[Omtose]

Eloth, on 26 October 2009 - 10:18 AM, said:

Omtose, you did then as you did now. Regardless of Galains alignment, he as a Cullen felt he needed to push a lynch on you - for whatever purpose. As seen per the winning conditions, Cullens need to eliminate original Queleti, evil vamps and the coven. So, why would he come out like he did and push on someone he saw as town?

He could not have gleaned anything from my SINGLE post...so this question is rather daft.
He clearly was just looking to lynch pretty much anybody for any reason at the time...as long as it was not his team.
Who ever said he thought i was town anyways?
He obviously thought i was looking to stay below the radar and based his vote on that. Not caring if i was a roled inno or if i was any one of the cullens targets obviously as anything will do.

So in short, to why would a cullen push on someone he thought town?...
well if he felt that i was hiding then he felt i was roled. And roled town is just as dangerous to him as anybody else.

Eloth, on 26 October 2009 - 10:18 AM, said:

You then responded panicky, giving a lot of players, including me, the distinct impression you had something to hide.
The fact that both Galain and Barghast were scum, does nothing for your innocence, seeing how we have 4 factions that are classified as anti-town, and to begin with, Galains faction needed 3 of them dead.

I dont know why you guys see me as responding panicky!
Everybody seems to think this... I suppose a person does come accross as panicky when he points fingers back at people who are pointing fingers at him.
But i felt i had found sopmething and whent with it.
I coud have just ignored his one measly vote and not said anything...except i didnt and made my feelings on his and Bargys votes very clear and loud so it wont get ignored. Which happens so very often in mafia.
Yes its seen as panicky OMGUS reaction...but i felt it is worth it and would do it again.

Eloth, on 26 October 2009 - 10:18 AM, said:

All we know is this: you are not a Cullen. Unless you are town, you are of a different scum faction, and if not:

1) why react as nervous as you did, twice now?

I dont feel i acted nervous but if you consider pointing out scummy behavior and then sticking up for yourself as being nervous then Im guilty as charged.
I dont et this "something to hide" bullshit...almost everyone has something to hide Town and scum alike.

Eloth, on 26 October 2009 - 10:18 AM, said:

2) why would a Cullen press a lynch on you?

A cullen pressed a lynch on me based on my very first post...dont you get it?
He could not have known anything about me...he was just opportunistic and placed a vote because he was safe in his own little world as he knew who was on his team and any old lynch as long as its not on his team would have been a perfect day one start ....hurr durr


I think your vote on myself was purely self preservation.
You clearly dont give a fuck if i am town or not, and you obviously are scared of being grouped with me.
Wich I find very interesting...
You are thinking if i CF as Coven wich is what people have been saying (without any proof i might add ) then you are going to be lynched next...So i am thinking that you are probably not coven but i think you are not town either...since you would/should not have voted for me simply to save yourself in the off chance that i do CF something evil if you are town.
Because i could simply have had a power role as an inno. But you dont care for that no do you?

Ofcourse you could be town and you could just all of the sudden see me as coven without any real proof other than what people are guessing.
But i think your self serving vote on me makes it much more likely that you are a scared Queleti or Vamp who does not want to get lynched in the event i turn up as a coven. And you are seeking to quickly dispel the link that some people seem to think we have.

Since i would rather kill a coven today i wont vote for you because i think you are most likely not in coven. But definitely scum in some capacity.

*waits for olar to call my case bullshit again*


edit - removed "That would most likley make you" from the bottom of post as its repeated

This post has been edited by Omtose: 26 October 2009 - 11:30 AM

[Omtose]

In retrospect i think Eloth could indeed be coven and is perhaps trying to distance himself from me regardless...perhaps coven dont know their whole team and he is willing to sacrifice me thinking i might be coven too.
Potential distancing...but i think coven do know each other as they are listed as scum/killers and not a merc like team,

I think its less likely...but something to take note of...

[Omtose]

Am i alone again?

no one to play with

[Korvalain]

Ampelas, on 26 October 2009 - 07:54 AM, said:

I mean Korvalain has said he's Werewolf/Coven (although strange doesnt' mention Vampire? Why is that Korvalain, you know who the vampires are?) and that he's not Town. But to me, just overreacting in your defence doesn't really rule it out. Although now with Bella gone it does make me wonder but still, I can't see any reason why someone who is Town wouldn't want to be lynched as well.

Sorry about that -it should have read he's Werewolf/coven/Quetintarintino (sp?) definitely not Cullen or town.

Now - Im reading Omtoses defense and its quite a reasonable one. With one exception Omtose - you reacted like this with ONE vote on you earlier in the game, now you have a large amount of pressure on you and your massive defense posts are justified. I dont think you are town based primarily on the minor sympage (and its very minor) of a couple of other players (Kaschan and Ampelas). Having said that, I think my vote is reasonable. And thats where it'll stay.

[Omtose]

Korvalain, on 26 October 2009 - 11:44 AM, said:

Now - Im reading Omtoses defense and its quite a reasonable one. With one exception Omtose - you reacted like this with ONE vote on you earlier in the game, now you have a large amount of pressure on you and your massive defense posts are justified. I dont think you are town based primarily on the minor sympage (and its very minor) of a couple of other players (Kaschan and Ampelas). Having said that, I think my vote is reasonable. And thats where it'll stay.

It was not a defense as such...there really was nothing to defend, he said i was laying low....bah...I could have just ignored it.
Instead i was attacking him for his vote which i felt to be rash vote by potential scum, in my book it was a slight scum slip epecially in a game like this. Followed by barghast vote that was blatant sympage which just lent credence to what i felt.
I make long and posts so you all can understand what i was getting at because it was very freudian in nature, something which olar clearly doesn't grasp.
I make big posts to get my point through.
I repeat myself because i was pretty sure i was right even though it was weak....it was something i believed and i pounded my point across. thats the way i roll

[Omtose]

Korvalain, on 26 October 2009 - 11:44 AM, said:

you reacted like this with ONE vote on you earlier in the game,

just to correct you it wasnt ONE vote...it was TWO...

[Eloth]

Ampelas, on 26 October 2009 - 11:10 AM, said:

I think point 1) of yours Eloth needs to be answered from Omtose as its a very good point, and he did react badly and its tempting to vote for him because of it.

But point 2) are you saying Galain knew what faction everyone was on Day 1? Because thats that argument your presenting and reason for voting Omtose.

Voting Omtose seems pretty straight forward, as its really just would someone from Town react so badly and defend themselves like Omtose did?
Cos thats all there is to the case, I'm not sure one way or the other yet, with Bella alive i'd say maybe yes, but now Bella is dead, maybe not I keep seeing people trying to come up with these reasons for voting Omtose when they don't make much sense.

I'm not saying Galain did know all on his faction or all alignments, or even only Omtoses. All I am saying is that Bubba apparently reasoned that someone (Omtose) stood out and he made a case & voted. Scum isn't usually that proactive day 1 due to the chance of backfiring (although that is distincly WIFOM).

What I am partially willing to gamble on, is one thing: as a Cullen, Galain needed to eliminate (roughly) the same people as town needs to (assuming that Killers mean that the scum factions have a killer, maybe a pair? hard to conclude from the low amount of night deaths we have seen so far):

Quote

Town - Eliminate the Cullens, Queleti and all Killers.

Cullens - Eliminate the Evil Vampires, the Coven and all original members of the Queleti

Queleti - Eliminate the Town, and all original members of the Cullens

Evil Vampires - Kill the Cullens, Werewolves, Coven and Bella Swan

Coven - Kill Edward Cullen, Carlisle Cullen, Jacob Black, Billy Black, Charlie Swan, Bella Swan and Renesmee Swan.

I assume that means that we have to eliminate the killers from evil vampires and coven but can leave the non-killing roles ('symps') or whatever else they have, alive, where the Cullens needed those dead, too. We need to get rid of all Cullens and Qs (I assume that means including recruits) whereas for the Cullens it was only the original wolves.

Had Galain been a Queleti or Coven, I wouldn't have used this kind of reasoning, nor if he was an evil vamp while Bella was alive, due to the chance he was gunning for a townie.

An additional (unlikely but still possible) support for Galain's choice: from wiki, I conclude that Carlisle was a doctor. If that translates to game mechanics, it could be Galain was a doctor, which is like a passive find. What if Omtose was wounded, went to see a doc, and ended up on Galain's surgery table?

Suppose we lynched Omtose, and suppose he'd come up as anything but town, that would be doubly advantageous for Galain: someone lynched who may be on his list, and since we lynch scum, we'd trust his instincts without wondering overly much where he got his info from, at least for a day or 2.

Mind you, all of the above is circumstantial. All of the above is farfetched and based on ifs and assumptions. I'm willing to take the gamble. We know one thing, and that is that Omtose overreacted to two votes. You can do a few things to having a few votes on you; defend comprehensively or laugh them off. He did neither, but reacted as if stung.

[D'riss]

Eloth, on 26 October 2009 - 12:09 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 October 2009 - 11:10 AM, said:

I think point 1) of yours Eloth needs to be answered from Omtose as its a very good point, and he did react badly and its tempting to vote for him because of it.

But point 2) are you saying Galain knew what faction everyone was on Day 1? Because thats that argument your presenting and reason for voting Omtose.

Voting Omtose seems pretty straight forward, as its really just would someone from Town react so badly and defend themselves like Omtose did?
Cos thats all there is to the case, I'm not sure one way or the other yet, with Bella alive i'd say maybe yes, but now Bella is dead, maybe not I keep seeing people trying to come up with these reasons for voting Omtose when they don't make much sense.

I'm not saying Galain did know all on his faction or all alignments, or even only Omtoses. All I am saying is that Bubba apparently reasoned that someone (Omtose) stood out and he made a case & voted. Scum isn't usually that proactive day 1 due to the chance of backfiring (although that is distincly WIFOM).

What I am partially willing to gamble on, is one thing: as a Cullen, Galain needed to eliminate (roughly) the same people as town needs to (assuming that Killers mean that the scum factions have a killer, maybe a pair? hard to conclude from the low amount of night deaths we have seen so far):

Quote

Town - Eliminate the Cullens, Queleti and all Killers.

Cullens - Eliminate the Evil Vampires, the Coven and all original members of the Queleti

Queleti - Eliminate the Town, and all original members of the Cullens

Evil Vampires - Kill the Cullens, Werewolves, Coven and Bella Swan

Coven - Kill Edward Cullen, Carlisle Cullen, Jacob Black, Billy Black, Charlie Swan, Bella Swan and Renesmee Swan.

I assume that means that we have to eliminate the killers from evil vampires and coven but can leave the non-killing roles ('symps') or whatever else they have, alive, where the Cullens needed those dead, too. We need to get rid of all Cullens and Qs (I assume that means including recruits) whereas for the Cullens it was only the original wolves.

Had Galain been a Queleti or Coven, I wouldn't have used this kind of reasoning, nor if he was an evil vamp while Bella was alive, due to the chance he was gunning for a townie.

An additional (unlikely but still possible) support for Galain's choice: from wiki, I conclude that Carlisle was a doctor. If that translates to game mechanics, it could be Galain was a doctor, which is like a passive find. What if Omtose was wounded, went to see a doc, and ended up on Galain's surgery table?

Suppose we lynched Omtose, and suppose he'd come up as anything but town, that would be doubly advantageous for Galain: someone lynched who may be on his list, and since we lynch scum, we'd trust his instincts without wondering overly much where he got his info from, at least for a day or 2.

Mind you, all of the above is circumstantial. All of the above is farfetched and based on ifs and assumptions. I'm willing to take the gamble. We know one thing, and that is that Omtose overreacted to two votes. You can do a few things to having a few votes on you; defend comprehensively or laugh them off. He did neither, but reacted as if stung.

did all that not happen on day 1? I doubt you could be wounded before the game began so your reasoning out to find a valid motive for your vote seems overly contrived and pointless. Of that entire statement the only thing that makes any sense is the over reaction to a few votes.

@omtose - i am unsure which faction you are, but it tends not to be a town player when they over react and for that reason alone i am voting you.

[Omtose]

Eloth, on 26 October 2009 - 12:09 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 October 2009 - 11:10 AM, said:

I think point 1) of yours Eloth needs to be answered from Omtose as its a very good point, and he did react badly and its tempting to vote for him because of it.

But point 2) are you saying Galain knew what faction everyone was on Day 1? Because thats that argument your presenting and reason for voting Omtose.

Voting Omtose seems pretty straight forward, as its really just would someone from Town react so badly and defend themselves like Omtose did?
Cos thats all there is to the case, I'm not sure one way or the other yet, with Bella alive i'd say maybe yes, but now Bella is dead, maybe not I keep seeing people trying to come up with these reasons for voting Omtose when they don't make much sense.

I'm not saying Galain did know all on his faction or all alignments, or even only Omtoses. All I am saying is that Bubba apparently reasoned that someone (Omtose) stood out and he made a case & voted. Scum isn't usually that proactive day 1 due to the chance of backfiring (although that is distincly WIFOM).

What I am partially willing to gamble on, is one thing: as a Cullen, Galain needed to eliminate (roughly) the same people as town needs to (assuming that Killers mean that the scum factions have a killer, maybe a pair? hard to conclude from the low amount of night deaths we have seen so far):

Quote

Town - Eliminate the Cullens, Queleti and all Killers.

Cullens - Eliminate the Evil Vampires, the Coven and all original members of the Queleti

Queleti - Eliminate the Town, and all original members of the Cullens

Evil Vampires - Kill the Cullens, Werewolves, Coven and Bella Swan

Coven - Kill Edward Cullen, Carlisle Cullen, Jacob Black, Billy Black, Charlie Swan, Bella Swan and Renesmee Swan.

I assume that means that we have to eliminate the killers from evil vampires and coven but can leave the non-killing roles ('symps') or whatever else they have, alive, where the Cullens needed those dead, too. We need to get rid of all Cullens and Qs (I assume that means including recruits) whereas for the Cullens it was only the original wolves.

Had Galain been a Queleti or Coven, I wouldn't have used this kind of reasoning, nor if he was an evil vamp while Bella was alive, due to the chance he was gunning for a townie.

An additional (unlikely but still possible) support for Galain's choice: from wiki, I conclude that Carlisle was a doctor. If that translates to game mechanics, it could be Galain was a doctor, which is like a passive find. What if Omtose was wounded, went to see a doc, and ended up on Galain's surgery table?

Suppose we lynched Omtose, and suppose he'd come up as anything but town, that would be doubly advantageous for Galain: someone lynched who may be on his list, and since we lynch scum, we'd trust his instincts without wondering overly much where he got his info from, at least for a day or 2.

So in other words you are voting me because galain thought i was scum.
You are basing your vote on what galain gleaned from my very first post?

Eloth, on 26 October 2009 - 12:09 PM, said:

Mind you, all of the above is circumstantial. All of the above is farfetched and based on ifs and assumptions. I'm willing to take the gamble. We know one thing, and that is that Omtose overreacted to two votes. You can do a few things to having a few votes on you; defend comprehensively or laugh them off. He did neither, but reacted as if stung.

Yes you are right i could have laughed it off....i could have "defended" comprehensively....but i did neither... i reacted as if i had found scum.
If i was "hiding something" as pople tend to believe i would have laughed it off....except i realised that he could be scum himself and decided to be proactive and reaveal my suspicions with as much gusto as i could.

Now people seek to take my attacking galain as some sort of desperate defence when in fact it was simply me attacking a player i felt was scum.
If galain had voted anyone else...i more than likely would have called him out for it and acted exactly the same way... only difference is now everyone thinks i said what i did because it was i defence since he voted for me.
Thats why i didnt want to vote for him...because i knew he would try and right everything off as OMGUS....wich is exactly what all of you are perceiving as a nervous "defense" for some reason.


edit - quote tags again

This post has been edited by Omtose: 26 October 2009 - 12:22 PM

[Omtose]

D, on 26 October 2009 - 12:16 PM, said:

did all that not happen on day 1? I doubt you could be wounded before the game began so your reasoning out to find a valid motive for your vote seems overly contrived and pointless. Of that entire statement the only thing that makes any sense is the over reaction to a few votes.

@omtose - i am unsure which faction you are, but it tends not to be a town player when they over react and for that reason alone i am voting you.

sigh....i say again...i never over reacted.
I did react strongly to what i felt was a desent shot at getting scum lynched.


If i never made that much noise do you think barghy and Galain would still be here?....i think so.

[Omtose]

You guys are basing your votes on a day one over reaction... but has my play deviated?....no ive been playing the same.
so am i then over reacting now too...?

Im still trying to figure out why you guys think that over reaction = scum ?

One would think that scum would be more calculated in his posts...more careful about what he says.
Why is no one looking at Olar....hes flipped his lid over being called a symp by one or two players.
Is he gonna get lynched for this next?

[Eloth]

Omtose, there has been zero pressure on me. Why would I then place a self-servicing distancing vote?

Also, you hint at having a power role for town. That is indeed a good reason to not want to get lynched. If you have a power role, ware you considering a reveal? I definately hope you'll do that in time to stop a lynch, especially if you are Charlie Swan (although seeing how close coven seems to victory they may even counterclaim).

I know for a fact there is a doctor and she's alive and kicking (and if she's not town, then I'll have to blame myself, but I believe she is), so becoming wounded is going to be no issue for you, in fact, it would strengthen your claim as she'd find out your species if she's the one to treat you. I for one will be trusting her judgment.

However, when push comes to shove, I say it is a lot better to reveal than get lynched if you are town. I'd rather gamble on there being a healer to survive than on not getting lynched by your current defense, as it is hardly helping you so far. But that could just be me.

My vote stays for now.

[Eloth]

Omtose, on 26 October 2009 - 12:25 PM, said:

D, on 26 October 2009 - 12:16 PM, said:

did all that not happen on day 1? I doubt you could be wounded before the game began so your reasoning out to find a valid motive for your vote seems overly contrived and pointless. Of that entire statement the only thing that makes any sense is the over reaction to a few votes.

@omtose - i am unsure which faction you are, but it tends not to be a town player when they over react and for that reason alone i am voting you.

sigh....i say again...i never over reacted.
I did react strongly to what i felt was a desent shot at getting scum lynched.


If i never made that much noise do you think barghy and Galain would still be here?....i think so.

Barghast's vote was a spectacularly bad play, so he may have gotten lynched after all (unless the noob-card would have been drawn by a lot of people), although which one of you would have been lynched first is definately open to debate.

[Omtose]

Eloth, on 26 October 2009 - 12:36 PM, said:

Omtose, there has been zero pressure on me. Why would I then place a self-servicing distancing vote?

Oh...now this is rubbish....more than a few times has it been said you are connected to me.
You, seeing this, desperately tries to distance your self from me in the off chance i cf Coven because you will be hunted down next....so your not playing like town should you are playing for yourself.
You clearly come first....wich is something town players shouldnt do.

Eloth, on 26 October 2009 - 12:36 PM, said:

Also, you hint at having a power role for town. That is indeed a good reason to not want to get lynched. If you have a power role, ware you considering a reveal? I definately hope you'll do that in time to stop a lynch, especially if you are Charlie Swan (although seeing how close coven seems to victory they may even counterclaim).

I never hinted at having a power role...i have said that Galain put a vote on me based on a single post, my first post...thinking thinking i am trying to lay low, So HE must have felt i could have a power role. I have not alluded to having anything...only speculated on what galain thought.

Eloth, on 26 October 2009 - 12:36 PM, said:

I know for a fact there is a doctor and she's alive and kicking (and if she's not town, then I'll have to blame myself, but I believe she is), so becoming wounded is going to be no issue for you, in fact, it would strengthen your claim as she'd find out your species if she's the one to treat you. I for one will be trusting her judgment.

WHAT?....are you talking about
Could you elaborate?...you know for a fact that there is a doctor?...
Am i reading this right?
You want me to become wounded and then got to a doctor so they can see my species?
You will trust her jusdgment?.....WTF
Did i miss something?

Eloth, on 26 October 2009 - 12:36 PM, said:

However, when push comes to shove, I say it is a lot better to reveal than get lynched if you are town. I'd rather gamble on there being a healer to survive than on not getting lynched by your current defense, as it is hardly helping you so far. But that could just be me.

My vote stays for now.

Are you really asking for a reveal...i mean flat out asking?

[Omtose]

Eloth, on 26 October 2009 - 12:43 PM, said:

Omtose, on 26 October 2009 - 12:25 PM, said:

D, on 26 October 2009 - 12:16 PM, said:

did all that not happen on day 1? I doubt you could be wounded before the game began so your reasoning out to find a valid motive for your vote seems overly contrived and pointless. Of that entire statement the only thing that makes any sense is the over reaction to a few votes.

@omtose - i am unsure which faction you are, but it tends not to be a town player when they over react and for that reason alone i am voting you.

sigh....i say again...i never over reacted.
I did react strongly to what i felt was a desent shot at getting scum lynched.


If i never made that much noise do you think barghy and Galain would still be here?....i think so.

Barghast's vote was a spectacularly bad play, so he may have gotten lynched after all (unless the noob-card would have been drawn by a lot of people), although which one of you would have been lynched first is definately open to debate.

Barghasts vote was hardly even remarked on untill i made the whole thing an issue....
but watever im not here to debate what might or might not have happened.
I was just trying to explain why i acted in the manner i did.

[Eloth]

Yes, I know for a fact there is a doctor. Yes, I strongly believe she is town. No, she is not me.

No, I don't want you to become wounded on purpose. However, should it happen, there is one who can then confirm whether or not you are human. That is all I have been saying.

Not asking for a reveal. If you CF as Hillbilly 90210, you shouldn't. If you are that important to town that you should live, if you judge you are instrumental to a town victory, consider it.

[Omtose]

I find it interesting that it looks like you really really do believe i might be town with a power role....yet you persist to vote for me.
Very interesting indeed.

I mean by your own mouth you have doubts....yet you are VERY happy with your vote?

[Omtose]

6 anon users....and no one has anything to say?

[Kaschan]

My internet connection cut out last night before I could say anything, but I did get a chance to look over Omtose's posts at the start. And having done so, I have to say it looks very suspicious in my eyes.

Here is Galain's case:

Galain, on 22 October 2009 - 11:18 AM, said:

Omtose, on 22 October 2009 - 08:14 AM, said:

Woawa wee waa...this game is quite convoluted...loads of factions and many implications.

Perhapswe could discuss the best plan of action?... we cant very well startvoting untill we decide who is the best faction to begin hunting.
And i dont want to unwittingly help the scum by targeting the wrong group first.

Somone mentioned that it was unlikely that there are two recruiting factions(merc)?....
Well...Iassume the merc groups can only recruit certain people, wich wouldlimit them and therefore make it possible that they both can recruitwithout ending the game in 3 days.


Anyways...got work to do...will check in through out the day.

Ihave done a belated read up and this is the only post that has anywhiff of taint to it. It is a first day case, but it looks to me likeOmtose wants everyone else to commit to doing the work for him so hecan fly under the radar while appearing to be helpful.

Vote Omtose

There really isn't much there at all - a couple of lines and then a vote. It's not a strong case, it's just throwing a vote out there really.

But then we get the Omtose responses (I've grouped them together into 1 post for ease of reading):

Omtose said:

I was merely stating we should discuss a plan of action.
We seem pretty clueless right now...

I just wanted to bring up a topic to get the discussion going as there is nothing going on

I am busy at work and cant contribute properly till im done.
Asi said the game is very convoluted and we should discuss were to gofirst. Or would you prefer we just run around like headless chickenswhile the scum/mercs pick us off one by one? all the while discussingTHEIR plan of action behind the scenes?

-----------------End of Post 1------------------

I actually find your reasoning very strange Galain?

How would me "looking like i want to stay below the radar" make me look like scum to you in a game like this in any case?
How do you know that i am not on your team?

Your reasoning is unfounded and actually makes no sense, the fact that barghast jumps on immediately is pretty strange too...

----------------End of Post 2------------------

Justto finish...it seems to me that Galain knows exactly who is in histeam. And has slipped up by targeting anyone who has shown any "scum"slips that is not in his team.

The Town DEFINITELY dont know whois on there side so i would put a big bet that Galain is notTown....barghast also...but perhaps not as much.

The bolded sections are bizarre questions with trivial answers. People who look like they want to stay below the radar are often scum. There are lots of scum in the game, so it is reasonable to be looking there. And in every game you'll ever play the town have no idea who is on their team and vote anyway, why should he be any different?

Omtose is using rhetorical questions to try and make Galain seem scummy. The fact that Galain is indeed scum is irrelevant - these are not reasons why someone would seem like scum.

Omtose, on 22 October 2009 - 12:18 PM, said:

like i said... Galain is more than likely not town. (weather scum or merc, who knows)
Too cock sure of his vote and his ridiculous reasoning.

Looking for any old reason to vote of anyone that is not in his team. Only scum know for sure who is on there team.
For me i see it as a potentialy being a slip.

Of course i fully expect him to shout OMGUS .

But i feel my logic is sound

I don't see any cocksureness in Galain's vote beyond the usual. This is more falsehood.

I could go on, because Omtose was kicking up a huge fuss. That in itself is scummy. He says it's because he had found scum and wanted to hammer home the point, but none of his early posts indicate any legitimate reasoning to back that up, so I call bullshit.

Vote Omtose

EDIT: Grammar

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 26 October 2009 - 01:06 PM

[Eloth]

Omtose, on 26 October 2009 - 12:53 PM, said:

I find it interesting that it looks like you really really do believe i might be town with a power role....yet you persist to vote for me.
Very interesting indeed.

I mean by your own mouth you have doubts....yet you are VERY happy with your vote?

Where do I say I believe you are a town power role?
Where do I say I have doubts about your alignment?

Stop putting words in my mouth.

I do believe you are scum, or at the least, I believe you have something to hide and I think that what you are hiding, is that you are scum. However, I'd rather not lynch a fellow townie over my convictions if he can offer a better defense than you have done so far. If we lynch you, we at the least have a very good train and a lot of info from it.
However, what you are currently doing is trying to imagine motives for everyone on your train to vote for you and calling them scum, and calling your panicky reactions your own style. That is not a defense.

@ D'riss: I mention everywhere that i deem it unlikely that Galain knew something about Omtose, but I did want to mention the possibility. I am puzzled by Bubba stepping out like he did and trying to find reasons for it.