[Kaschan]

Telas, on 28 October 2009 - 06:09 PM, said:

Also where the hell did you come from Kaschan, lol? Lurk much?

I don't really like talking during night time, plus I had the browser open at work, but was busy. However, the scene was nicely timed with my work ending for the day. I'm off home now, I'll post a bit later.

[Telas]

Kessobahn, on 27 October 2009 - 11:51 PM, said:

I'm going to be gone for about 12-13 hours, so I'm just going to take my vote off Olar and see how things have worked out when I return.

remove vote

This is the foundation for a Kessobahn case I'm going to make. He was going to be gone for a long time (past the lynch timer even) and removed a vote, even though he had seemed to place the vote without much thought earlier. D'riss already brought this up:

D, on 28 October 2009 - 08:15 AM, said:

*SNIP*

Kessobahn, on 27 October 2009 - 04:33 PM, said:

Wow. Silly dkt.

vote Olar Ethil

yet at the time of your vote it didnt seem that big a deal when you placed your vote and you defended it a few times afterwards.

Now it seems pretty clear that Alkend and Kesso were NOT symping Serc since Serc was the last/only member of the Coven, so the question becomes, why was Alkend so gung ho about voting Serc to test the theory while Kesso seemed to shirk away from potentially being tied to Serc?

Alkend is now dead, kind of surprisingly. He was Billy Black and supposedly a member of the town, but I wouldn't be that surprised if that was a masked CF. However, that theory has some of its own problems. If Billy is really a member of the Queleti, then he could have potentially exposed himself as a member of another faction if Serc came back as a member of the scum. So it stands to reason that it's MORE likely that he was town... but it's also not hard to imagine him just rolling the dice and trying to pin the CF on someone other than himself if it came back as a scum faction, if he was really a Queleti. This would add credibility to the idea that Alkend may have tried to fake-symp Serc, maybe seeing the same thing that Korv did w/ Kesso's quote earlier in the game. In any event, he's now dead.

Kesso, on the other hand, appeared as if he didn't want to risk being tied to ANY CF. When he 'left' it was 4 Serc 3 OE 1 Emur. So it could have been an OE lynch and maybe Kesso is OE's symp and after his vote signal didn't want to risk lynching his master. It could also be he just didn't want to get tied to any one CF (although the byproduct of removing his vote is that said action looks suspicious). I want to look over Kesso and see if anything seems vote worthy to me.

[Mockra]

Guys I think Ruse has it right. Up till now I haven't really been sure but the more I think about it the more it makes sense. After night ended I went back and , looked at some of Emur's posts with the Ruse case in mind. Really think Emur is not town and possibly killer vamp or WW. Don't know for sure if he is Wolf or Evil vamp, but they way he has played to this point makes me think non town.

This is in addition to the Ruse case, which makes a lot of sense to me.

This vote was bogus, Telas mentions it later. In fact I think I called Emur out on a different bogus vote ( read non-thought vote) earlier.. i'll look it up after this post.

Emurlahn, on 24 October 2009 - 09:50 PM, said:

So I can't ask you a question, D'riss? There a weekend break no need to rush a lynch.

But if you're not wanting to talk.

Vote Omtose

For acting squirmy on first day, with only a couple of posts agaiinst him.

Here is one of the main points of Ruse's case and I think it bears repeating and will bring to light something i'll bring up in a sec. Keep in mind, at this point in the voting it's Omtose or Eloth. everyone is discussing one side or the other. Then he comes up with this vote.

Emurlahn, on 26 October 2009 - 01:53 PM, said:

I did think Olar could be the other cullen but he could be another faction member trying to act as such as an attempt to throw people off him, we are going the cullens aren't a threat they lost two of their guys. If that the case the true Cullen wouldn't be so obvious hoping that later in the game he might improve his side situation.

If Olar isn't cullen, then what is he?

Town, Werewolves, and evil vampires benefit from destruction of cullens, so I don't think he is one of them.

Coven have killed all the cullens they need to kill, so if Olar is coven he may try to appear as the last cullen in a play to delay the other teams make them waste kills.

Remove Vote
Vote Olar Ethil

This is the post after his vote ( or very near too). I think he is doing exactly what he just accused someone else toof doing. He said that by examining Eloth's posts we should be able to decide who the doctor is. and that there was a possible signal, through voting. after everyone was debating the Omtose/eloth thing he busts the Olar vote. Signaling to his WW recruiter? or maybe his killing partner?The doctor is only a threat to non town members.

Emurlahn, on 26 October 2009 - 02:11 PM, said:

Which means that your voting actions give away who you suspect the doctor is? And about you being scum, you could be a scum finder, guard or something else apart from killer and this is an attempt by you to signal to your killer on a possible target.

Here Telas calls his BS. Not sure why Telas didn't follow up on this, but if we do get an Emur lynch and he comes back WW or Killer then I think I would put Telas in a PI category, though possibly turned since then. Telas Makes the point that Emur is basically regurgitating info. and it seems to be the case. It's a popular scum tactic.

Telas, on 26 October 2009 - 03:36 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 24 October 2009 - 07:43 PM, said:

D, on 24 October 2009 - 01:14 PM, said:

there doesnt seem to be a case against telas, so i am unsure why kessobahn is suddenly voting for him. also i have to question eloth's vote simply because it comes off the back of people suggesting a link between omtose and him. The vote seems more self serving than decisive but i havent had a chance to look over the early stuff where this supposed link between the two was established to comment. Or perhaps i missed it on my skim read. The only thing i did pick up was a very panicked response to questions by omtose and a possible connection between olar and galain.

vote omtose

Right can D'riss explains this post, he talks about the only thing he picked up was OMtose behaviour and a possible connection between Olar and galain. But just in that post he also mentioned Kessobahn has put a vote on Telas which he doesn't understand, and he thinks that Eloth vote is self serving (is he suggesting that Eloth is distancing himself from some views that him and Omtose are linked).

So can he explain out of the four players still alive that he mentioned why Omtose was the one he voted for or is he jumping on the train.

Cause if you think that olar and galain are linked, why not vote for Olar?

Emurlahn, on 24 October 2009 - 08:29 PM, said:

Quote

Victory Conditions:

Town - Eliminate the Cullens, Queleti and all Killers.

Cullens - Eliminate the Evil Vampires, the Coven and all original members of the Queleti

Queleti - Eliminate the Town, and all original members of the Cullens

Evil Vampires - Kill the Cullens, Werewolves, Coven and Bella Swan

Coven - Kill Edward Cullen, Carlisle Cullen, Jacob Black, Billy Black, Charlie Swan, Bella Swan and Renesmee Swan.

Well the coven won't benefit from your death Olar if you are a cullen. And they seem to be in the lead with only 3 targets left.

Destruction of the cullens would benefit town, evil vampires and the queleti. It allows the other teams that are still in play to catch up with the coven.

But I don't think your a Cullen.

This is a bad argument. If we think Olar is Cullen, then he should NOTbe voted for. Yes, it doesn't help the Coven and it helps all otherfactions, BUT it does give the Coven a free day to do whatever they do.Plus, you have no real guarantee that Olar is actually Cullen and couldjust be wasting your time. And then you suddenly think he's not a Cullen? Weird.

Emurlahn, on 24 October 2009 - 09:50 PM, said:

So I can't ask you a question, D'riss? There a weekend break no need to rush a lynch.

But if you're not wanting to talk.

Vote Omtose

For acting squirmy on first day, with only a couple of posts agaiinst him.

Worst vote I've read so far. You don't want to rush a lynch but you are happily helping it along because some other guy hasn't responded to you.

Eloth, on 26 October 2009 - 12:09 PM, said:

*SNIP*

I assume that means that we have to eliminate the killers from evil vampires and coven but can leave the non-killing roles ('symps') or whatever else they have, alive, where the Cullens needed those dead, too. We need to get rid of all Cullens and Qs (I assume that means including recruits) whereas for the Cullens it was only the original wolves.

Had Galain been a Queleti or Coven, I wouldn't have used this kind of reasoning, nor if he was an evil vamp while Bella was alive, due to the chance he was gunning for a townie.

An additional (unlikely but still possible) support for Galain's choice: from wiki, I conclude that Carlisle was a doctor. If that translates to game mechanics, it could be Galain was a doctor, which is like a passive find. What if Omtose was wounded, went to see a doc, and ended up on Galain's surgery table?

Suppose we lynched Omtose, and suppose he'd come up as anything but town, that would be doubly advantageous for Galain: someone lynched who may be on his list, and since we lynch scum, we'd trust his instincts without wondering overly much where he got his info from, at least for a day or 2.

Mind you, all of the above is circumstantial. All of the above is farfetched and based on ifs and assumptions. I'm willing to take the gamble. We know one thing, and that is that Omtose overreacted to two votes. You can do a few things to having a few votes on you; defend comprehensively or laugh them off. He did neither, but reacted as if stung.

Wow, thanks for again resummarizing what I already wrote about possible town goals and Carlisle's possible role. Next time, maybe you should add a copyright symbol because I think this is the second time you've tried to rip off what I already wrote.

However, your logic is badly flawed. How on earth would Omtose be wounded on Day 1? And why are you confusing Galain (Edward) with Barghast (Carlisle)? I am HEAVILY tempted to vote you for the absolute BS of this logic. It reads to me like someone concocting a story and mixing up their facts.

And I could easily conclude you are trying to fake symp me with the plagarism.

Here as Ruse points out, its a foregone conclusion that Eloth is dead,, we in fact went 2 votes over the lynch number. He had nothing to lose by doing this.

Emurlahn, on 26 October 2009 - 04:00 PM, said:

Remove Vote
Vote Eloth

For obvious reasons that Eloth has given us.

I think Emur is a Werewolf, or a Killer Vamp. From his wishy waashy play style, to his train jumping, I just can't se it as Town play. I am very very confidant in this one

vote Emur

This post has been edited by Mockra: 28 October 2009 - 06:32 PM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Book 5: Midnight Sun. 30 hours, 29 minutes remaining.

13 players alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Hood's Path,Kaschan,Kessobahn, Korvalain, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Ruse,Silanah,Telas

7 votes to lynch. 7 to go to night.

1 vote Emurlahn (Mockra)


Not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Hood's Path,Kaschan,Kessobahn, Korvalain, Meanas, Olar Ethil, Ruse,Silanah,Telas

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 28 October 2009 - 06:32 PM

[Telas]

This is kind of stream of consciousness, but in reviewing Kesso's posting, I found this:

Omtose, on 22 October 2009 - 01:06 PM, said:

*SNIP - quote response to confirmed scum Eloth *


I nver said they can ONLY recruit (more strawmanning.)
Ijust said that if they both can recruit...then its most likleythat they can only recruit certain people making it harder for them totake over the game, making the game more balanced.

I could easily see you being on omtose team...blatant sympage is blatant

edit - quote tags

Kesso called Omtose out for this and of course he gave "oops I mixed up alts" excuse, but it could add credibility to the idea that Omtose was really in a team other than town (specifically, Coven).

Still doing my Kesso review.

[Mockra]

Here is the post I called him on his vote. I realize this post doesn't paint me in the best light, as I was advocating a hold on the Omtose lynch... but given the info I had at the time I would make the same post again... but thats neither here nor there and it still hasn't been totally determined what faction Omtose was in. ( i actually think Coven... which implicates me more , but whatever). I still stand by the fact that not all these train starters are inno's for the town. 5 votes with an insane amount of time 20+ hours left in the day. I still think Meanas and Emur are the most suspicious. Meanas less so as the days have gone on.

Emur pulled his vote like 15 min after his L-4 vote in a very Waffle/wishy washy post. I have to run to a meeting now but will try to post it when I get back.

Mockra, on 27 October 2009 - 04:00 PM, said:

Wow people- talk about gun jumping. 36 hour days and we have him at L4 12 hours in... I am also skeptical of Omtose's reveal, but lets look at this logically. He is a deadman. Why are we wasting our lynch, one of our most powerful tools we have in a hugely scum filled game. If Omtose is telling the truth he is a deadman tonight. He has to be. There is no way scum will let a CI that can verify bar contents walk around. I suppose they could to create confusion... but he is also able to give more info to town as the night/s go on. Thats a good thing for us as we basically start off with dick for information.

If Omtose is alive tomorrow... I think we should definately lynch him... but why not make the Killers waste a kill on him tonight? Why not get more information from our lynch today? If we lynch him today, and he is telling the truth we gain nothing. the killers/recruiters get a free night and we start back over tomorrow with our day 1 drama all gone and nothing to go on.

I think we should look at the votes that raced to L4 on Omtose before the 12 hour mark today. I can almost gaurantee (sp?) that there is scum on that train. Here it is.

Olar Ethil, on 27 October 2009 - 02:44 AM, said:

All right.. To Omtose's reveal.

It's convenient isn't it that Omtose's reveal is completely unprovable? He's claiming that he's designed to ruin scum attacks on him. So his reveal wont draw scum actions. Furthermore, as his role is completely passive he can't do anything to prove it himself. And then he claims that his playing so far has been a calculated play to draw night actions? That is absurd, he's overreaction day 1 made him a prime lynch candidate. No way would he be targeted by a scum night action after that. And why would he flip like he did if he had a role like he claims?

In essence, Omtose's reveal is so perfect for his situation it could be tailored. In fact, I am quite confident it is just that.

In my experience, a role reveal that is perfectly tailored to the situation at hand is pretty much always a fake reveal.

Vote Omtose

I think this is the most well thought out vote on the train, and honestly I have similar feelings... just don't agree that an Omtose vote is the best thing. Its also the first vote and in my experience, though it has happened, remembers the dibs/liosan killer game.

Meanas, on 27 October 2009 - 03:03 AM, said:

I think I made it clear over the night what I thought of Omtose's reveal, and since I have no reason not to I guess I shall also

vote Omtose

Can't guarantee he's an evil vamp, though I'm heavily leaning towards that conclusion, but his reveal still stinks.

This vote stinks. You can't guarantee he's an evil vamp?? Why are you starting a train so early in the day then? To give the killers and recruiters more time? We are given 36 hours.. its one of the most powerful tools we have along with a lynch. The more we talk, the more we can find scum in their lies. Also the "I guess i'll vote for Omtose" just stinks to high heaven. I play a lot of Poker and a classic tried and true rule is "weak when strong, strong when weak" That my friend is a very weak vote and it makes me wonder how strong you really are.

Telas, on 27 October 2009 - 04:29 AM, said:

Consider me similarly dubious as to the reveal's legitimacy, as I went on earlier.

Vote Omtose

Adds nothing, takes the easy road, there is so little thought put into this vote that I can't find much to comment on. Seems like a lazy vote. Without going back and looking at more of Telas' posts I can't really put this vote into context. Anyone else have a read on him?

Alkend, on 27 October 2009 - 12:01 PM, said:

I have grave doubts about your reveal Omtose, and you seem to be backtracking on the whole recruiting/killing idea, since people have pointed out how your original claim may have made you unkillable. Now you are claiming you did hold back on more information on your powers. It just seems so convenient all the issues we have raised are now being covered by your new claims.

Because of this, I feel you may have fake revealed, and are actually scum.

So Vote Omtose

This vote in itself is seems rational, but I think in my reread there were some posts that Omtose pointed out that really make it look like Alk isn't playing for the Town. I'm mid post so I can't really go back to look now. It's what I will do after I post this Novel.

Emurlahn, on 27 October 2009 - 01:45 PM, said:

Gods, I do suspect some of the votes on you Omtose, but your cf will either corroborate what you said or reveal that you been bullshitting us. If your town the amount that you have revealed has compromised you, scum won't go after you you now knowing that you could be a threat. But people will be a bit suspect as it could be one of the better fake reveals that I've seen in a while.

Vote Omtose

This vote confuses me. He suspects some of the votes.. but votes Omtose anyway? with 24 hours left you put him at L4? What has he revealed that compromises him? Imo scum HAS to go after him. He is like a walking Finder -1. (not quite as good as one but still gives good info) Why do the scum work for them? This vote doesn't sit right with me.


I am not 100% on the Omtose reveal, but I am tending to agree with it. If he is alive tomorrow, I think we need to consider lynching him BUT if we do that not only do we get the validity of his CF, we also get another night of finding out who was/wasn't in the bar and if he comes up inno we have a whole slew of trains on him to look at in a different light. I am not going to vote Omtose today. Of the 5 on his train Meanas, Emur and Telas stand out most to me. I think one of those 3 is probable bad vamp or wolf.

[Emurlahn]

Mockra, there five different factions, I'm town but I'm trying to go with the best lynch for town. Ok it meant me jumping a bit more than I like.

[Telas]

Kesso is making a remark about Omtose's response to Galain's 'case' here... this could potentially be a signal comment:

Kessobahn, on 22 October 2009 - 12:02 PM, said:

Sounds like something a SCUM would say to me!

But seriously I have no idea at this stage.

Here's where he responds to Omtose's "slip up" which probably means he's not on Omtose's team... which would again be supported if Omtose was Coven and Kesso was not (and that must be the case as Coven is now destroyed):

Kessobahn, on 22 October 2009 - 01:12 PM, said:

Yes, you can easily see that he's (possibly) on Team YOURSELF, since you're talking with him. And YOURSELF. Very suspicious.

Here he hops on the Barghast train, admitting to just following the crowd. If the Cullens knew each other this could just be a vote to gain distance, but I kind of doubt it. Can't give too much of a ding for this vote either because Barghast was going to get anyway.

Kessobahn, on 22 October 2009 - 09:38 PM, said:

Then again all out paranoia is both the best and worst way to play anyway.

Asfor the posts so far, not many jump out as incredibly dubious just yetbut band wagon jumping is my favorite kind of wagon jumping, so,

vote Barghast

OK, this one could be potentially huge. It's two posts, the first is from Tellan responding to Eloth and then Kesso responding to Eloth. Kesso adds an extra piece to his response where he responds to Tellan's post about 'another Mentalist.' This is, of course, huge, because Tellan WAS Mentalist, and Kesso said that he hoped Mentalist wouldn't get murdered horribly... wow.

Tellan, on 22 October 2009 - 09:57 PM, said:

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 09:55 PM, said:

Oh god no, another coin toss lover...

tel me about it, last thing we need is another mentalist

Kessobahn, on 22 October 2009 - 10:08 PM, said:

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 09:55 PM, said:

Oh god no, another coin toss lover...

I'd say that was fairly accurate, but I'd rather just ask you to get out of my head.

@Tellan:Whoever this Mentalist guy is sounds like an awesome fellow of manytalents. I sure hope he doesn't get murdered horribly!

Here he adds his 2 cents and jumps in the middle of the Galain lynch. Again, hard to fault him for this because it was building fast and Galain had no real defense. It's also the source of Korv's mistaken-yet-still-a-good-outcome symp case. Kesso also hasn't really offered ANYTHING of content yet so kind of odd for him to call players out (Kesso actually has less posts than Serc right now, too)

Kessobahn, on 23 October 2009 - 11:29 AM, said:

Istill think it might have been just a bit more planned out than youguys are supposing, but hey! A Cullen is dead. Possibly from suicide.Troop the colors and all that.

I want to see the more inactiveplayers - like, for example and for no particular reason, Serc - postmore, otherwise we'll be attempting to lynch Galain and possibly Omtosepurely because they're not only talking, but practically squirmingunder the spotlight. And on that note

vote Galain

This is the start of an exchange between Kesso and myself where I indicated he said something that reminded me of something scum said in the previous game and he casually deflect the criticism. I never even made a case out of it, but he accused me of trying to get people to look at him while I was gone. It culminated in him later voting me. Finally, it accounts for 9 of his 35 total posts.

Kessobahn, on 23 October 2009 - 11:07 PM, said:

Heh,and that's kind of a 'LOOK AT HIM HE'S SCUM' thing to say, but Iforgive you. And which part is the odd bit, Telas? The bit where Isuggest Olar calms down, or the bit where I say reading too much intothings people say while they're jumping on a lynch victim probablywon't reveal anything too useful when I look like I've been piling onthe early votes?

Kessobahn, on 23 October 2009 - 11:54 PM, said:

Quite.

vote Telas

Have fun.

His first post of any real content, he votes Eloth for Eloth's errant play. I think he was missing the whole weekend, too, hence the 3 day lapse in post time. To his credit, Eloth was not town, but since we know Eloth was an evil sparkle, we have to probably rule out that faction for Kesso.

Kessobahn, on 26 October 2009 - 02:47 PM, said:

Backfrom my partial reread and man, has stuff happened. Glad I pausedpartway (incidentally Telas I'm pretty sure I was somewhat wrong now,good lesson about jumping to conclusions, dick move with the comparisonthough) to see the new posts.

On Eloth trying to out the doctor,to have visited the doc he had to have to been wounded, and after thefuss he's making over Omtose? I think he tried to recruit him at thebar, was wounded by his ability, and is now trying to get him lynchedsince he won't join his scum faction.

remove vote
vote Eloth

Bad tactics even if you are town. Which you almost certainly aren't.

Here he agrees with Serc (confirmed scum)'s speculation about Omtose not being as NA immune as we had originally assumed he indicated. No real tie can be drawn from this statement to Serc, and he's pretty neutral in his assessment of the Cullens and Queleti.

Kessobahn, on 26 October 2009 - 07:48 PM, said:

Serc, on 26 October 2009 - 07:14 PM, said:

bybitten/seduced i took that to mean if they try to recruit him theyll bewounded but a kill would work as neither would have to bite him due tohaving super strength (i assume unless Twilights butchered that as wellpublic/style_emoticons/darkset/o.gif )

This.Also, the only factions that need to kill only the original werewolvesare the Cullens, and assuming Jacob and Billy are the only two, theCoven. I believe Omtose's reveal, mostly because it fits in with theoverall tone of the game, and partly because it still leaves him opento vig kills, night kills and lynches. Presumably they run him overwith a coach instead of biting him.

I find this logic a bit of a stretch. Why would all scum gets get a recruitment power? Still, since I have ruled out Evil Vampires and Coven for Kesso, I don't really see this statement as distance from his own faction. It could be a statement to add suspicion to those two factions, especially if Kesso is in a faction that can recruit.

Kessobahn, on 27 October 2009 - 01:40 AM, said:

Thatwould be a crazy coincidence, and also not likely considering that ifall the scum teams have killers, why haven't there been more deathsevery night? Unless they've been recruiting people before going for thekills, of course.

....Continuing this as I finish the last set of posts....

[Telas]

I'm not sure I see the logic here... Omtose gets a vote for over-revealing? Note the somewhat ambiguous attempt to set up Olar Ethil for the next day.

Kessobahn, on 27 October 2009 - 03:55 PM, said:

I'm not sure why there's so much confusion, deliberate or otherwise, about Omtose's claim.

Quote

Me being a Bisexual zombie i hang out at bar every night lookng for some poon.
If i get seduced and bitten by either a Wolf or vamp they become wounded as my flesh is poison to them.

The word 'seduced' is the key there, I doubt either side performs night kills by getting its freak on.


I think Omtose's reveal was real, but since he's started giving information we may not have a choice in lynching him. If he's really a bi-sexual zombie and in the town faction then he'd have mentioned that clearly, if he's his own group then he'll probably be nightkilled or lynched with little loss to any faction, and we can decide which scum team Olar's on. If he's scum then it'll be good to have him dead, it'll put Olar somewhat in the clear but fuck me over completely with the lying about the info. Unless he has this bar ability and is scum at the same time, which would be crazy.

vote Omtose

Again, Kesso makes the vote on OE after DKT's modkill. He then later defends the vote saying his mind was made up (not normally a scummy thing unless you're sure the guy isn't on your team).

Kessobahn, on 27 October 2009 - 04:33 PM, said:

Wow. Silly dkt.

vote Olar Ethil

Kessobahn, on 27 October 2009 - 05:12 PM, said:

Tobe frank, I was going to vote for Olar if Omtose was a zombieregardless. I didn't trust him before, and I trust him even less now.The silly dkt was just that, calling dkt silly for how he was playing.It has no bearing on what I voted. If Omtose was an unaligned, then hisVC could be joining the town, since he couldn't join the scum factions,so there's a good chance he was at least working with us rather thanagainst.

And what was with that day action?

Here he talks about recruitment again from that day scene. The POV character is Sue Clearwater, probable town, and the son is Seth Clearwater, who is a viable candidate for a werewolf if he's in this game.

Kessobahn, on 27 October 2009 - 05:20 PM, said:

Something else the scene mentions is the POV character's missing son. Confirmation of someone's recruitment?

Alsothat last post of mine should have read 'Since Omtose is an unaligned',not 'If'. Had to recheck the rules for word replacement but I can'tclaim to have mispelt Since so badly.

The Serc case surfaces and Kesso responds. Serc DOES have an easy to type name, and we should again clear Kesso of true-symping Serc, but not fake-symping. I also don't know if Serc had the lowest posts at the time of the originally quoted comment, but he certainly has more in death that Kesso does now.

Kessobahn, on 27 October 2009 - 07:30 PM, said:

Ipersonally picked Serc for the low-posting example for three reasons: Ihad forgotten Kaschan was actually playing, I've been rereading ROTCGand it comes up in there fairly early on, and it's the least effort totype. It's a total coincidence (unless Alkend picked it on purpose, ofcourse) but I'd like to see Serc's reaction to it before I considerchanging my vote.

Again, part of the foundation. Disappears for over 12 hours and leaves it to everyone else to determine it. This is partially strange because he was so hellbent on the Olar lynch earlier, and he's actually been a part of every lynch up to this point (Barghast, Galain, Eloth).

Kessobahn, on 27 October 2009 - 11:51 PM, said:

I'mgoing to be gone for about 12-13 hours, so I'm just going to take myvote off Olar and see how things have worked out when I return.

remove vote

He returns when he said, about 14 hours later, and mentions Seth Clearwater again... isn't there a somewhat informal rule that if you mention a role a lot you are probably that role?

Kessobahn, on 28 October 2009 - 01:43 PM, said:

Stuffhas happened, I see. I thought midway through catching up that'foreigner' was a catch-all term for 'character from abroad' and thatOmtose might actually have been a member of one of the factionsalready, but then he was labelled a tourist so that was out. Only oneCoven member? Then if the game began with one Coven member, threeCullens, 2+ Evil Vampires, 2-3 werewolves, Bella, and Felicity, thatmeans around eight Town. Less town now, depending on whether SethClearwater from PS's day action description has been recruited by afaction or if it was just a piece of flavor text, and any otherpossible recruitment.

And that is the last post in the read through.

[Telas]

While I mull that over, I also want to say that after I was read over the posts, I've decided I'm going to put Korv down as PI. He's been the most town-sounding voice all game whenever I've read his comments around the ones I researched.

OK I see an Emur case from Mockra, mostly an enhancement of Ruse's case from yesterday.

[Mockra]

Telas, on 28 October 2009 - 06:26 PM, said:

*snip*

Alkend is now dead, kind of surprisingly. He was Billy Black and supposedly a member of the town, but I wouldn't be that surprised if that was a masked CF. However, that theory has some of its own problems. If Billy is really a member of the Queleti, then he could have potentially exposed himself as a member of another faction if Serc came back as a member of the scum. So it stands to reason that it's MORE likely that he was town... but it's also not hard to imagine him just rolling the dice and trying to pin the CF on someone other than himself if it came back as a scum faction, if he was really a Queleti. This would add credibility to the idea that Alkend may have tried to fake-symp Serc, maybe seeing the same thing that Korv did w/ Kesso's quote earlier in the game. In any event, he's now dead.

*snip*

Not commenting on your case yet, but this caught my eye. Billy was in the Coven Hit List. Everyone assumed that he was a werewolf until that CF by PS. It's possible that he CF'd town because he was in human form? Like a Phony CF as part of his role? not saying its true, but that would be sweet if it was

[Telas]

Yeah I already suggested that, Mockra. According to the wiki pages... Billy is not a werewolf at all. He comes from a line of them but he himself is not one.

[Kessobahn]

Wow, half of that was based on jokes I made and the overreaction I had to your comment. The other is from timing, time actually spent here, and thinking about how many people could be left for the factions.

The Olar vote removal is because I don't like leaving votes on people when I'm not there for the conclusion, especially if I've been reconsidering it. The information thing was whether or not Omtose was trustworthy, he could provide any more information before he was nightkilled and whether we could prove his info correct or not. Probably another mistake, I suppose.

As for your last post, perhaps he's a werewolf faction member but not a killer/recruiter (OH NO I SAID THE 'R' WORD AGAIN)?

[Kaschan]

As I said yesterday, I am most suspicious of Emurlahn. I note that he has yet to seriously try to defend himself, presumably because he doesn't want to be seen to be over-reacting. Well now is the time when he's got to make a more substantial stand.

Vote Emurlahn

[Telas]

Well you've managed to conveniently show up, Kesso. And I know that just because you are fixated on a particular potential action doesn't mean you actually can do that action, but I'm just not that sold on your lackluster help for a few days.

[Emurlahn]

What Kaschan you want all the info I have?

[Mockra]

Telas, on 28 October 2009 - 07:31 PM, said:

While I mull that over, I also want to say that after I was read over the posts, I've decided I'm going to put Korv down as PI. He's been the most town-sounding voice all game whenever I've read his comments around the ones I researched.

OK I see an Emur case from Mockra, mostly an enhancement of Ruse's case from yesterday.

I agree to a point, and was why I was willing to lend my vote to him Yesterday. But PIing him in a game with a possible recruitment mechanic is asking for trouble. See the Ghostbusters game except in that game a faction switch was a secret mechanic :grumbles:

[Kaschan]

Emurlahn, on 28 October 2009 - 07:57 PM, said:

What Kaschan you want all the info I have?

Well, if you have useful information you'd like to share, feel free. That's not what I'm saying, though. Up to this point all you've really given in response to the cases against you are a few one liners. It's like you're deliberately ignoring them in the hope that they will go away. But today I want to hear something other than "nice case, but it's not true."

[Emurlahn]

The info I have, is that there is a town doctor and no it is not I. The scene yesterday was an attempted kill on the mayor yesterday, I don't know who launched the attack but he was wounded in the attempt. So it was the different killer who killed alkend. The teeth mark suggest to me that it was the werewolf killer, cause I don't think a werewolf would use a katana. So if I'm correct the killer who attempted to kill the mayor will rather want to lynch him today.

The cf we get is based on certain town players being alive. So Town hasn't lost the crucial roles yet.

I'm trying to figure out with the limited info that I do have and the cases from the people I do, to figure out who the threats to town are.

Today is the best day town has one of the killers is wounded and will not be up to strength until the end of this day.

I possibly think that Mockra may be the one who attacked the mayor.

That is all the info I have over the last couple of days.

Now Olar claims he knows the doctor, in how many games have two people known the doctor? In my experience most likely one other person knows the doctor.

[D'riss]

olar isnt just now claiming he knows the doctor. I find it hard to believe so many people have info about the doctor, and given that tapper indicated info as well i dont get hwy people thing it automatically makes you town. Considering it was tapper who claimed there was a code and he broke it, and he was scum every reveal which indicates knowledge of the doctor, should in my opinion be taken with a grain of salt.