[D'riss]

Eloth, on 26 October 2009 - 12:09 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 October 2009 - 11:10 AM, said:

I think point 1) of yours Eloth needs to be answered from Omtose as its a very good point, and he did react badly and its tempting to vote for him because of it.

But point 2) are you saying Galain knew what faction everyone was on Day 1? Because thats that argument your presenting and reason for voting Omtose.

Voting Omtose seems pretty straight forward, as its really just would someone from Town react so badly and defend themselves like Omtose did?
Cos thats all there is to the case, I'm not sure one way or the other yet, with Bella alive i'd say maybe yes, but now Bella is dead, maybe not I keep seeing people trying to come up with these reasons for voting Omtose when they don't make much sense.

I'm not saying Galain did know all on his faction or all alignments, or even only Omtoses. All I am saying is that Bubba apparently reasoned that someone (Omtose) stood out and he made a case & voted. Scum isn't usually that proactive day 1 due to the chance of backfiring (although that is distincly WIFOM).

What I am partially willing to gamble on, is one thing: as a Cullen, Galain needed to eliminate (roughly) the same people as town needs to (assuming that Killers mean that the scum factions have a killer, maybe a pair? hard to conclude from the low amount of night deaths we have seen so far):

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Town - Eliminate the Cullens, Queleti and all Killers.

Cullens - Eliminate the Evil Vampires, the Coven and all original members of the Queleti

Queleti - Eliminate the Town, and all original members of the Cullens

Evil Vampires - Kill the Cullens, Werewolves, Coven and Bella Swan

Coven - Kill Edward Cullen, Carlisle Cullen, Jacob Black, Billy Black, Charlie Swan, Bella Swan and Renesmee Swan.

I assume that means that we have to eliminate the killers from evil vampires and coven but can leave the non-killing roles ('symps') or whatever else they have, alive, where the Cullens needed those dead, too. We need to get rid of all Cullens and Qs (I assume that means including recruits) whereas for the Cullens it was only the original wolves.

Had Galain been a Queleti or Coven, I wouldn't have used this kind of reasoning, nor if he was an evil vamp while Bella was alive, due to the chance he was gunning for a townie.

An additional (unlikely but still possible) support for Galain's choice: from wiki, I conclude that Carlisle was a doctor. If that translates to game mechanics, it could be Galain was a doctor, which is like a passive find. What if Omtose was wounded, went to see a doc, and ended up on Galain's surgery table?

Suppose we lynched Omtose, and suppose he'd come up as anything but town, that would be doubly advantageous for Galain: someone lynched who may be on his list, and since we lynch scum, we'd trust his instincts without wondering overly much where he got his info from, at least for a day or 2.

Mind you, all of the above is circumstantial. All of the above is farfetched and based on ifs and assumptions. I'm willing to take the gamble. We know one thing, and that is that Omtose overreacted to two votes. You can do a few things to having a few votes on you; defend comprehensively or laugh them off. He did neither, but reacted as if stung.

This may be some genuine info - i think the scum are likely paired and tapper suspected he had a symp somewhere.

Eloth, on 26 October 2009 - 12:36 PM, said:

Omtose, there has been zero pressure on me. Why would I then place a self-servicing distancing vote?

Also, you hint at having a power role for town. That is indeed a good reason to not want to get lynched. If you have a power role, ware you considering a reveal? I definately hope you'll do that in time to stop a lynch, especially if you are Charlie Swan (although seeing how close coven seems to victory they may even counterclaim).

I know for a fact there is a doctor and she's alive and kicking (and if she's not town, then I'll have to blame myself, but I believe she is), so becoming wounded is going to be no issue for you, in fact, it would strengthen your claim as she'd find out your species if she's the one to treat you. I for one will be trusting her judgment.

However, when push comes to shove, I say it is a lot better to reveal than get lynched if you are town. I'd rather gamble on there being a healer to survive than on not getting lynched by your current defense, as it is hardly helping you so far. But that could just be me.

My vote stays for now.

Quoting this as its the first post where he mentions the doctor. I wonder if his partner coded doctor into the thread somewhere so they could reveal later. I certainly havent noticed any code, so if its very complicated i wonder how tapper actually found it without some prior knowledge.

Emurlahn, on 26 October 2009 - 01:53 PM, said:

I did think Olar could be the other cullen but he could be another faction member trying to act as such as an attempt to throw people off him, we are going the cullens aren't a threat they lost two of their guys. If that the case the true Cullen wouldn't be so obvious hoping that later in the game he might improve his side situation.

If Olar isn't cullen, then what is he?

Town, Werewolves, and evil vampires benefit from destruction of cullens, so I don't think he is one of them.

Coven have killed all the cullens they need to kill, so if Olar is coven he may try to appear as the last cullen in a play to delay the other teams make them waste kills.

Remove Vote
Vote Olar Ethil

at this point, eloth had just got three votes in quick succession. This could be an attempt at steering the pressure away from eloth. Emur for me is a possibility for evil vamp symp.

[D'riss]

dont have time to make it through the rest of the thread, so if someone else wants to have a go.

[Olar Ethil]

Beforehand.. my last post I posted last night following Meanas' inch comment. I had some problems with the net, and when I restarted it this morning it seems the post carried over when I updated.

D, on 27 October 2009 - 09:16 AM, said:

I have to say i am quite amazed at the three votes, the first thing that came to mind was the winning conditions, and if not for those i would be voting for olar right now. I dont know if this is a play to appear as one faction while you are another, but with even the possibility that omtose is telling the truth to some extent only one faction would be desperate for a lynch on him. So either you are in that faction or deliberately trying to appear as such. Either way i think the play is a bad one. I still think we should be hunting coven, and unless someone can convince me that omtose is coven, i aint gonna vote him.

So, as I understand it, unless a player jumps up and say I AM COVEN, or a finder points at a person saying that is a coven member, you wont lynch anyone?

Omtose, on 27 October 2009 - 09:49 AM, said:

Well...has there been any zombie counter reveals?

I mean...im pretty sure im the only zombie... so where is the real zombie if its not me?

This is a pretty weak argument. There may not be any zombies in the game, or the zombies here might better benefit from not revealing. Not having a counter reveal in a game such as this doesn't mean a thing.

Omtose, on 27 October 2009 - 09:53 AM, said:

Thats two days on a row that people are just throwing there votes on me without much discussion.

These guys voting for me must not care if im Town or scum...

Again with this line. Aren't you getting tired of sprouting such nonsense? The reasons for voting for you have multiplied since day 1, and you claiming that we're just throwing votes on you for no reason is absurd.

Omtose, on 27 October 2009 - 01:25 PM, said:

Alkend, on 27 October 2009 - 01:18 PM, said:

It would be useful to have night 2s, as that's the only night where we know for definite a killer acted.

Alright then

Olar was NOT in the bar night one

Kessobhan was in the bar on night two.
so he could not have killed anyone.

And last night i mistakenly gave in kessoh's name again as i got mixed up between him and korvalain.
Im waiting to see if PS will give me the info as i obviously just got confused in my rush to post him before i had to give my bosses router back to him.
I doubt they will give it to me...im waiting fir them to come back.

Alkend, on 27 October 2009 - 01:18 PM, said:

The thing is, how were we meant to know that biting only recruits and doesn't kill? It's not like we know how the killers are doing the killing...

Obviously killing and recruiting is a different action.
Only way a wolf and vamp traditionally recruit is by biting and infecting the person they have bitten.

I was not told anything about killing...perhaps they simply rip us to peaces....meh

And here you convince me once and for all that I am right in my assessment of you. I understand I can't prove to most of you that I was in the bar, but at least I know that you're scum.

Alkend, on 27 October 2009 - 02:05 PM, said:

By the way, does anyone get the tail question that Olar asked Meanas? If you do, can you explain it to me?

It's an old joke from game... 6.66 I think. Morgoth and gardengnome were the only two players online for the entire night and ended up doing some very graphic pages of dragon sex, starting with a reference to Morgoth's long tail.

[Omtose]

Korvalain, on 27 October 2009 - 03:30 PM, said:

Vote Omtose

STFU Noob!

Name calling and general douchebaggery aside you fucked up 2 times, it doesn't help a thing to be an e-douche. In meetings, and about to go to lunch, but I will be back on to discuss more later.

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Everything was fine on thread untill telas came on with his condescending 'holier than thou' attitude.

You going to give a proper reason for your vote or are you going to stick to this emotional and pointless one?

[Omtose]

Im going home now...

Good day

[Ampelas]

Ugh this is starting to get ugly. I had to go read wiki on Twilight. Was looking for mention of Zombies at all, but now I feel horribly scarred and couldn't find anything about them.

I did note there is quite a few Cullens mentioned though I thought they would no longer be a threat (Alice, Esme, Emmett + Jasper Hale and a Rosalie Hale who are also Cullens). Must not discount them yet.

I'm not sure what to say about Omtose, I just get the horrible feeling he's actually telling the truth about his role and he's just screwed it up with his strange and complicated way he had gone about his reveal. Its gotten a little twisted and I just can't see a scum doing what he is doing.

We still got plenty of time up our sleeves at this point so I'm going to hold off voting for now and do some rereading of people, but if nothing else comes up I think at the end of the day I'm going to have to vote Omtose so we can move on. His name will be coming up every day as the person to lynch and it wil mean we aren't looking elsewhere.

[Telas]

Omtose, on 27 October 2009 - 03:25 PM, said:

why would i purposely break the rules?
Now when people start accusing me of purposely cheating i have a right to get angry...but then when they fucking bitch and moan DURING the game it warrants and little name calling in my book.

Well, I don't know what to say. If you're scum, you tried something sneaky but got found out. If you're somehow actually really a town zombie, sorry you didn't read the rules?

I think you're lying and the maxim is quite clear... lynch all liars.

[Omtose]

Olar Ethil, on 27 October 2009 - 03:35 PM, said:

And here you convince me once and for all that I am right in my assessment of you. I understand I can't prove to most of you that I was in the bar, but at least I know that you're scum.

lol... wouldnt expect anything less from you...

[Olar Ethil]

Omtose, on 27 October 2009 - 03:42 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 27 October 2009 - 03:35 PM, said:

And here you convince me once and for all that I am right in my assessment of you. I understand I can't prove to most of you that I was in the bar, but at least I know that you're scum.

lol... wouldnt expect anything less from you...

That I uphold having been in the bar when I was in fact in the bar? I should be ashamed of myself

[Omtose]

watever you say dude

[Kessobahn]

I'm not sure why there's so much confusion, deliberate or otherwise, about Omtose's claim.

Quote

Me being a Bisexual zombie i hang out at bar every night lookng for some poon.
If i get seduced and bitten by either a Wolf or vamp they become wounded as my flesh is poison to them.

The word 'seduced' is the key there, I doubt either side performs night kills by getting its freak on.


I think Omtose's reveal was real, but since he's started giving information we may not have a choice in lynching him. If he's really a bi-sexual zombie and in the town faction then he'd have mentioned that clearly, if he's his own group then he'll probably be nightkilled or lynched with little loss to any faction, and we can decide which scum team Olar's on. If he's scum then it'll be good to have him dead, it'll put Olar somewhat in the clear but fuck me over completely with the lying about the info. Unless he has this bar ability and is scum at the same time, which would be crazy.

vote Omtose

[Ampelas]

Does it really matter is Olar was at the bar or not? Anyone doing a night action won't be there, that would mean Finders, Guards, Healers etc as well as Killers. I don't think being at the bar or not during night is a sign of scum or not. As is being bandied about a bit at the moment.

Although defending yourself by saying yeah I was at the bar when you actually weren't strikes me as scum trying to appear innocent.

[D'riss]

Olar Ethil, on 27 October 2009 - 03:35 PM, said:

D, on 27 October 2009 - 09:16 AM, said:

I have to say i am quite amazed at the three votes, the first thing that came to mind was the winning conditions, and if not for those i would be voting for olar right now. I dont know if this is a play to appear as one faction while you are another, but with even the possibility that omtose is telling the truth to some extent only one faction would be desperate for a lynch on him. So either you are in that faction or deliberately trying to appear as such. Either way i think the play is a bad one. I still think we should be hunting coven, and unless someone can convince me that omtose is coven, i aint gonna vote him.

So, as I understand it, unless a player jumps up and say I AM COVEN, or a finder points at a person saying that is a coven member, you wont lynch anyone?

hardly, but if i think omtose is embellishing his reveal but he is town then i am hardly going to vote him. Likewise i believed before your earlier voting that you were a cullen but the way you came on and went straight after omtose makes it a possibility that your either a wolf or trying to appear as one (given the winning conditions). Fact is a speed lynch is going to benefit scum only. Too many of us (myself included) havent really got involved enough, and voting as soon as day starts allows scum to coast through the game. Putting pressure on people is all good and well, but we caught a scum vampire yesterday and no one else seems inclined to look at his posts or try to figure out the motivation behind his reveal. you came straight on and went for omtose, who has a very dodgy reveal i grant you, but who has been defending themselves since day 1. Either you are worried his reveal is true or your not wanting to actually look too hard elsewhere.

[Silanah]

This Omtose business is very confusing. If there was some way to test the info, I'd gladly root for it, but I can't think of anything. I think we should at least hold off lynching until we hear from D'rek what the ramifications will be for him breaking the rules.

[Mockra]

Wow people- talk about gun jumping. 36 hour days and we have him at L4 12 hours in... I am also skeptical of Omtose's reveal, but lets look at this logically. He is a deadman. Why are we wasting our lynch, one of our most powerful tools we have in a hugely scum filled game. If Omtose is telling the truth he is a deadman tonight. He has to be. There is no way scum will let a CI that can verify bar contents walk around. I suppose they could to create confusion... but he is also able to give more info to town as the night/s go on. Thats a good thing for us as we basically start off with dick for information.

If Omtose is alive tomorrow... I think we should definately lynch him... but why not make the Killers waste a kill on him tonight? Why not get more information from our lynch today? If we lynch him today, and he is telling the truth we gain nothing. the killers/recruiters get a free night and we start back over tomorrow with our day 1 drama all gone and nothing to go on.

I think we should look at the votes that raced to L4 on Omtose before the 12 hour mark today. I can almost gaurantee (sp?) that there is scum on that train. Here it is.

Olar Ethil, on 27 October 2009 - 02:44 AM, said:

All right.. To Omtose's reveal.

It's convenient isn't it that Omtose's reveal is completely unprovable? He's claiming that he's designed to ruin scum attacks on him. So his reveal wont draw scum actions. Furthermore, as his role is completely passive he can't do anything to prove it himself. And then he claims that his playing so far has been a calculated play to draw night actions? That is absurd, he's overreaction day 1 made him a prime lynch candidate. No way would he be targeted by a scum night action after that. And why would he flip like he did if he had a role like he claims?

In essence, Omtose's reveal is so perfect for his situation it could be tailored. In fact, I am quite confident it is just that.

In my experience, a role reveal that is perfectly tailored to the situation at hand is pretty much always a fake reveal.

Vote Omtose

I think this is the most well thought out vote on the train, and honestly I have similar feelings... just don't agree that an Omtose vote is the best thing. Its also the first vote and in my experience, though it has happened, remembers the dibs/liosan killer game.

Meanas, on 27 October 2009 - 03:03 AM, said:

I think I made it clear over the night what I thought of Omtose's reveal, and since I have no reason not to I guess I shall also

vote Omtose

Can't guarantee he's an evil vamp, though I'm heavily leaning towards that conclusion, but his reveal still stinks.

This vote stinks. You can't guarantee he's an evil vamp?? Why are you starting a train so early in the day then? To give the killers and recruiters more time? We are given 36 hours.. its one of the most powerful tools we have along with a lynch. The more we talk, the more we can find scum in their lies. Also the "I guess i'll vote for Omtose" just stinks to high heaven. I play a lot of Poker and a classic tried and true rule is "weak when strong, strong when weak" That my friend is a very weak vote and it makes me wonder how strong you really are.

Telas, on 27 October 2009 - 04:29 AM, said:

Consider me similarly dubious as to the reveal's legitimacy, as I went on earlier.

Vote Omtose

Adds nothing, takes the easy road, there is so little thought put into this vote that I can't find much to comment on. Seems like a lazy vote. Without going back and looking at more of Telas' posts I can't really put this vote into context. Anyone else have a read on him?

Alkend, on 27 October 2009 - 12:01 PM, said:

I have grave doubts about your reveal Omtose, and you seem to be backtracking on the whole recruiting/killing idea, since people have pointed out how your original claim may have made you unkillable. Now you are claiming you did hold back on more information on your powers. It just seems so convenient all the issues we have raised are now being covered by your new claims.

Because of this, I feel you may have fake revealed, and are actually scum.

So Vote Omtose

This vote in itself is seems rational, but I think in my reread there were some posts that Omtose pointed out that really make it look like Alk isn't playing for the Town. I'm mid post so I can't really go back to look now. It's what I will do after I post this Novel.

Emurlahn, on 27 October 2009 - 01:45 PM, said:

Gods, I do suspect some of the votes on you Omtose, but your cf will either corroborate what you said or reveal that you been bullshitting us. If your town the amount that you have revealed has compromised you, scum won't go after you you now knowing that you could be a threat. But people will be a bit suspect as it could be one of the better fake reveals that I've seen in a while.

Vote Omtose

This vote confuses me. He suspects some of the votes.. but votes Omtose anyway? with 24 hours left you put him at L4? What has he revealed that compromises him? Imo scum HAS to go after him. He is like a walking Finder -1. (not quite as good as one but still gives good info) Why do the scum work for them? This vote doesn't sit right with me.


I am not 100% on the Omtose reveal, but I am tending to agree with it. If he is alive tomorrow, I think we need to consider lynching him BUT if we do that not only do we get the validity of his CF, we also get another night of finding out who was/wasn't in the bar and if he comes up inno we have a whole slew of trains on him to look at in a different light. I am not going to vote Omtose today. Of the 5 on his train Meanas, Emur and Telas stand out most to me. I think one of those 3 is probable bad vamp or wolf.

[Mockra]

Holy hell, major cross post. Omtose I hope you come up Town or I am gonna look like a major symp

[Olar Ethil]

Or I am certain enough of Omtose being scum to want to make sure we get him lynched. You're welcome to look at Eloth's posts, as I definitly will, but I see no reason not to lynch a player I am certain is scum at this time. Shit, considering that pretty much every player have participated in the argument surrounding Omtose since it started on day 1, I'd go as far as to say that his CF is necessary for the progress of this game.

Also, I still find it humorous that I'm tagged as a Cullen seeing that the reasons I refused to go along with Omtose arguments was because they made no sense.

edit: @D'riss above

This post has been edited by Olar Ethil: 27 October 2009 - 04:09 PM

[Olar Ethil]

I agree in regards to Alkend, and especially Emurlahn, Telas however I believe made it quite clear why he was voting for Omtose. Just not in the post you quoted.

I'm curious though, why do you think the killers would target Omtose?

[Ruse]

After looking over the thread and reading all of your bullshit. I have came to 2 conclusions.

Omtose is either full of shit or fuck shit up . Dude you have changed your reveal way to many times. Plus you have put the people who believe you into a position of having to lynch you. Your usefulness to the town is over now that you have fully exposed your self. If the town doesn't lynch you then we will have the same questions time and time again. Is the reason that you aren't dying at night a result of your reveal or because your really scum. If you are what you say you are then you should have revealed as anything else in order to get the scum to come to you at night. Now that is wasted if you are what you say you are, and we have to lynch you.

PS. What is the vote count at?

[Meanas]

Omtose, on 27 October 2009 - 02:29 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 27 October 2009 - 02:24 PM, said:

Shin here-

There will be NO REFERENCE TO INFO/PENDING INFO, REAL OR FALSE FROM PATH-SHAPER ON THREAD.

If this were D'rek, this might not have been simply a warning. And it still might not be.

I dont see what the big deal is but my apologies...
i missed those rules as admittedly i dont really read them so thoroughly as they are always the same.... this a recent inclusion?
I havent played in a while you know

Those rules have been in the OP since day 1. Learn to read. Honestly, some people...

Olar Ethil, on 27 October 2009 - 03:35 PM, said:

Beforehand.. my last post I posted last night following Meanas' inch comment. I had some problems with the net, and when I restarted it this morning it seems the post carried over when I updated.

D, on 27 October 2009 - 09:16 AM, said:

I have to say i am quite amazed at the three votes, the first thing that came to mind was the winning conditions, and if not for those i would be voting for olar right now. I dont know if this is a play to appear as one faction while you are another, but with even the possibility that omtose is telling the truth to some extent only one faction would be desperate for a lynch on him. So either you are in that faction or deliberately trying to appear as such. Either way i think the play is a bad one. I still think we should be hunting coven, and unless someone can convince me that omtose is coven, i aint gonna vote him.

So, as I understand it, unless a player jumps up and say I AM COVEN, or a finder points at a person saying that is a coven member, you wont lynch anyone?

Omtose, on 27 October 2009 - 09:49 AM, said:

Well...has there been any zombie counter reveals?

I mean...im pretty sure im the only zombie... so where is the real zombie if its not me?

This is a pretty weak argument. There may not be any zombies in the game, or the zombies here might better benefit from not revealing. Not having a counter reveal in a game such as this doesn't mean a thing.

Omtose, on 27 October 2009 - 09:53 AM, said:

Thats two days on a row that people are just throwing there votes on me without much discussion.

These guys voting for me must not care if im Town or scum...

Again with this line. Aren't you getting tired of sprouting such nonsense? The reasons for voting for you have multiplied since day 1, and you claiming that we're just throwing votes on you for no reason is absurd.

Omtose, on 27 October 2009 - 01:25 PM, said:

Alkend, on 27 October 2009 - 01:18 PM, said:

It would be useful to have night 2s, as that's the only night where we know for definite a killer acted.

Alright then

Olar was NOT in the bar night one

Kessobhan was in the bar on night two.
so he could not have killed anyone.

And last night i mistakenly gave in kessoh's name again as i got mixed up between him and korvalain.
Im waiting to see if PS will give me the info as i obviously just got confused in my rush to post him before i had to give my bosses router back to him.
I doubt they will give it to me...im waiting fir them to come back.

Alkend, on 27 October 2009 - 01:18 PM, said:

The thing is, how were we meant to know that biting only recruits and doesn't kill? It's not like we know how the killers are doing the killing...

Obviously killing and recruiting is a different action.
Only way a wolf and vamp traditionally recruit is by biting and infecting the person they have bitten.

I was not told anything about killing...perhaps they simply rip us to peaces....meh

And here you convince me once and for all that I am right in my assessment of you. I understand I can't prove to most of you that I was in the bar, but at least I know that you're scum.

Alkend, on 27 October 2009 - 02:05 PM, said:

By the way, does anyone get the tail question that Olar asked Meanas? If you do, can you explain it to me?

It's an old joke from game... 6.66 I think. Morgoth and gardengnome were the only two players online for the entire night and ended up doing some very graphic pages of dragon sex, starting with a reference to Morgoth's long tail.

oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh. Lol, damn you Olar. NO DRAGON SEX FOR YOU!

Kessobahn, on 27 October 2009 - 03:55 PM, said:

I'm not sure why there's so much confusion, deliberate or otherwise, about Omtose's claim.

Quote

Me being a Bisexual zombie i hang out at bar every night lookng for some poon.
If i get seduced and bitten by either a Wolf or vamp they become wounded as my flesh is poison to them.

The word 'seduced' is the key there, I doubt either side performs night kills by getting its freak on.


I think Omtose's reveal was real, but since he's started giving information we may not have a choice in lynching him. If he's really a bi-sexual zombie and in the town faction then he'd have mentioned that clearly, if he's his own group then he'll probably be nightkilled or lynched with little loss to any faction, and we can decide which scum team Olar's on. If he's scum then it'll be good to have him dead, it'll put Olar somewhat in the clear but fuck me over completely with the lying about the info. Unless he has this bar ability and is scum at the same time, which would be crazy.

vote Omtose

Actually, in much vampire fiction (such as Dracula) it isn't uncommon for the more classy vamps to seduce sexy ladiezzzz before the draining.

Now, as far as the game is concerned: The people on Omtose's train at the moment can't all be scum. If they are, then there's no way for town to win anymore. And since no town have died I suspect we're still quite strong. So lots of town on the train. The ones I'd suspect as obvious scum are Olar and Alkend. Olar for being so gung ho and voting almost as soon as dawn broke (pardon the pun), and Alkend for pushing so damn hard for Omtose to give info that is ultimately only useful for scum. Now, that pushing has led to Omtose slipping more and more and frankly there's no more doubt in my mind that he's likely a threat, but I am going to keep those other two in my bad books. For now, at least.