[Kaschan]

Barghast, on 21 October 2009 - 07:33 PM, said:

more a combination of:
Cliche
star wars
LOTR
Fanatical atherist
with some scandenavian thrown in for good messure

Emurlahn, on 21 October 2009 - 07:54 PM, said:

Well I'm imagining a thresome of Liea, Arwen and Korlat with that list of what this is about.

So it is ranking on the quality of Goodkind work.

And a bastard child so what, there is possibly quite a few ancestors of ours who were born out of wedlock lol.

I was all ready to call this signalling, and then I realised that Korlat isn't playing.

[Kaschan]

(That's me checking in, by the way)

[Kaschan]

That case by Galain is just stupid - we've got to stop lynching the people who try and get discussion going early on, it leaves us scratching our heads for a few days before anything meaningful happens. Didn't like the Barghast vote, but I can only assume that he was trying to generate some discussion, because no way would someone throw a vote down like that in perfect seriousness. But I'm not prepared to lynch on the first options that come along. Wish I could provide some more myself, but this squiggly line has a very busy day ahead of him and won't be back for another 8 hours or so.

[Eloth]

I agree with Galain on Omtose being a bit... in need of a helping hand. Omtose is asking for a faction to hunt, so that we can start voting. Yeah, day 1, we know who's who, right? Not a very good question to ask, imho, as it is unlikely others know more than you.

Any suggestions? Nope, he has none, not even on which faction seems the most dangerous.

He does however have an opinion/ educated guess on how recruitment works. Contradiction much? Speculation on that mechanic usually leads to something of an opinion on how dangerous the mercs are compared to the coven and evil vampires, who are scum per the OP and thus, I assume, killers. He doesn't, sadly, which is strange as an opinion on the mercs can lead to a ranking of who to go for first and answer his own question, at the least until he has other insights or we see an action at work.

My own opinion is that recruitment unlikely to be the way to win the game for the factions that can recruit.
Elimination of certain groups is what makes them win per the OP, and I think recruitment is just one of the tools of the trade that the werewolves and emovamps have in their arsenal, probably not even the most important: the werewolves have to eliminate the entire town, which suggests they (can) do more than just recruiting (seeing how there is also the explicit mention of a wounding mechanic this is more than a remote possibility).

If the mercs can only recruit certain people as Omtose speculates (may or may not be true) it is going to benefit them mostly by using it as a sort of find... unrecruitable = probably an important enemy --> try to lynch (easier with the recruits on your side) or try to kill/wound - but that only goes if they will know whether or not their recruit succeeds, which they may not know.

Even if they can recruit everyone and recruiting counts as elimination (I doubt that) it is still going to be a long game for them if they don't have other ways to take the opposition out. And there is quite a lot of opposition for every single faction if I read the OP correctly. So, based on that, I doubt merc = recruitment and little else in the way of powers.

In fact, I'd say there are at least 7 people to take out per objective (going by the condition of the coven, as that one has names and thus allows a count)- I doubt D'rek would give one faction a much easier to achieve objective than others, and it could well be that the Coven as a scum faction has the lowest number because their objective is the most specific one.

With (close to?) double digits still on the clock, I'm very likely to be back before deadline so I won't cast my vote yet, but I do wonder if some of Omtose's amazement at the game isn't acting, seeing how he has made the step of theorizing about recruitment, which must lead to some ordering of scum.

[Serc]

wait why would you doubt that recruiting would count towards eliminating the town, seems sensible to me, if someone is recruited theyre no longer town by definition. On the recruitment id say that its likely that the recruiting is done from the town as i cant see a way the werwolves could recruit a vampire or vice versa, unless someone can think of some strange twilight thing that makes it possible.
on the omtose thing im not really sure about it but it doesnt seem very strong, though i think i need to go back over the last few pages soon and check more closely.

[Omtose]

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 12:53 PM, said:

I agree with Galain on Omtose being a bit... in need of a helping hand. Omtose is asking for a faction to hunt, so that we can start voting. Yeah, day 1, we know who's who, right? Not a very good question to ask, imho, as it is unlikely others know more than you.

I am not asking for a faction to hunt...i am asking what you guys think our best course of action would be. like Wich faction do you think is the biggest threat etc.
What is wrong with a bit of direction?

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 12:53 PM, said:

Any suggestions? Nope, he has none, not even on which faction seems the most dangerous.

I have not had the time to study the different factions as of yet im at work and was hoping for some discussion to read as i have a few minutes here and there to read and reply and discuss.
Instead i get attacked for asking for discussion on a valid topic.

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 12:53 PM, said:

He does however have an opinion/ educated guess on how recruitment works. Contradiction much? Speculation on that mechanic usually leads to something of an opinion on how dangerous the mercs are compared to the coven and evil vampires, who are scum per the OP and thus, I assume, killers. He doesn't, sadly, which is strange as an opinion on the mercs can lead to a ranking of who to go for first and answer his own question, at the least until he has other insights or we see an action at work.

Someone said that he doubts that both merc teams can recuit...i was just giving a scenario how they CAN

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 12:53 PM, said:

My own opinion is that recruitment unlikely to be the way to win the game for the factions that can recruit.
Elimination of certain groups is what makes them win per the OP, and I think recruitment is just one of the tools of the trade that the werewolves and emovamps have in their arsenal, probably not even the most important: the werewolves have to eliminate the entire town, which suggests they (can) do more than just recruiting (seeing how there is also the explicit mention of a wounding mechanic this is more than a remote possibility).

If the mercs can only recruit certain people as Omtose speculates (may or may not be true) it is going to benefit them mostly by using it as a sort of find... unrecruitable = probably an important enemy --> try to lynch (easier with the recruits on your side) or try to kill/wound - but that only goes if they will know whether or not their recruit succeeds, which they may not know.

Even if they can recruit everyone and recruiting counts as elimination (I doubt that) it is still going to be a long game for them if they don't have other ways to take the opposition out. And there is quite a lot of opposition for every single faction if I read the OP correctly. So, based on that, I doubt merc = recruitment and little else in the way of powers.

In fact, I'd say there are at least 7 people to take out per objective (going by the condition of the coven, as that one has names and thus allows a count)- I doubt D'rek would give one faction a much easier to achieve objective than others, and it could well be that the Coven as a scum faction has the lowest number because their objective is the most specific one.

With (close to?) double digits still on the clock, I'm very likely to be back before deadline so I won't cast my vote yet, but I do wonder if some of Omtose's amazement at the game isn't acting, seeing how he has made the step of theorizing about recruitment, which must lead to some ordering of scum.

I nver said they can ONLY recruit (more strawmanning.)
I just said that if they both can recruit...then its most likley that they can only recruit certain people making it harder for them to take over the game, making the game more balanced.

I could easily see you being on omtose team...blatant sympage is blatant


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This post has been edited by Omtose: 22 October 2009 - 01:09 PM

[Kessobahn]

Omtose, on 22 October 2009 - 01:06 PM, said:

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 12:53 PM, said:

I agree with Galain on Omtose being a bit... in need of a helping hand. Omtose is asking for a faction to hunt, so that we can start voting. Yeah, day 1, we know who's who, right? Not a very good question to ask, imho, as it is unlikely others know more than you.

I am not asking for a faction to hunt...i am asking what you guys think our best course of action would be. like Wich faction do you think is the biggest threat etc.
What is wrong with a bit of direction?

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 12:53 PM, said:

Any suggestions? Nope, he has none, not even on which faction seems the most dangerous.

I have not had the time to study the different factions as of yet im at work and was hoping for some discussion to read as i have a few minutes here and there to read and reply and discuss.
Instead i get attacked for asking for discussion on a valid topic.

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 12:53 PM, said:

He does however have an opinion/ educated guess on how recruitment works. Contradiction much? Speculation on that mechanic usually leads to something of an opinion on how dangerous the mercs are compared to the coven and evil vampires, who are scum per the OP and thus, I assume, killers. He doesn't, sadly, which is strange as an opinion on the mercs can lead to a ranking of who to go for first and answer his own question, at the least until he has other insights or we see an action at work.

Someone said that he doubts that both merc teams can recuit...i was just giving a scenario how they CAN

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 12:53 PM, said:

My own opinion is that recruitment unlikely to be the way to win the game for the factions that can recruit.
Elimination of certain groups is what makes them win per the OP, and I think recruitment is just one of the tools of the trade that the werewolves and emovamps have in their arsenal, probably not even the most important: the werewolves have to eliminate the entire town, which suggests they (can) do more than just recruiting (seeing how there is also the explicit mention of a wounding mechanic this is more than a remote possibility).

If the mercs can only recruit certain people as Omtose speculates (may or may not be true) it is going to benefit them mostly by using it as a sort of find... unrecruitable = probably an important enemy --> try to lynch (easier with the recruits on your side) or try to kill/wound - but that only goes if they will know whether or not their recruit succeeds, which they may not know.

Even if they can recruit everyone and recruiting counts as elimination (I doubt that) it is still going to be a long game for them if they don't have other ways to take the opposition out. And there is quite a lot of opposition for every single faction if I read the OP correctly. So, based on that, I doubt merc = recruitment and little else in the way of powers.

In fact, I'd say there are at least 7 people to take out per objective (going by the condition of the coven, as that one has names and thus allows a count)- I doubt D'rek would give one faction a much easier to achieve objective than others, and it could well be that the Coven as a scum faction has the lowest number because their objective is the most specific one.

With (close to?) double digits still on the clock, I'm very likely to be back before deadline so I won't cast my vote yet, but I do wonder if some of Omtose's amazement at the game isn't acting, seeing how he has made the step of theorizing about recruitment, which must lead to some ordering of scum.

I nver said they can ONLY recruit (more strawmanning.)
I just said that if they both can recruit...then its most likley that they can only recruit certain people making it harder for them to take over the game, making the game more balanced.

I could easily see you being on omtose team...blatant sympage is blatant


edit - quote tags

Yes, you can easily see that he's (possibly) on Team YOURSELF, since you're talking with him. And YOURSELF. Very suspicious.

[Omtose]

Kessobahn, on 22 October 2009 - 01:12 PM, said:

Omtose, on 22 October 2009 - 01:06 PM, said:

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 12:53 PM, said:

I agree with Galain on Omtose being a bit... in need of a helping hand. Omtose is asking for a faction to hunt, so that we can start voting. Yeah, day 1, we know who's who, right? Not a very good question to ask, imho, as it is unlikely others know more than you.

I am not asking for a faction to hunt...i am asking what you guys think our best course of action would be. like Wich faction do you think is the biggest threat etc.
What is wrong with a bit of direction?

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 12:53 PM, said:

Any suggestions? Nope, he has none, not even on which faction seems the most dangerous.

I have not had the time to study the different factions as of yet im at work and was hoping for some discussion to read as i have a few minutes here and there to read and reply and discuss.
Instead i get attacked for asking for discussion on a valid topic.

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 12:53 PM, said:

He does however have an opinion/ educated guess on how recruitment works. Contradiction much? Speculation on that mechanic usually leads to something of an opinion on how dangerous the mercs are compared to the coven and evil vampires, who are scum per the OP and thus, I assume, killers. He doesn't, sadly, which is strange as an opinion on the mercs can lead to a ranking of who to go for first and answer his own question, at the least until he has other insights or we see an action at work.

Someone said that he doubts that both merc teams can recuit...i was just giving a scenario how they CAN

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 12:53 PM, said:

My own opinion is that recruitment unlikely to be the way to win the game for the factions that can recruit.
Elimination of certain groups is what makes them win per the OP, and I think recruitment is just one of the tools of the trade that the werewolves and emovamps have in their arsenal, probably not even the most important: the werewolves have to eliminate the entire town, which suggests they (can) do more than just recruiting (seeing how there is also the explicit mention of a wounding mechanic this is more than a remote possibility).

If the mercs can only recruit certain people as Omtose speculates (may or may not be true) it is going to benefit them mostly by using it as a sort of find... unrecruitable = probably an important enemy --> try to lynch (easier with the recruits on your side) or try to kill/wound - but that only goes if they will know whether or not their recruit succeeds, which they may not know.

Even if they can recruit everyone and recruiting counts as elimination (I doubt that) it is still going to be a long game for them if they don't have other ways to take the opposition out. And there is quite a lot of opposition for every single faction if I read the OP correctly. So, based on that, I doubt merc = recruitment and little else in the way of powers.

In fact, I'd say there are at least 7 people to take out per objective (going by the condition of the coven, as that one has names and thus allows a count)- I doubt D'rek would give one faction a much easier to achieve objective than others, and it could well be that the Coven as a scum faction has the lowest number because their objective is the most specific one.

With (close to?) double digits still on the clock, I'm very likely to be back before deadline so I won't cast my vote yet, but I do wonder if some of Omtose's amazement at the game isn't acting, seeing how he has made the step of theorizing about recruitment, which must lead to some ordering of scum.

I nver said they can ONLY recruit (more strawmanning.)
I just said that if they both can recruit...then its most likley that they can only recruit certain people making it harder for them to take over the game, making the game more balanced.

I could easily see you being on omtose team...blatant sympage is blatant


edit - quote tags

Yes, you can easily see that he's (possibly) on Team YOURSELF, since you're talking with him. And YOURSELF. Very suspicious.

haha lol


Obviously i am getting the names omtose and Galain mixed up....early days..early days

[Ampelas]

Ok back for a little bit.

Not sure what to make of the Omtose/Galain thing. I think Omtose has a point though, I read his post and it doesn't tell me at all what group he's with. Galain doesn't seem bothered by that so he's happy to vote.

One thing though, do you really need to quote those big posts just to add one line?

[Omtose]

Ampelas, on 22 October 2009 - 02:09 PM, said:

One thing though, do you really need to quote those big posts just to add one line?

Sorry...normally i would edit the quote but really i am rather busy at work....ALMOST done

[Silanah]

Fuck I wrote a post then I accidentally refreshed the page before i could post.

[Emurlahn]

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 12:53 PM, said:

I agree with Galain on Omtose being a bit... in need of a helping hand. Omtose is asking for a faction to hunt, so that we can start voting. Yeah, day 1, we know who's who, right? Not a very good question to ask, imho, as it is unlikely others know more than you.

Any suggestions? Nope, he has none, not even on which faction seems the most dangerous.

He does however have an opinion/ educated guess on how recruitment works. Contradiction much? Speculation on that mechanic usually leads to something of an opinion on how dangerous the mercs are compared to the coven and evil vampires, who are scum per the OP and thus, I assume, killers. He doesn't, sadly, which is strange as an opinion on the mercs can lead to a ranking of who to go for first and answer his own question, at the least until he has other insights or we see an action at work.

My own opinion is that recruitment unlikely to be the way to win the game for the factions that can recruit.
Elimination of certain groups is what makes them win per the OP, and I think recruitment is just one of the tools of the trade that the werewolves and emovamps have in their arsenal, probably not even the most important: the werewolves have to eliminate the entire town, which suggests they (can) do more than just recruiting (seeing how there is also the explicit mention of a wounding mechanic this is more than a remote possibility).

If the mercs can only recruit certain people as Omtose speculates (may or may not be true) it is going to benefit them mostly by using it as a sort of find... unrecruitable = probably an important enemy --> try to lynch (easier with the recruits on your side) or try to kill/wound - but that only goes if they will know whether or not their recruit succeeds, which they may not know.

Even if they can recruit everyone and recruiting counts as elimination (I doubt that) it is still going to be a long game for them if they don't have other ways to take the opposition out. And there is quite a lot of opposition for every single faction if I read the OP correctly. So, based on that, I doubt merc = recruitment and little else in the way of powers.

In fact, I'd say there are at least 7 people to take out per objective (going by the condition of the coven, as that one has names and thus allows a count)- I doubt D'rek would give one faction a much easier to achieve objective than others, and it could well be that the Coven as a scum faction has the lowest number because their objective is the most specific one.

With (close to?) double digits still on the clock, I'm very likely to be back before deadline so I won't cast my vote yet, but I do wonder if some of Omtose's amazement at the game isn't acting, seeing how he has made the step of theorizing about recruitment, which must lead to some ordering of scum.

Right is this that meant to be a case against Omtose, cause if so can you at least quote the posts you are talking about to back up what you are saying. I remember Omtose asking who did he believe may be the bigger threat to town, but where did he mention recruitment, my memory is good but I'm not going to remember every single thing a person says or do.

[Omtose]

Silanah, on 22 October 2009 - 02:21 PM, said:

Fuck I wrote a post then I accidentally refreshed the page before i could post.

click back!! sometimes works

[Omtose]

Emurlahn, on 22 October 2009 - 02:23 PM, said:

Right is this that meant to be a case against Omtose, cause if so can you at least quote the posts you are talking about to back up what you are saying. I remember Omtose asking who did he believe may be the bigger threat to town, but where did he mention recruitment, my memory is good but I'm not going to remember every single thing a person says or do.

my first post in bold is where i mention recruitment

Omtose, on 22 October 2009 - 08:14 AM, said:

Woawa wee waa...this game is quite convoluted...loads of factions and many implications.

Perhaps we could discuss the best plan of action?... we cant very well start voting untill we decide who is the best faction to begin hunting.
And i dont want to unwittingly help the scum by targeting the wrong group first.

Somone mentioned that it was unlikely that there are two recruiting factions(merc)?....
Well...I assume the merc groups can only recruit certain people, wich would limit them and therefore make it possible that they both can recruit without ending the game in 3 days.


Anyways...got work to do...will check in through out the day.

[Emurlahn]

Clicking back will work if you pressed the add reply button, in my experience, as the browser will have saved what you've written when it sent the info to the forum, will I think that what happens anyway.

[Emurlahn]

Thanks Omtose at least I can understand what Eloth is trying to say now.

[Silanah]

SIGH. Okay the gist of it was that I think Galain is being overly paranoid, but that I get where he is coming from - I read Omtose post he was referring to and I definitely get a scum vibe - the general, soft wording etc. But it's not much to build a vote on, imo. When we are talking scum behavior, it's always wifom. Did Omtose not vote right away because he's comfortable as non-scum, or is it because he's scum and doesn't want to paint himself into a corner? Does Galain vote right away because he's scum and need to be aggressive as to not seem suspicious or did he do it because he is a paranoid non-scum? Add to that the confusion of factions, and it's hard to interpret the situation. I am undecided, but I am definitely keeping an eye on the development.

Edit: I tried clicking back, but since I stupidly refreshed, that didn't work.

This post has been edited by Silanah: 22 October 2009 - 02:31 PM

[Omtose]

I understand that people could see what i have said in different light to what i actually MEANT.
When i say "what faction to hunt" i mean when we decide what action we are going to take. That being one of the options after discussion.

But that is not why Galain placed his vote....he placed his vote simply because he felt i was asking others to talk while i stay below the radar.
Which is not what i was trying to do...i was merely retying to elicit conversation on what we should do as the thread was dead and people where not discussing the game.

Galains vote makes no sense since his sole reason was that i am trying to be below the radar...so why place a vote?
He cant possibly think i am not in his faction from that alone, inno's play below the radar too, how is he so cock sure im not on his team?
The way i see it is he knows his team and didnt factor this in when willy nilly placing a vote on me when other people who are cautious because they DONT know who is on their team would be more carefully before pointing fingers and boldly placing votes.

[Silanah]

Omtose, on 22 October 2009 - 02:39 PM, said:

Galains vote makes no sense since his sole reason was that i am trying to be below the radar...so why place a vote?
He cant possibly think i am not in his faction from that alone, inno's play below the radar too, how is he so cock sure im not on his team?
The way i see it is he knows his team and didnt factor this in when willy nilly placing a vote on me when other people who are cautious because they DONT know who is on their team would be more carefully before pointing fingers and boldly placing votes.

Just as you can't be sure he's not town or whatever from his paranoia. I am not even sure what to look for atm.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Book 1: Twilight. 11 hours, 45 minutes remaining.

20 players alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Barghast,D'riss,Emurlahn,Eloth,Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Kessobahn,Korvalain,Meanas,Mockra,Olar Ethil, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Silanah, Telas,Tellan

11 votes to lynch. 10 to go to Epilogue.

2 votes Omtose (Galain, Barghast)


Players not voted: Alkend, Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Eloth, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Kessobahn,Korvalain, Meanas ,Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Silanah, Telas,Tellan


D'rek here. Clearly the forum crashed from an overload of sparkle. Added 2 hours due to the crash (about the duration it was down).

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 22 October 2009 - 02:47 PM