[Alkend]

Korvalain, on 13 October 2009 - 06:41 PM, said:

*SNIP*
Good question, but as I tried to point out and as Thyrllan agrees, there are so many inconsistencies that he probably lied. I think you'll agree with me that innos just should not lie - it makes them scummy.

It's a fair point, but if I ask you if you're roled inno, roleless inno, or scum, what are you going to tell me? You're going to say RI, even if you are not, simply because it does not benefit your team (whichever that may be) to reveal the truth.

I don't think his reveal is as much of a lie as it is just a bad reveal.

As Dr. House says, "Everybody lies."

[Korvalain]

Alkend, on 13 October 2009 - 06:44 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 13 October 2009 - 06:41 PM, said:

*SNIP*
Good question, but as I tried to point out and as Thyrllan agrees, there are so many inconsistencies that he probably lied. I think you'll agree with me that innos just should not lie - it makes them scummy.

It's a fair point, but if I ask you if you're roled inno, roleless inno, or scum, what are you going to tell me? You're going to say RI, even if you are not, simply because it does not benefit your team (whichever that may be) to reveal the truth.

I don't think his reveal is as much of a lie as it is just a bad reveal.

As Dr. House says, "Everybody lies."

There was no pressure for him to even reveal the lover connection if he was Kalses lover, he could have dived under, and as roled inno, that would have been my choice. There was already a case on Tennes, he made a second one, nothing bad about that. Instead, he chose to blame people for lynching Kalse, and then came forward with the lover reveal. There was no pressure on him at all to give that info to the thread at that point.

[Thyrllan]

Korvalain, on 13 October 2009 - 06:43 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 13 October 2009 - 06:40 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 13 October 2009 - 06:37 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 13 October 2009 - 06:32 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 13 October 2009 - 06:23 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 13 October 2009 - 06:14 PM, said:

@Ampelas - what are your thoughts in regards to the information brought forth by Karosis and Tennes?

I'm slightly confused by the fact that they seem to be implying similar roles. But their information does add up, as far as I can tell, so I think we can be reasonably confident that the information is genuine in one way or another. It does throw the pair of them into scum crosshairs...but I can accept the reasoning that it's better for the group to have the information than to languish in ignorance. Plus, the Klingons are only killing every other night, it seems, (caveat: could still be a healer, BPs or something like that) which reduces the risks to themselves quite considerably. I'm pretty certain at least one of them is genuine, if not both.

So maybe...

Well, I've got confirmation at least of some things, unless you willfully lie about some things but that seems rather doubtful. No, this post rather makes me less worried about you being innocent. The case against you was not really being the hammer but rather being very very agreeable with pretty much anyone. It's making my gut twitch, and with this post, well I am quite confident that you're scum now.

vote Ampelas

This is not saying Atrahal isn't scum. His reveal seems pretty thin, but I am pretty certain that Ampelas is scum whereas for atrahal I can only say he most likely lied about his reveal. Furthermore, Atrahal seemed to gain votes only following the pressure on Ampelas which is telling.

While I am not going to question your gut and think you could well be right, the fact is also that I only came online when there were already a few votes (Alkend, Atrahal and Karosis) on Ampelas, so the pressure was already on
No matter which lynch goes through, I think we'll have a significantly different train from the previous two, which can only be good.

that's my point. Atrahal only became a popular lynch option after Ameplas started getting votes.

Sooooo, only one case a day is what you propose? Or only one train? That's like putting blinders on. Moreover, Atrahal's vote is suspect as, as I pointed out, his reveal was full of weird stuff. You could count that one as a diversion.

EDIT: also, basically you are saying that whoever comes first with the case should be served. Awesome.

Obviously if my only reason for voting Ampelas was the votes then yes, you'd be right. But as i've stated quite clearly, and which should be obvious considering how I structured the post, the vote train as a factor was more of an afterthought. It's by no means a main reason for voting Ampelas but certainly should be considered a factor.

[Tennes]

Alkend, on 13 October 2009 - 06:34 PM, said:

OK well here's my next question then, and I'll start with a statement...

Atrahal is kind of a bonehead. His reveal was bad and poorly timed and seems riddled with potential get-around-the-rules holes.

But does anyone actually think he's going to CF scum? If he's inno, he basically put a target on his back that said, "Kill me" last night and the scum clearly didn't see it or are trying to use the crap reveal to get him to take a fall for it.

Alternatively, if he's scum, he put a target on his FRONT if he doesn't die tonight, although now that we're getting these silly borderline reveals, Atrahal has a much better chance of getting away with it if he really did make that gamble because someone like Tennes or Karosis seems more likely to get offed. But the only scenario that would have made sense would have been if Tennes AND Atrahal are both scum and engineered some back-to-back fake reveals... but if none of them die tonight, then it seems like a simple set of lynches to take them out.

Point is, the Atrahal-is-scum tactic just doesn't add up to me. If he's scum, why make a wave when he wasn't even on any radar?

But I'll vote him if it means lynch or no lynch.

...

Kalse wasn't Kirk.

Vote Atrahal

ETA: te reason I quoted you here is to say, because Kalse isn't Kirk I think Atrahal is scum

This post has been edited by Tennes: 13 October 2009 - 06:49 PM

[Kaschan]

I will be here till Lynch time. And if it means getting a Lynch I will switch.

@ Thyr Though Amp didn't start getting votes till lynch time, he was a suspect yesterday. and many peolpe had claimed skepticism over Anth's reveal as early as last night. I am going to go back and check who the non- Kalse lynch target was yesterday.

[Korvalain]

@ Tennes: talk about dropping a bomb on the thread.

[Korvalain]

Kaschan, on 13 October 2009 - 06:50 PM, said:

I will be here till Lynch time. And if it means getting a Lynch I will switch.

@ Thyr Though Amp didn't start getting votes till lynch time, he was a suspect yesterday. and many peolpe had claimed skepticism over Anth's reveal as early as last night. I am going to go back and check who the non- Kalse lynch target was yesterday.

Tennes.

[Kaschan]

X-post with Tennes ...wowza. well I am still happy with my vote then

[Tennes]

Ya, I totally didn't see that when I caught up. I saw lover and thought, oh that's interesting. He's probably the yeoman. Then I read the case and went

Edited because new site's smileys are fail

This post has been edited by Tennes: 13 October 2009 - 06:56 PM

[Kaschan]

So the question is... why didn't Kirk counter? Self preservation? If you wouldn't have made that discovery... would he have let us lynch Amp? is amp scum as well so he really didn't care?

[Korvalain]

Kaschan, on 13 October 2009 - 06:57 PM, said:

So the question is... why didn't Kirk counter? Self preservation? If you wouldn't have made that discovery... would he have let us lynch Amp? is amp scum as well so he really didn't care?

Depends on how awesome Kirk is, I'd say, and how alive he is. We have 2 on a mod-kill timer and a couple of dead. Since according to Karosis he was a vig in the last edition, he could also have let us lynch Amp and then vig one of the people driving the lynch. Cold-hearted, but it would allow him to play on.

[Tennes]

Well, I'd expect Kirk to be something of a predator role. I mean, he's the goddam captain of the goddam USS Enterprise! He's like, Jesus 2.0 or something. He could alternatively be a finder. I don't know who the real Kirk is, Kalse and I were aware of each other's existence. It was in fact logical that a yeoman would be able to bond with him, hence my passive reaction toward the original Atrahal reveal. But Kirk could be either Tellan or Karosis, or one of the lurkers and so isn't drawing attention to himself.

[Thyrllan]

Tennes, on 13 October 2009 - 07:05 PM, said:

Well, I'd expect Kirk to be something of a predator role. I mean, he's the goddam captain of the goddam USS Enterprise! He's like, Jesus 2.0 or something. He could alternatively be a finder. I don't know who the real Kirk is, Kalse and I were aware of each other's existence. It was in fact logical that a yeoman would be able to bond with him, hence my passive reaction toward the original Atrahal reveal. But Kirk could be either Tellan or Karosis, or one of the lurkers and so isn't drawing attention to himself.

you need to start shutting up

[Path-Shaper]

A flash of light "Mon Captianne" said the being. Looking around he realised his mistake.

"Wrong era, these forums are forever bending space time." seeing a yeoman looking at his strange clothing.

"Well well, if you have time to stare, maybe we can go sightseeing ." With a click of the fingers both the being and Korbas disappeared from the Starship enterprise.

Korbas has been modkilled

He was a member of the crew.

11 players left

[Tennes]

Thyrllan, on 13 October 2009 - 07:06 PM, said:

Tennes, on 13 October 2009 - 07:05 PM, said:

Well, I'd expect Kirk to be something of a predator role. I mean, he's the goddam captain of the goddam USS Enterprise! He's like, Jesus 2.0 or something. He could alternatively be a finder. I don't know who the real Kirk is, Kalse and I were aware of each other's existence. It was in fact logical that a yeoman would be able to bond with him, hence my passive reaction toward the original Atrahal reveal. But Kirk could be either Tellan or Karosis, or one of the lurkers and so isn't drawing attention to himself.

you need to start shutting up

Oh. Sorry. I'm just getting my thoughts out, sometimes its hard to stop typing.

[Korvalain]

Tennes, on 13 October 2009 - 07:05 PM, said:

Well, I'd expect Kirk to be something of a predator role. I mean, he's the goddam captain of the goddam USS Enterprise! He's like, Jesus 2.0 or something. He could alternatively be a finder. I don't know who the real Kirk is, Kalse and I were aware of each other's existence. It was in fact logical that a yeoman would be able to bond with him, hence my passive reaction toward the original Atrahal reveal. But Kirk could be either Tellan or Karosis, or one of the lurkers and so isn't drawing attention to himself.

Now that last sentence isn't exactly smart, I'd say.

[Korvalain]

Thyrllan, on 13 October 2009 - 07:06 PM, said:

Tennes, on 13 October 2009 - 07:05 PM, said:

Well, I'd expect Kirk to be something of a predator role. I mean, he's the goddam captain of the goddam USS Enterprise! He's like, Jesus 2.0 or something. He could alternatively be a finder. I don't know who the real Kirk is, Kalse and I were aware of each other's existence. It was in fact logical that a yeoman would be able to bond with him, hence my passive reaction toward the original Atrahal reveal. But Kirk could be either Tellan or Karosis, or one of the lurkers and so isn't drawing attention to himself.

you need to start shutting up

So, Thyrllan, what are your reactions to what happened regarding Kalse definately NOT being Kirk? How do you think that reflects on Atrahal, or your position on Amp?

[Korvalain]

definately not is of course only if you believe Tennes.

[Thyrllan]

So Atrahal lied about the kirk thing though. That's just.. absurdly stupid? I mean, there are so many ways of disapproving such a claim I can only see two reasons for Atrahal doing it. 1) He believed that Kalse was Kirk for some reason, 2) he wanted to draw kirk out.

I'd say 2 seems more likely by far, but that would make Atrahal a symp rather than a full fledged killer i'd think. Yet, as we've seemingly not hit any scum to date, a symp is better than nothing. Still, I am quite certain of Ampelas. He is scum and I worry he is far more important for the scum faction than Atrahal who pretty much forfeited his life with that reveal of his.

Still, I'll switch if that's the way things go. Scum a or scum b, we at least prevent them from getting a majority quite as soon

[Alkend]

OK now I'm really confused.

You're saying Kalse and you were aware of each other and you know he wasn't Kirk? That definitely puts Atrahal into the scum-making-a-weird-gamble column then.

Also, bye Korbas.