[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 12 hours, 24 minutes remaining.

14 players still alive: Anomandaris, Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Okaros, Omtose, Ruse, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu, Tennes, Telas, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch. 7 to go to night.

3 votes Anomandaris (Meanas, Okaros, Korvalain)
2 votes Okaros (Tulas Shorn, Anomandaris)
1 vote Sukul Ankhadu (Omtose)

[Path-Shaper]

And I'm out for a bit. See you kids later.

[Meanas]

Korvalain, on 09 February 2010 - 05:28 PM, said:

I am also bothered by the meta discussion going on above. For one it's bad form to so openly use meta in reasonings, at least to my mind, and furthermore it would be too easy to hide information in such references.

As for people not coming to anomandaris' defence, well one can equally say that surprisingly few have thrown themselves at the chance to lynch a nobody. I understand the fear of being noticed, but surely that's taking it too far.

Yeah it's a standard rule to not use Meta, but I was not using meta as the basis for any case. Just remarking upon a past game.

[Meanas]

Anything else to discuss? Two votes on Okaros, one on Sukul... nobody seems willing to offer too much today.

[Anomandaris]

As we said no one really going to stick their necks out far in case they get lynched day 1.

[Meanas]

You keep acting like I'm asking people to reveal something.

I'm just wondering if anybody saw anything else vote worthy.

[Ruse]

Ok, well i am read up. Lots of Anno interaction. What jumped out at me was that it seems like Spite is Either deflecting from him, or at least trying to muddy the waters around him. Also threw in some Gaylord comments that pinged me in regards to looking for direction. Anyway, on to the quotes.



Here , to me, it looks like Spite is deflecting, getting into role speculation, while at the same time distancing from Ano.

Spite, on 09 February 2010 - 01:53 AM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 09 February 2010 - 12:10 AM, said:

Meanas, on 08 February 2010 - 09:38 PM, said:

Well I agree with the sentiments that these things usually come down to a "he's not my leader" lynch option.

Ano's earlier comment that he was selling his services struck me as odd, even if it's early-game banter. And it totally reminded me of this:

Quote

"Though he wanders with no lord or army, Lu Bu is still a fearless warrior who can ride a thousand li in a single day and slaughter a dozen men before dismounting. No man can match his prowess, what greater hero could there be?"

Since Lu Bu is a loner (and a total badass), my Day 1 interest is piqued.

Vote Anomandaris

My first instinct is that it's way too obvious, but I am curious what Ano has to say about your vote. After all this is mafia, and obvious doesn't fly unless it hangs.

I agree that it seems way too obvious. But with little else happening I am interested to hear his response.

Aside from that, it looks as if much of the first few days will be decided on luck. With everyone starting out at an army size/strength/mojo/whatever of 1, fewer than one third of the night actions are likely to go through. Actions can only succeed on those of the correct type for tonight, and even then only if the target has not already completed a successful action. Anyone who gets two successes in the first two nights may be able to do as they please afterward.

This is a side post, not sure if we have a new person in the game... but questions like this make you look like you are just wanting to lay low...go with the flow.

Galayn Lord, on 09 February 2010 - 02:34 AM, said:

I'm still here.

I haven't played one D'reks game before. Should we even lynch on day one?

here it is again, asking what we should do. Trying to gather info. Anyway, back to Spite/Anno.

Galayn Lord, on 09 February 2010 - 02:44 AM, said:

I guess it would be good to take a chance at hitting one of the leaders.

Do you think Ano is who people think he is.

If he is, do you think he should be taken out before he is snatched up?

Again, Spite deflecting from Anno.

Spite, on 09 February 2010 - 02:53 AM, said:

I assume, at least for now, that he was honest in saying he was taking the piss, but will wait to hear from him again before deciding on whether he is Lu Bu.

At the same time, in the OP it pretty much says that nobody is stronger than anyone else to start, so hunting faction leaders would be more beneficial than hunting Lu Bu. Someone like Cao Cao or Yaun Shao, whom if my memory serves correct would have significant numbers of followers by now, is a better target to prevent their factions from growing.

Again, posting that we should be going after Leaders, not hired guns. It looks like, to me, that it's possible that Meanas might have been off in his hypothesis. Maybe Anno wasn't trying to merc himself out, but throw out feelers for potential Mercs. Spite is doing everything that I would be doing as a follower to try and subtely take the attention off of my master.

Spite, on 09 February 2010 - 03:25 AM, said:

Meanas, on 09 February 2010 - 03:00 AM, said:

Hey guys, checking in at home. Fair warning, I've had a few Buds.

You have a good point about the army size action result business, Spite. Since we all start at 1, the first night is going to be entirely based upon luck of picking someone you can defeat at equal army sizes. However, the whole army-destroy ability when you hit the same personality and the guard ability of the defensive subs (which seem to only be able to block tactical players on night 1) will probably make it a bit more interesting than anyone expects.

Also, don't forget that similar-type actions are resolved in the orders they are placed, so it's quite possible for a player to do something they normally wouldn't be able to do (due to a guard for example) simply due to getting in the action earlier.

I don't really expect Ano to be Lu Bu and if he were, I doubt he'd admit it. He'd have played horribly on Day 1 to expose himself like that, especially if he's a loner. Honestly, I'm more interested to see what other people think of it than Ano himself.

No worries about the few Buds, I'm approaching the same state myself (though not with bud, never with bud).

It will be interesting to see the spoilers after this game, just to see how the first night unfolds. If we have successful NAs due entirely to similar types doubling up on someone I will laugh.

As for Ano being Lu Bu, even if he is that makes targeting him questionable. Do we take out a killer or take a stab at finding a faction leader? I would rather hit a leader myself, but if we have no real leads on one, a killer is not a bad snare for any faction who's leader was not on when Ano posted or when Meaneas connected the dots.

So this is the response after he gets called on his Odd Merc statement. It's an Odd reply. not realy a defense. Just kind of cerebral philosophising (sp) on Mafia tactics.

Anomandaris, on 09 February 2010 - 02:30 PM, said:

The only way to ever truly satisfy the demands of the mafia horde that you are on the level is to reveal. Tad too early in the game for that in my opinion. I rather tease you guys by make you wondering what I am.

Traditional mafia tactics of looking for scum are flawed as it a merc game, lynches are there to sort out who are in the factions, the faction that too obvious about it get destroyed pure and simple. Removing a faction benefits the remaining factions.

On a first day lynch it is as valid to draw a name out of the hat for your vote in a merc game.

Again, just speaking in generalities. It looks like him trying to make an out for anything he says.

Anomandaris, on 09 February 2010 - 04:37 PM, said:

You going with the every statement is carefully thought of game theory for mafia Sukul?

Me I go with the chaos theory of mafia I say whatever comes to mind.

Huh? nice vote. just so happens to be on the other guy that has a vote. a Purely self serving vote... but thats to be expected given his earlier comments on back stabbing, and free-for-all merc games.

Anomandaris, on 09 February 2010 - 04:46 PM, said:

Meanas I have this rule for team games they pull their own bloody weight. It up to them to protect themselves.

Want to know why I play like that, it means if they go down I'm not left there standing there as the failed defender of that person.

I will also backstab team mates on purpose if I think it will give me the win and there a game that shows I do play like this.

Vote Okaros

Simply I don't know who he is and for all I could know he may be a faction leader.

Anyway, upon a re-read, to me it looks like we may have stumbled upon Spite's leader.

vote anomandaris

for being a possible leader
for being a possible recruit
for not being my leader
for admitting to being a back stabber, really why would a leader want to recruit you if this were the case?


As this puts him at 4 votes, i realize this might seem as a scummy vote , but, there are no scum its a merc game so I am more inclined to make a vote of this nature this early in the game. Besides, it's day 1 and as anno says you might as well draw a name out of a hat.

This took me a while as I am at work and keep getting interrupted so I am sure that I will have cross posted with some people.

/end ginormous post

[Ruse]

Anomandaris, on 09 February 2010 - 06:00 PM, said:

As we said no one really going to stick their necks out far in case they get lynched day 1.

you make it seem like you have so much to hide lol. it just makes me more confident in my vote.

anyway, I am off for a bit. back when I can probably looking at an hr or so.

[Anomandaris]

I never said you were asking people to reveal. My reply to you about how I rather tease you as I wasn't going to confirm or deny your suspicion that I may be Lu bi as it ruins the game. While I could have did so by saying you were an idiot, it day 1 I try to be polite on the first day.

[Anomandaris]

Cover your bases much ruse, your reasoning could be used on anyone lol.#

But in reference to my way of not playing defensive I didn't see the other votes as much of a threat.

Your vote is well thought out looking at how other people are reacting and looking for factions and links. It really the first vote I've seen that I think is worth considering.

If I'm going to be voted off I rather have your vote used than some of the other excuses I've seen in the last half year.

[Okaros]

Anomandaris, on 09 February 2010 - 06:30 PM, said:

Cover your bases much ruse, your reasoning could be used on anyone lol.#

Welcome to day one of a merc game

@ Ruse - I think you picked up on a lot of the stuff that made me cast my vote, although I didnt have the time or energy to make a giantgantic case.

[Meanas]

Ano, it's quite possible to argue without going straight to the "U DUM" line. But I'm not going to further justify my vote on you.

Ruse... that is a mighty day 1 case, sir. And that would be equally incredible if Ano were a leader. However, I am a bit worried that you're just trying to set up a second day lynch. I suppose, however, if Ano were lynched and came back with a name we expect to be a leader (one of the earlier mentioned names that someone said were likely to be powerful), that we'd have to immediately consider potential subordinates.

There's also a slight air of confidence in that case, Ruse... something to me that boils down to a "You're not my leader, VOTE" case, but in a dissertation format.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 10 hours, 33 minutes remaining.

14 players still alive: Anomandaris, Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Okaros, Omtose, Ruse, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu, Tennes, Telas, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch. 7 to go to night.

4 votes Anomandaris (Meanas, Okaros, Korvalain, Ruse)
2 votes Okaros (Tulas Shorn, Anomandaris)
1 vote Sukul Ankhadu (Omtose)

[Path-Shaper]

Something I wanna point out -> there is no army sizes below 1 (unless you're dead). Size 1 is no army at all - a lone warrior, scholar or administrator with no followers. 0 would be that you're dead. Any army-size reducing stuff only works on 2 and above, killing off your followers.

[Ruse]

Bolded portions in both posts are mine:

Ruse, on 09 February 2010 - 06:16 PM, said:

Anyway, upon a re-read, to me it looks like we may have stumbled upon Spite's leader.

vote anomandaris

for being a possible leader
for being a possible recruit
for not being my leader
for admitting to being a back stabber, really why would a leader want to recruit you if this were the case?

Meanas, on 09 February 2010 - 06:38 PM, said:

Ano, it's quite possible to argue without going straight to the "U DUM" line. But I'm not going to further justify my vote on you.

Ruse... that is a mighty day 1 case, sir. And that would be equally incredible if Ano were a leader. However, I am a bit worried that you're just trying to set up a second day lynch. I suppose, however, if Ano were lynched and came back with a name we expect to be a leader (one of the earlier mentioned names that someone said were likely to be powerful), that we'd have to immediately consider potential subordinates.

There's also a slight air of confidence in that case, Ruse... something to me that boils down to a "You're not my leader, VOTE" case, but in a dissertation format.

I think I made it pretty clear he isn't my leader That being said, if he isn't a leader he could be on my team, but based on Spite's subtle misdirection my vote is based upon him being a leader.

@ Anomander- The majority of my vote is based upon Spite's posts rather than yours and if Spite is fake symping then Bravo to him. He could also be a very middle of the road player. But it being day 1 with not much to go on, I am happy with this vote.

[Anomandaris]

Why do you think I said I liked the reasoning behind you vote, there good logic in it.

[Meanas]

Ruse, I basically said it kind of looks like you wrapped a giant, pretty bow around an underlying crux of the case: "Not my leader."

[Telas]

Ok right now i am thinking we might have got a faction leader in Ano because his responses at the moment do seem to me to be trying to skirt around the issue, and the one about subbordinates shouldnt defend their masters on day 1 just screams to me of trying to tell your followers to dump you. Combined with the possible symping by Spite that Ruse pointed out and the fact that he isnt my leader im going to

Vote anomandaris

[Anomandaris]

I think we can confirm that Telas and Ruse started off in factions.

[Anomandaris]

Any faction if Telas and Ruse aren't part of your forces you know who to attack tonight.

Edit: spelling

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 09 February 2010 - 08:40 PM