[Omtose]

Silanah, on 22 October 2009 - 02:42 PM, said:

Omtose, on 22 October 2009 - 02:39 PM, said:

Galains vote makes no sense since his sole reason was that i am trying to be below the radar...so why place a vote?
He cant possibly think i am not in his faction from that alone, inno's play below the radar too, how is he so cock sure im not on his team?
The way i see it is he knows his team and didnt factor this in when willy nilly placing a vote on me when other people who are cautious because they DONT know who is on their team would be more carefully before pointing fingers and boldly placing votes.

Just as you can't be sure he's not town or whatever from his paranoia. I am not even sure what to look for atm.

ofcourse i cant be sure about anything.
But in my opinion... an inno would not vote so willy nilly on a case like that without being pretty sure the other player is not on your team.

If i think someone trying to stay below the radar, in a game like this...i would at least first ATTEMPT to find out if that person is more or less likely on my side, before throwing out wild votes based on a non case made from a persons very first post!
He does not seem paranoid to me at all, he seems like he just needed an excuse to place a vote.

With everything that has happened i find that he more likely than not could know his team already...its not solid proof by any means but for me it at least something on day 1.

[Silanah]

Omtose, on 22 October 2009 - 02:52 PM, said:

ofcourse i cant be sure about anything.
But in my opinion... an inno would not vote so willy nilly on a case like that without being pretty sure the other player is not on your team.

If i think someone trying to stay below the radar, in a game like this...i would at least first ATTEMPT to find out if that person is more or less likely on my side, before throwing out wild votes based on a non case made from a persons very first post!
He does not seem paranoid to me at all, he seems like he just needed an excuse to place a vote.

With everything that has happened i find that he more likely than not could know his team already...its not solid proof by any means but for me it at least something on day 1.

Those are valid points - I would like for Galain to respond to this.

[Omtose]

Maybe im the one thats overly paranoid...

[Emurlahn]

Galain, on 22 October 2009 - 12:58 AM, said:

Hey, it is great to see the game is underway. I will get to do a proper read up in a few hours. BBS

Galain, on 22 October 2009 - 11:18 AM, said:

Omtose, on 22 October 2009 - 08:14 AM, said:

Woawa wee waa...this game is quite convoluted...loads of factions and many implications.

Perhaps we could discuss the best plan of action?... we cant very well start voting untill we decide who is the best faction to begin hunting.
And i dont want to unwittingly help the scum by targeting the wrong group first.

Somone mentioned that it was unlikely that there are two recruiting factions(merc)?....
Well...I assume the merc groups can only recruit certain people, wich would limit them and therefore make it possible that they both can recruit without ending the game in 3 days.


Anyways...got work to do...will check in through out the day.

I have done a belated read up and this is the only post that has any whiff of taint to it. It is a first day case, but it looks to me like Omtose wants everyone else to commit to doing the work for him so he can fly under the radar while appearing to be helpful.

Vote Omtose

That all of Galain's post one saying he is here, the other he is dropping a post down on Omtose.

He admitting it a first day case, but if I was going to go with Galain argument I would want multiple posts from Omtose as extra evidence of Omtose playing style. One post doesn't prove a playing trend.

The first day case statement reads as "If I'm wrong don't blame me as it is only first day." But he does seem so fucking sure that Omtose isn't on his side, which could suggest that Galain is scum.

EDIT: Added Galain's first post.

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 22 October 2009 - 03:10 PM

[Emurlahn]

Then there Barghast vote, him saying he won't be on later might be an excuse from him so he doesn't have to defend his vote today.

[Tellan]

morning, all

seems we got some activity

vote Galain

because he sure sounds like he's got a better idea of what's going on then me,and since he's being symped by Barghast, I'd say he may be a faction leader.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Book 1: Twilight. 11 hours, 15 minutes remaining.

20 players alive: Alkend, Ampelas,Barghast,D'riss,Emurlahn,Eloth,Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan,Kessobahn,Korvalain,Meanas,Mockra,Olar Ethil, Omtose, Ruse, Serc,Silanah, Telas,Tellan

11 votes to lynch. 10 to go to Epilogue.

2 votes Omtose (Galain, Barghast)
1 vote Galain (Tellan)


Players not voted: Alkend, Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Eloth, Hood'sPath, Kaschan, Kessobahn,Korvalain, Meanas ,Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose,Ruse, Serc, Silanah, Telas,


D'rek here. Clearly the forum crashed from an overload of sparkle.Added 2 hours due to the crash (about the duration it was down).

[Omtose]

FINALLY done at work

So lets look at this

Path-Shaper, on 19 October 2009 - 11:38 PM, said:

Victory Conditions:

Town - Eliminate the Cullens, Queleti and all Killers.

fairly obvious....kill everyone

Path-Shaper, on 19 October 2009 - 11:38 PM, said:

Cullens - Eliminate the Evil Vampires, the Coven and all original members of the Queleti

The cullens have to kill everyone except for town!!, this is interesting. Since wile we are celebrating the lynches of scum...so will they be
In a sence we will be helping them to victory every time we kill any other scum but them.
So we have to get rid of them before we kill every other faction/scum group
Also note the bold....Queleti must be able to recruit

Path-Shaper, on 19 October 2009 - 11:38 PM, said:

Queleti - Eliminate the Town, and all original members of the Cullens

Ok...so town has to stay alive wich is a given, So hunting Cullens helps them
If we see that the cullens have taken a beating then we need to get some Queleti

Path-Shaper, on 19 October 2009 - 11:38 PM, said:

Evil Vampires - Kill the Cullens, Werewolves, Coven and Bella Swan

So as long as Bella swan is alive...we dont really need to worry too much about the vamps in the beginning.
Is Bella swan Town or what?
This could get fucking confusing

Path-Shaper, on 19 October 2009 - 11:38 PM, said:

Coven - Kill Edward Cullen, Carlisle Cullen, Jacob Black, Billy Black, Charlie Swan, Bella Swan and Renesmee Swan.

The coven are ok as long as the swans are alive aswell.

The main problem i see here is if we get into a situation that we cant win.
We cant lynch all the Vamps , coven and queleti untill the cullen are all dead.
We CAN kill all the cullens because queleti need town dead too...and if we are all dead then we are lost already.

Man...im getting confused....anyone else got any ideas?

I suppose the cullens are the most wanted but right now anything should do as long as its not any of the Swans

[Tellan]

Bella Swan starts out "neutral" as do several others, from the hints that D'rek dropped earlier.

[Omtose]

This could get ugly we have no idea how many are in each faction...so we wont know if one faction is completely dead before we are safe to kill the other one.
We could unwittingly think one faction is dead only to later fulfill that factions conditions for them!!



edit - thing becomes think

This post has been edited by Omtose: 22 October 2009 - 03:32 PM

[Omtose]

Well....its home time for me.
I wont be on for deadline unfortuantely.

Vote Galain

Do i really need to give a reason?


cheers

[Mockra]

I'm here, only 5 pages to catch up on back in a few.

[Tellan]

and only 2 of them with content,

[Ruse]

In the midst of the hoopla over Galain and Omtose these posts from Barghast are the most suspicious to me. Nobody was talking to Barghast when he posted this message.

Barghast, on 22 October 2009 - 05:51 AM, said:

Ok, will do!

To me that is a reply to someone. But there is nothing to reply to on the thread. Nobody was talking to him. Right after this Tellan asks him what he is talking about and is ignored. With out getting into the why and hows for Galains vote for Omtose someone always is the first person to be voted for and it is usually nothing at all. Galain's vote to me looks like someone trying to get a reaction.

Galain, on 22 October 2009 - 11:18 AM, said:

Omtose, on 22 October 2009 - 08:14 AM, said:

Woawa wee waa...this game is quite convoluted...loads of factions and many implications.

Perhaps we could discuss the best plan of action?... we cant very well start voting untill we decide who is the best faction to begin hunting.
And i dont want to unwittingly help the scum by targeting the wrong group first.

Somone mentioned that it was unlikely that there are two recruiting factions(merc)?....
Well...I assume the merc groups can only recruit certain people, wich would limit them and therefore make it possible that they both can recruit without ending the game in 3 days.


Anyways...got work to do...will check in through out the day.

I have done a belated read up and this is the only post that has any whiff of taint to it. It is a first day case, but it looks to me like Omtose wants everyone else to commit to doing the work for him so he can fly under the radar while appearing to be helpful.

Vote Omtose

But then Barghast comes in with another criptic post. Seemingly agreeing with Omtose but once again nobody was talking to him. Then he lays a vote down with out any reason.

Barghast, on 22 October 2009 - 11:25 AM, said:

agreed


Vote Omtose

Now I am not the first one to point this out.

Alkend, on 22 October 2009 - 11:38 AM, said:

Jumping on the bandwagon much there Barghast?

I don't really see anything wrong with that post, it is kind of the obvious question to ask at the start of the game.

More cryptic responses from Barghast. No explanation on why jumping on a vote with out providing any insite at all makes sense.

Barghast, on 22 October 2009 - 11:39 AM, said:

Why yes...

And it DOES make sense too...

And i migth not get online to vote later today so it might have been the last chance...

To me Barghast exchanges are much more suspicious and seem to be indicative of someone who is following directions.


Vote Barghast

[Path-Shaper]

It is Book 1: Twilight. 10 hours, 35 minutes remaining.

20 players alive: Alkend,Ampelas,Barghast,D'riss,Emurlahn,Eloth,Galain, Hood's Path,Kaschan,Kessobahn,Korvalain,Meanas,Mockra,Olar Ethil, Omtose, Ruse,Serc,Silanah, Telas,Tellan

11 votes to lynch. 10 to go to Epilogue.

2 votes Omtose (Galain, Barghast)
2 votes Galain (Tellan, Omtose)
1 vote Barghast (Ruse)


Players not voted: Alkend, Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Eloth,Hood's Path, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Serc, Silanah, Telas,

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 22 October 2009 - 04:04 PM

[Galain]

Wow did that feeler vote start a shit storm. Your massive, and I mean MASSIVE over reaction makes me think I struck a cord Omtose. I am going to reread everything from my vote onward to see who is jumping were.

My time is very limited so I will not be back on for a few hours.

As I look at it now my vote stays.

[Tellan]

since Bargy's first post was edited, I assumed PS told him to change something, so he wrote the ok will do stuff.

the other thing stinks off symping Galain, which is why i'm voting him.

[Olar Ethil]

Yay, forum again..

Now, to the Omtose vs Galain thing.

Omtose, on 22 October 2009 - 08:14 AM, said:

Woawa wee waa...this game is quite convoluted...loads of factions and many implications.

Perhaps we could discuss the best plan of action?... we cant very well start voting untill we decide who is the best faction to begin hunting.
And i dont want to unwittingly help the scum by targeting the wrong group first.

Somone mentioned that it was unlikely that there are two recruiting factions(merc)?....
Well...I assume the merc groups can only recruit certain people, wich would limit them and therefore make it possible that they both can recruit without ending the game in 3 days.


Anyways...got work to do...will check in through out the day.

This post did make me think scum right away. It made me decide to keep a closer eye on Omtose, though I didn't find it suspicious enough to place a vote. However, as it was day 1 and no discussion going I quite understand Galain's choice. Generate discussion he did, and did it well.

Now, as I said, I don't find the above post reason to lynch Omtose, but his subsequent reaction. That sets of a number of alarms in my head.

Omtose, on 22 October 2009 - 12:01 PM, said:

Just to finish...it seems to me that Galain knows exactly who is in his team. And has slipped up by targeting anyone who has shown any "scum" slips that is not in his team.

The Town DEFINITELY dont know who is on there side so i would put a big bet that Galain is not Town....barghast also...but perhaps not as much.

I didn't see a reason to quote everything. Omtose overreacted massively to Galain's vote, and he started making claims to just do not make sense. Why the hell would Galain know exactly who his team is because he voted for Omtose for being scum? Voting is what town does every game. Should we always wait for a finder? Not lynch until day 4? A slip? This is how the innos are meant to play. Sitting around like sheep ready for slaughter is not how we can approach this game. Technically, seeing that there are so many scum playing a lynch becomes an even more powerfull tool. Shit, we've got what could constitute to a 50 50 chance of lynching scum, and Omtose tries to claim we should not try to lynch at all before we're certain.

As I said earlier, the first post didn't want to make me vote Omtose, but the following exchange does. The fact that people seem to just gobble up Omtose long chain of un-logic is equally interesting.

Omtose

[Mockra]

Read up--- Seems that something thats getting lost in the Omtose and Galain debate is the Barghast vote. wtf... honestly that set off more alarm bells than the Galain vote, or the Omtose rebuttal.

It seems Barghast is doing exactly What Omtose is claiming Galain did. With the caveat that Galain at least had a reason for his vote. Barghasts reason was ...

"Agreed"

Not only does it seem he knows who is on his team (aka Omtose isn't), he seems to want a train going as quick as possible, with as little thought as possible... he doesn't even throw in his own thoughts on the matter. When you are a killing killer that kills you really don't have to think to much.

vote Barghast

I could actually see some merit in galain's observation. I don't agree with it and if given the choice I would vote Galain over Omtose.But of the 3 I find Barghast's the most concerning.

[Mockra]

Holy Huge X-post batman!!