pushed much for you either, since it's still very much in the feelers stage.

[Anomandaris]

You going with the every statement is carefully thought of game theory for mafia Sukul?

Me I go with the chaos theory of mafia I say whatever comes to mind.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Anomandaris, on 09 February 2010 - 04:37 PM, said:

You going with the every statement is carefully thought of game theory for mafia Sukul?

Me I go with the chaos theory of mafia I say whatever comes to mind.

No, every statement is perhaps not carefully thought out, but every statement matters in mafia, whether you intended it to matter or not. Because everyone has an agenda.

Edit: this means one cannot take any statement as being random, everything has to be weighed.

This post has been edited by Sukul Ankhadu: 09 February 2010 - 04:42 PM

[Anomandaris]

Meanas I have this rule for team games they pull their own bloody weight. It up to them to protect themselves.

Want to know why I play like that, it means if they go down I'm not left there standing there as the failed defender of that person.

I will also backstab team mates on purpose if I think it will give me the win and there a game that shows I do play like this.

Vote Okaros

Simply I don't know who he is and for all I could know he may be a faction leader.

[Galayn Lord]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 09 February 2010 - 04:41 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 09 February 2010 - 04:37 PM, said:

You going with the every statement is carefully thought of game theory for mafia Sukul?

Me I go with the chaos theory of mafia I say whatever comes to mind.

No, every statement is perhaps not carefully thought out, but every statement matters in mafia, whether you intended it to matter or not. Because everyone has an agenda.

Edit: this means one cannot take any statement as being random, everything has to be weighed.

And every statement will follow you though out the whole game.

The "fore hire" statement will be suspect for the rest of the game. How ever innocent it may, or may not have been.

It in it self does not bring me to want to vote for you, but your response has been a bit "off", and will bear watching.

edit: @ano

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 09 February 2010 - 04:48 PM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 13 hours, 14 minutes remaining.

14 players still alive: Anomandaris, Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Okaros, Omtose, Ruse, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu, Tennes, Telas, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch. 7 to go to night.

2 votes Anomandaris (Meanas, Okaros)
2 votes Okaros (Tulas Shorn, Anomandaris)
1 vote Sukul Ankhadu (Omtose)

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 09 February 2010 - 04:49 PM

[Meanas]

Ano, you're painfully easy to alt-guess, so I can attest to your willingness to sacrifice your own team to win (I remember you doing so in spectacular fashion a while ago). But in a team game, why would you want that kind of player on your team to play so recklessly at the start?

[Anomandaris]

Let me put it this way Meanas I do everything for a reason, you may not figure it out as there no logic in it.

In that case you can assume I'm doing it for the hell of it.

[Galayn Lord]

Meanas, on 09 February 2010 - 04:49 PM, said:

Ano, you're painfully easy to alt-guess, so I can attest to your willingness to sacrifice your own team to win (I remember you doing so in spectacular fashion a while ago). But in a team game, why would you want that kind of player on your team to play so recklessly at the start?

If he is who I think he is(I suck to the tenth power at alt guessing)

I was at the receiving end of that back stab. I was never so mad in a mafia game before or since.

[Anomandaris]

Well we drawed the game it was either that or lose. I tried to protect you but I had to sacrifice you as we were outnumbered. That was a adrenaline rush.

[Ruse]

I am here, should be for the next 8 hrs. looks to have been some day 1 activity

[Meanas]

Galayn Lord, on 09 February 2010 - 04:58 PM, said:

Meanas, on 09 February 2010 - 04:49 PM, said:

Ano, you're painfully easy to alt-guess, so I can attest to your willingness to sacrifice your own team to win (I remember you doing so in spectacular fashion a while ago). But in a team game, why would you want that kind of player on your team to play so recklessly at the start?

If he is who I think he is(I suck to the tenth power at alt guessing)

I was at the receiving end of that back stab. I was never so mad in a mafia game before or since.

But you won the game at least

edit: Apparently my memory of the outcome is mistaken because you apparently drew.

This post has been edited by Meanas: 09 February 2010 - 05:15 PM

[Anomandaris]

Team 1 and team 2 drew the predator free for all.

[Tennes]

Stupid IP conflicts and stupid networks screwed me over for the last 13 hours or so. But hey, people have posted! Excellent. Off to read them.

[Korvalain]

So, I can't say I've got much to go on at this point. I do however feel that anomandaris' posts are much too construed just to be whatever hits his mind at the point of posting, which he seems to claim they are. Now, I certainly understand why one would do that once votes starts piling up, especially in a merc game, but this started at vote 1. Hardly the time to fear a lynch I'd think.

It's not much to go on, but it's something.

vote anomandaris

I am also bothered by the meta discussion going on above. For one it's bad form to so openly use meta in reasonings, at least to my mind, and furthermore it would be too easy to hide information in such references.

As for people not coming to anomandaris' defence, well one can equally say that surprisingly few have thrown themselves at the chance to lynch a nobody. I understand the fear of being noticed, but surely that's taking it too far.

[Galayn Lord]

Anomandaris, on 09 February 2010 - 05:17 PM, said:

Team 1 and team 2 drew the predator free for all.

And as I thought, I'm way off the mark.


I was thinking of a drunken killer partner throwing me under the bus for no reason. loooooooooong time ago.

[Korvalain]

anyways, I've got to eat but I'll return later for your enjoyment