[Serc]

was renesmee some thing that would come into play later, as in being born in one of the later books? im not sure how it would work though as shes mentioned in the VC so i would have assumed a player.

[Kaschan]

I also note that both are Coven targets... 

[Serc]

yeah looks like the coven are down to 3 out of their original 7 targets. with them just needing charlie swan, and the two blacks i think. The evil vamps seem to be getting quite close now as well with 2 cullens and bella swan down from their VC, it depends on how many Cullens we started with but it definitely looks like the Coven are the biggest threat atm

[Telas]

Ooooooooh snap rofl. And I was wondering how they were going to work Renesmee in without knowing which faction Bella would be in.

And yes, Coven are suddenly the #1 threat.

[Telas]

Also, Twilight without Bella and Edward? It's almost like it could be a good book.

[Telas]

about the Prologues:

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The Prologues are the time between the Epilogue and the next Book,consisting of the amount of time for the mods' to send out all relevantPMs before they begin the next Book. Ideally these will beinstantaneous but bear with us if we're swamped with actions.

Does this mean that Bella (and the baby) were the only deaths last night and only non-killing actions are going to be resolved now?

[Serc]

i assume that means the prologue is basically the time when the mods will tell people find results or if theyve lost a BP or been wounded etc.. and now im off again should be back on in the morning i think.

[Telas]

Yeah I figured the same, since the Epilogue info says death scenes will be posted for the night results.

[Olar Ethil]

Alkend, on 23 October 2009 - 04:58 PM, said:

I don't like people who get so overly aggressive. Just because you can't see other people's point of view does not mean they are stupid and you do not have the right to insult people like that.

However, I do agree that the case for you being a symp is a bit weak, as it was based on the fact you defended Galain against a weak day 1 case which only seems strong in retrospect as they turned out to be scum.

That's the thing you see. This other point of view was blatantly wrong. Why respect stupidity when it's obvious that's what it is.

Tellan was Bella, huh? That .. I can't really tell whether we should be bothered by her death or not. Surely, considering her character and how universally loved she is by the people making this game she might not've been the most important player to us. Still, another target character down, that's not good.

I hold that Omtose (whom I think is followed by Eloth) is a strong candidate for one of the other scum factions. Apart from him I'd say Telas is another good candidate. Omtose is obvious and I doubt I need to extrapolate my reasons for suspecting him, I'll see if I can do a re-read of Telas.

[Telas]

Read away, Kemosabe, but seriously take the school yard attitude and shove it in the locker. We're adults here (at least most of us), so stop acting like insults are somehow an appropriate response to what you feel is bad gameplay.

If you are not actually Cullen, look at it from our POV--you're flipping out and going batshit over being tied to them. From our POV, that is exactly what most people expect someone who's just lost two members of their faction to do.

[Telas]

And losing Bella is bad, make no mistake about that. She would have provided us with an advantage. Based upon the CF, it doesn't look like she had been recruited by anyone yet. You could argue that she's dangerous because she could be recruited by the Cullens (assuming someone other than Edward or Carlisle was able to do it) or the Queleti, but right now, with her dead, it's pretty clear it's BAD for town and GOOD for Coven and Evil Vampires.

edit: Fixed a typo (wrote hadn't instead of had)

This post has been edited by Telas: 23 October 2009 - 08:54 PM

[Olar Ethil]

Telas, on 23 October 2009 - 08:51 PM, said:

Read away, Kemosabe, but seriously take the school yard attitude and shove it in the locker. We're adults here (at least most of us), so stop acting like insults are somehow an appropriate response to what you feel is bad gameplay.

If you are not actually Cullen, look at it from our POV--you're flipping out and going batshit over being tied to them. From our POV, that is exactly what most people expect someone who's just lost two members of their faction to do.

I'm going "batshit" as you say because I just read three pages of absolute nonsense. I don't deny that Galain was a good target based on Barghast's vote and a little meta, but people were parroting Omtose's arguments, which any player actually reading what was said should see made absolutely no sense. And everyone just nodded and said yes yes, Omtose is wise and repeated his ludicrous claims like they were facts. Damn right that made me pissed. I am not obligated to try to be polite when faced with such incredible stupidity. Every post I read made me want to slam my head into the wall.

[Olar Ethil]

Right, I finished a re-read of Telas.. Sadly that produced nothing of interest. Not because he's not contributed but because I couldn't find anything concrete to make me think he's scum. I'm hardly PI'ing him, but he's no longer on my top list of suspects.

Eloth on the other hand. Omtose and Eloth seem even more connected now. In all honesty I can't be bothered going through the thread again for the appropriate quotes. Later I guess. Still, if there's an Omtose Eloth connection, Omtose is the leader anyway, and I doubt I need to explain further why I would go ahead and vote Omtose.

so,
Omtose

[Telas]

It's not day time yet, Olar.

[Telas]

Funny you should link Omtose and Eloth because I actually had a small Galain-Eloth vibe earlier in the game.

[Path-Shaper]

There is no voting during the prologue.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Book 3: Eclipse. 32 hours remaining.

17 playersalive:Alkend,Ampelas,D'riss,Emurlahn,Eloth,Hood'sPath,Kaschan,Kessobahn,Korvalain,Meanas,Mockra,OlarEthil,Omtose,Ruse,Serc,Silanah,Telas,

9 votes to lynch, 9 to go to night.

No one has voted.

[Telas]

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 12:53 PM, said:

I agree with Galain on Omtose being a bit... in need of a helping hand. Omtose is asking for a faction to hunt, so that we can start voting. Yeah, day 1, we know who's who, right? Not a very good question to ask, imho, as it is unlikely others know more than you.

Any suggestions? Nope, he has none, not even on which faction seems the most dangerous.

He does however have an opinion/ educated guess on how recruitment works. Contradiction much? Speculation on that mechanic usually leads to something of an opinion on how dangerous the mercs are compared to the coven and evil vampires, who are scum per the OP and thus, I assume, killers. He doesn't, sadly, which is strange as an opinion on the mercs can lead to a ranking of who to go for first and answer his own question, at the least until he has other insights or we see an action at work.

My own opinion is that recruitment unlikely to be the way to win the game for the factions that can recruit.
Elimination of certain groups is what makes them win per the OP, and I think recruitment is just one of the tools of the trade that the werewolves and emovamps have in their arsenal, probably not even the most important: the werewolves have to eliminate the entire town, which suggests they (can) do more than just recruiting (seeing how there is also the explicit mention of a wounding mechanic this is more than a remote possibility).

If the mercs can only recruit certain people as Omtose speculates (may or may not be true) it is going to benefit them mostly by using it as a sort of find... unrecruitable = probably an important enemy --> try to lynch (easier with the recruits on your side) or try to kill/wound - but that only goes if they will know whether or not their recruit succeeds, which they may not know.

Even if they can recruit everyone and recruiting counts as elimination (I doubt that) it is still going to be a long game for them if they don't have other ways to take the opposition out. And there is quite a lot of opposition for every single faction if I read the OP correctly. So, based on that, I doubt merc = recruitment and little else in the way of powers.

In fact, I'd say there are at least 7 people to take out per objective (going by the condition of the coven, as that one has names and thus allows a count)- I doubt D'rek would give one faction a much easier to achieve objective than others, and it could well be that the Coven as a scum faction has the lowest number because their objective is the most specific one.

With (close to?) double digits still on the clock, I'm very likely to be back before deadline so I won't cast my vote yet, but I do wonder if some of Omtose's amazement at the game isn't acting, seeing how he has made the step of theorizing about recruitment, which must lead to some ordering of scum.

This post stood out to me when I was privately re-reading after Galain turned up Edward.

[Telas]

Anyway, all it means is that I am not really inclined to lynch Eloth or you. Need to lynch killers =\

I think it's a bit of a shame that while several names have been tossed around all game, quite a few others haven't been mentioned at all.

[Olar Ethil]

Ah, I thought it was day already. *sigh*

vote omtose

for reasons given above