[Ruse]

Kessobahn, on 27 October 2009 - 03:55 PM, said:

I'm not sure why there's so much confusion, deliberate or otherwise, about Omtose's claim.

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Me being a Bisexual zombie i hang out at bar every night lookng for some poon.
If i get seduced and bitten by either a Wolf or vamp they become wounded as my flesh is poison to them.

The word 'seduced' is the key there, I doubt either side performs night kills by getting its freak on.


I think Omtose's reveal was real, but since he's started giving information we may not have a choice in lynching him. If he's really a bi-sexual zombie and in the town faction then he'd have mentioned that clearly, if he's his own group then he'll probably be nightkilled or lynched with little loss to any faction, and we can decide which scum team Olar's on. If he's scum then it'll be good to have him dead, it'll put Olar somewhat in the clear but fuck me over completely with the lying about the info. Unless he has this bar ability and is scum at the same time, which would be crazy.

vote Omtose

Revealing information only hurts scum. All extra information allows the innocents to determine who is lying and who to lynch. This is not a statement that someone who is playing for the town would make. The real question should be if you believe Omtose not that you think he is giving information away.

[Telas]

Mockra, it's 32 hour days, not 36.

And I made my intention to vote Omtose pretty crystal clear throughout the excessively prolonged night time. I don't see why I have to regurgitate my entire doubts and dubiousness to his claim's validity at the time of my vote. Just read the 10 or so posts I have before the day starts.

Finally, I am really starting to think Tapper fell on the company sword yesterday to try and give Omtose some breathing room. Part of me was really thinking Omtose was a werewolf because the only faction that would care about killing him as a townie (his claim) would be the wolves, but now I'm starting to think along the lines of other people that Tapper may have tried a big gamble to save Omtose.

And here you are basically giving someone a roadmap to handle Omtose. "Hey guys, don't kill him today, we're going to lynch him tomorrow, anyway." Seriously?

[Mockra]

Olar Ethil, on 27 October 2009 - 03:35 PM, said:

And here you convince me once and for all that I am right in my assessment of you. I understand I can't prove to most of you that I was in the bar, but at least I know that you're scum.

Woah! did I miss this?? Omtose is saying you werent in the bar? And you are claiming you were?? Well, thats huge. Is that what you're saying Olar? If so, then that makes my previous post invalid. If we have him in a lie he is most certainly scum, if he comes up town then you are. And I don't see why you would bring this up as the pressure was already on Omtose.

Am I reading this wrong? Do we have a claim and counter claim?

[Path-Shaper]

D'rek here.

Quoted from the game-specific rules post:

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Using the mods' names in vain:

In this game, you can revealwhatever you want. You can also lie about whatever you want. However,under no circumstances can you refer to something that a mod has saidto you, whether it is true or you are making it up. The onlyinformation from the mods you can reference is what is announced onthread. You may not imply this in any way either, such as "I'm waitingfor confirmation" or anything like that. It is your job to find out theinformation you need to know from the mods before you have to use itand the mods will not care if you misunderstood your role because youdidn't ask about an issue early on.

If for some reason a moddecides you should be allowed to reference them, they will tell youvery directly in unmistakable terms what you can say. More likely,however, they will simply announce it on-thread.

Mod-referral is punishable by mod-kill without access to SH, whether the mod-referral was truthful or made up.

Omtose (dktorode) is modkilled. Police identified the wrath-of-god-struck body as Felicity. A coronary report indicates she was a Zombie. The mayor's office reports that she was a Foreigner.





And just for reference:

Omtose, on 27 October 2009 - 02:29 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 27 October 2009 - 02:24 PM, said:

Shin here-

There will be NO REFERENCE TO INFO/PENDING INFO, REAL OR FALSE FROM PATH-SHAPER ON THREAD.

If this were D'rek, this might not have been simply a warning. And it still might not be.

I dont see what the big deal is but my apologies...
imissed those rules as admittedly i dont really read them so thoroughlyas they are always the same.... this a recent inclusion?
I havent played in a while you know

Not reading the rules is not an excuse for disobeying them.

Omtose, on 27 October 2009 - 02:13 PM, said:

hmmm well i really didnt realise i was breaking the rules... but if the mods are going to take action then they will.

Not realizing you are breaking the rules is not an excuse for breaking them.

[Telas]

And really, why on EARTH would any scum attack Omtose, if he was actually telling the truth?

Omtose has waffled and 'modified' his reveal several times. Now he's only immune to recruits, right? Well maybe he just 'changed' it to try and draw a NK because he really DOES wound people, adding in the extra "I see people at the bar" action to make it more enticing.

But he's still too tempting to lynch to get killed, nobody can test his claims without him dying, and his power doesn't really say anything about who is killing people, just who isn't on any given night.

And the only faction that would want to kill him in the first place would be the wolves, if he's telling the truth. I just don't buy it.

[Silanah]

If Omtose indeed is scum, then lynching him now is a good thing, otherwise we give him a night to possibly kill someone. But if he will get modkilled anyway, then it's definitely a waste of lynch. I am not going to make decision before we hear from the mods that be.

Edit: wow at the Xpost.

This post has been edited by Silanah: 27 October 2009 - 04:20 PM

[Telas]

And epic crosspost. So Omtose/DKT was telling the truth, D'rek has a crazy as shit game.

[D'riss]

wow, wrath of drek

[Meanas]

Mockra, on 27 October 2009 - 04:15 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 27 October 2009 - 03:35 PM, said:

And here you convince me once and for all that I am right in my assessment of you. I understand I can't prove to most of you that I was in the bar, but at least I know that you're scum.

Woah! did I miss this?? Omtose is saying you werent in the bar? And you are claiming you were?? Well, thats huge. Is that what you're saying Olar? If so, then that makes my previous post invalid. If we have him in a lie he is most certainly scum, if he comes up town then you are. And I don't see why you would bring this up as the pressure was already on Omtose.

Am I reading this wrong? Do we have a claim and counter claim?

Actually, we do. And since we can now verify that Olar was lying, I say we string him up.

vote Olar

[Telas]

Not sure what faction 'Foreigner' is, but I think we can assume it's not one of the scum factions.

[D'riss]

is foreigner town? i am confused. If dk was telling the truth, then olar is lying about night 1, while kessobahn couldnt be the killer from night 2.

[Telas]

Well Olar is claiming he was in the bar, and now I'm a bit torn. We probably have to assume Omtose was telling the truth, which means Olar is lying, but is he lying because he was scum or because he didn't want to get outed as someone with a role?

I think right now I have to go back to the same maxim I applied for Omtose and that is, "Lynch all liars," and Olar is clearly a liar.

[Silanah]

Wow dktorode should know better than quoting PS pm's.

[Mockra]

Olar Ethil, on 27 October 2009 - 04:06 PM, said:

I agree in regards to Alkend, and especially Emurlahn, Telas however I believe made it quite clear why he was voting for Omtose. Just not in the post you quoted.

I'm curious though, why do you think the killers would target Omtose?

If he's inno, and the Killers know he's inno, then he is able to give us info. He will be able to tell us who is in the bar each day, each day he tells us who was/wasn't in the bar can be confirmed. Each time he cooberates an inno's story that he was/wasn't in the bar it lends more credibility to his reveal. the more credibility he has the more we can look at the info that he gives us. If he is telling the truth and if he is left alive he provides info. Info is a killers worst enemy.

Granted, he could be left alive by the killers to sow confusion... but each time he is left alive, he can veryify his reveal. he needs to let us know who he is checking on each night, and then that person can say if he is telling the truth. If a person calls him on it, then we lynch him. his CF will take care of the rest.


Is my thinking wrong? It makes sense in my head

[D'riss]

Meanas, on 27 October 2009 - 04:19 PM, said:

Mockra, on 27 October 2009 - 04:15 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 27 October 2009 - 03:35 PM, said:

And here you convince me once and for all that I am right in my assessment of you. I understand I can't prove to most of you that I was in the bar, but at least I know that you're scum.

Woah! did I miss this?? Omtose is saying you werent in the bar? And you are claiming you were?? Well, thats huge. Is that what you're saying Olar? If so, then that makes my previous post invalid. If we have him in a lie he is most certainly scum, if he comes up town then you are. And I don't see why you would bring this up as the pressure was already on Omtose.

Am I reading this wrong? Do we have a claim and counter claim?

Actually, we do. And since we can now verify that Olar was lying, I say we string him up.

vote Olar

considering no one died night 1 this may be a little rash. Everyone seems to be ignoring the fact that the coven only need to kill 3 more folk for them to win. We need to be pretty certain olar isnt one of those three. heading home, i want to hear want olar has to say so will check in tonight.

[Telas]

Vote Olar Ethil

[Silanah]

Is Olar really saying he was i the bar though? I need a clarification.

[Ampelas]

Foreigner? What is a foreigner? An unrecruited person not aligned?

[Emurlahn]

Let me state what I was trying to say.

No matter if Omtose is scum or town, unless he is lynched then he will be around for the next couple of days. There is a shit storm of debate about Omtose, why would scum get rid of that with a NK and allow people to start reading into their own posts, sure they may vote for him, but if he survives to night why waste a kill when it can go somewhere else.

The only way what Omtose has said could be proven to be true is when he dies and we find out his cf.

With the amount of teams there are, the chance at the moment of an entire lynch being made up by innos is going to be very unlikely.

[Olar Ethil]

So.. Omtose was another faction entirely?