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#2381 User is offline   worry 

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 03:24 AM

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 12:00 PM

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Posted 26 February 2019 - 11:41 AM

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Posted 09 March 2019 - 12:29 AM

Hey all, new to this forum. Im a member of a Wheel of Time forum and a Cosmere forum. I have to be a big fan of something to join a forum and discuss the books. I just began the Malazan Book of the Fallen series not too long ago. Had all the books for a while, but hadnt gotten to them yet. I am about 350 pgs into Deadhouse Gates and I am loving it so far. Things were extremely confusing to start with, but I kept with it and things are beginning to make sense. I read the authors' suggested reading order for reading ALL the Malazan books and it appears I'll be mixing Esslemonts books in after Midnight Tides. Would you all recomend doing that, or just reading all of Eriksons, then Esslemonts 6 book series?
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Posted 09 March 2019 - 12:50 AM

As long as you mix in the right way, it is the optimal way to read it. Though Esslemont after Erikson is okay as well, but it may just cause a tad of confusion with side characters and storylines appearing which seem not fully fleshed out. And indeed, correct series mixing would start after Midnight Tides. Enjoy the ride!

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Posted 10 March 2019 - 09:05 PM

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Posted 10 March 2019 - 09:09 PM

Read them in the publication order, with the exception that you should read Return of the Crimson Guard before Toll the Hounds.
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Posted 16 March 2019 - 01:23 PM

Okay, here is the order I have. Any suggested alterations would be appreciated.

Gardens of the Moon
Deadhouse Gates
Memories of Ice
House of Chains
Midnight Tides
Night of Knives (Esslemont #1)
The Bonehunters
Reapers Gale
Return of the Crimson Guard (Esslemont #2)
Toll the Hounds
The Tales of Bauchelain and Korbal Broach #1
Dust of Dreams
Stonewielder (Esslemont #3)
The Crippled God
Orb Scepter Throne (Esslemont #4)
Blood and Bone (Esslemont #5)
Assail (Esslemont #6)
Forge of Darkness (Kharkanas #1)
Fall of Light (Kharkanas #2)
Dancers Lament (Path to Ascendency #1)
Deadhouse Landing (Path to Ascendency #2)


Also, I believe there are other short stories and novellas I am missing. If anyone knows what all I'm missing and where they should be in the order it would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Posted 16 March 2019 - 06:42 PM

That's a good order. I suggest maybe moving Forge of Darkness to before Blood and Bone though.
You're only missing Bauch & Korbal volume 2 and the short story Goats of Glory which is completely divorced from any of the other stories.

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Posted 04 April 2019 - 08:20 PM

Hey there, I'm new.

(quite)A few years ago a friend of mine suggested me to read the Malazan Book of the Fallen series. I did and was super thankful of him for showing me this absolute best piece of fantasy I have yet read.

A few years later he suggested to me that re-reading the series is awesome and that I should try it. And I did again. I have never yet read a book twice in my life. And so far it's an even better experience than the first go-through.


Now I found my way here, of my own accord. :)
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Posted 22 April 2019 - 08:50 PM

H'lo all.
I'm currently up to Toll the Hounds in the main series, having read Night of Knives and Return of the Crimson Guard from the Novels of the Malazan Empire series.
I'm still not sure what I think of this series. The Chain of Dogs story line was amazing, and it definitely has some likable characters (Kruppe, Tehol, Bugg, Trull) and some badassery (Anomander, Karsa, Urko), but it seems a little... eclectic. Even at TtH, I still have no idea about Kellanved's character, Dancer seems a completely different person between Gardens of the Moon and the rest of the series, Laseen is always talked up as being clever but makes a lot of stupid decisions, Tayschrenn is completely different after GotM, etc.
I still think it's a pretty good series, but not as good as other fantasies I've read (Brandon Sanderson's Stormlight Archive, Glenn Cook's Black Company, Brent Weeks' Lightbringer, Django Wexler's Shadow Campaigns, Daniel Abraham's Long Price, etc). It is definitely better than the horrifically overrated A Song of Ice and Fire, however.
The main problem I have is that although the books are gripping once you get into them, it's difficult to do so. For example, it is possible to go from The Way of Kings to Words of Radiance to Oathbringer without missing a beat (which I have done on a couple of re-reads), but it is difficult to go from Deadhouse Gates to Memories of Ice. It definitely has enough draw to make me want to read to the end - I'll see what I think once I read tCG.
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Posted 22 April 2019 - 10:22 PM

View PostJohn II, on 22 April 2019 - 08:50 PM, said:

H'lo all.
I'm currently up to Toll the Hounds in the main series, having read Night of Knives and Return of the Crimson Guard from the Novels of the Malazan Empire series.
I'm still not sure what I think of this series. The Chain of Dogs story line was amazing, and it definitely has some likable characters (Kruppe, Tehol, Bugg, Trull) and some badassery (Anomander, Karsa, Urko), but it seems a little... eclectic. Even at TtH, I still have no idea about Kellanved's character, Dancer seems a completely different person between Gardens of the Moon and the rest of the series, Laseen is always talked up as being clever but makes a lot of stupid decisions, Tayschrenn is completely different after GotM, etc.
I still think it's a pretty good series, but not as good as other fantasies I've read (Brandon Sanderson's Stormlight Archive, Glenn Cook's Black Company, Brent Weeks' Lightbringer, Django Wexler's Shadow Campaigns, Daniel Abraham's Long Price, etc). It is definitely better than the horrifically overrated A Song of Ice and Fire, however.
The main problem I have is that although the books are gripping once you get into them, it's difficult to do so. For example, it is possible to go from The Way of Kings to Words of Radiance to Oathbringer without missing a beat (which I have done on a couple of re-reads), but it is difficult to go from Deadhouse Gates to Memories of Ice. It definitely has enough draw to make me want to read to the end - I'll see what I think once I read tCG.




Hello, fellow newbie here (just finished MBotF). That is an interesting point because I had the exact opposite reaction to Stormlight Archives vs. MBotF, haha. I think the complexities of MBotF really shine compared to SA and it seems to me to be more of a developed world than Roshar. I think Sanderson doesn't develop each individual world enough (with him using them as a means to explore the Cosmere) and I feel like the settings sometimes feel artificial, as if they were created specifically for the books' plotlines. Whereas Malazan seems to have all the history present, with the story only being one of many that take place there.
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Posted 23 April 2019 - 01:51 AM

View PostTJack, on 22 April 2019 - 10:22 PM, said:

Hello, fellow newbie here (just finished MBotF). That is an interesting point because I had the exact opposite reaction to Stormlight Archives vs. MBotF, haha. I think the complexities of MBotF really shine compared to SA and it seems to me to be more of a developed world than Roshar. I think Sanderson doesn't develop each individual world enough (with him using them as a means to explore the Cosmere) and I feel like the settings sometimes feel artificial, as if they were created specifically for the books' plotlines. Whereas Malazan seems to have all the history present, with the story only being one of many that take place there.


Ha, and I liked SA partly for the reason you mention. I like how the story we are being told is the main theme of the world - it makes it properly epic. Besides that, the consequences for Stormlight characters can be much more dire than for Malazan characters. Dalinar and co are trying to save an entire world, and a failure on their part means that everyone on Roshar dies, and the rest of the Cosmere is in danger, whereas if someone like Coltaine or Dujek fails it just means a campaign lost, or at worst the loss of an empire which isn't really a big deal. I guess I like the epicness of Stormlight. Probably for that reason, too, I also prefer Mistborn to Stormlight. Erikson also has random bits from other happenings thrown around which don't seem to be tied up. For example, there is (minor tBH spoilers)
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which doesn't seem to be explained at all. Whereas Sanderson has very few loose ends. Some of the other series I mentioned, especially The Black Company also have these loose ends, although it isn't as serious as MBotF.
I also prefer Sanderson's characters - Erikson's have more badassery (with the exception of Sanderson's Vessels, which don't really play as direct a part as the Ascendants; the other exception is probably the Lord Ruler, who would provide the most boring fight ever against Rhulad), but I find it easier to root for Sanderson's. It is easy to get behind the likes of Kaladin and Kelsier, but not so much (I find) Fiddler and Crokus. Sanderson's humour is also another thing in his favour - the Wit scenes in Stormlight have me rolling on the floor without fail, as do the Wayne sequences in the W&W books.
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Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:32 AM

It seems that we have our likes pointed in exact oposite directions, haha. I like all the loose ends in MBotF, oddly enough. I see them as entirely separate stories that just happen to overlap with the one being told. I think this makes the world itself more epic, although I get where you are coming from in regards to SA. For me the epic part of MBotF come from the ramifications of that lost campaign and how those events will be shaped by the future (I'm thinking Chain of Dogs here). I feel like Sanderson is firmly rooted in the present, which I agree makes his books more readable (although I don't know about rereadable) but is not really what I like. Erikson to me writes characters and event's with a more grounded, realistic bent, whereas Sanderson writes with a more idealized and fun(not to say always happy) bent. I see the allure of both sides and I feel more inclined toward the former, but I can understand the enjoyment that one would get from reading the latter.
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Posted 23 April 2019 - 04:01 AM

View PostTJack, on 23 April 2019 - 03:32 AM, said:

It seems that we have our likes pointed in exact oposite directions, haha. I like all the loose ends in MBotF, oddly enough. I see them as entirely separate stories that just happen to overlap with the one being told. I think this makes the world itself more epic, although I get where you are coming from in regards to SA. For me the epic part of MBotF come from the ramifications of that lost campaign and how those events will be shaped by the future (I'm thinking Chain of Dogs here). I feel like Sanderson is firmly rooted in the present, which I agree makes his books more readable (although I don't know about rereadable) but is not really what I like. Erikson to me writes characters and event's with a more grounded, realistic bent, whereas Sanderson writes with a more idealized and fun(not to say always happy) bent. I see the allure of both sides and I feel more inclined toward the former, but I can understand the enjoyment that one would get from reading the latter.


Yep, that was sort of my point (opposite directions). As I said, I haven't finished it yet, and I find that the ending often affects my enjoyment a lot, either negatively (eg: Brent Weeks' Night Angel) or positively (eg: Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn); we'll see what I think about it then.
Totally agree on the ramifications of the Chain of Dogs, etc. As I alluded to earlier, the COD is for me the high point of the series.
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Posted 23 April 2019 - 06:49 PM

View PostJohn II, on 23 April 2019 - 04:01 AM, said:

View PostTJack, on 23 April 2019 - 03:32 AM, said:

It seems that we have our likes pointed in exact oposite directions, haha. I like all the loose ends in MBotF, oddly enough. I see them as entirely separate stories that just happen to overlap with the one being told. I think this makes the world itself more epic, although I get where you are coming from in regards to SA. For me the epic part of MBotF come from the ramifications of that lost campaign and how those events will be shaped by the future (I'm thinking Chain of Dogs here). I feel like Sanderson is firmly rooted in the present, which I agree makes his books more readable (although I don't know about rereadable) but is not really what I like. Erikson to me writes characters and event's with a more grounded, realistic bent, whereas Sanderson writes with a more idealized and fun(not to say always happy) bent. I see the allure of both sides and I feel more inclined toward the former, but I can understand the enjoyment that one would get from reading the latter.


Yep, that was sort of my point (opposite directions). As I said, I haven't finished it yet, and I find that the ending often affects my enjoyment a lot, either negatively (eg: Brent Weeks' Night Angel) or positively (eg: Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn); we'll see what I think about it then.
Totally agree on the ramifications of the Chain of Dogs, etc. As I alluded to earlier, the COD is for me the high point of the series.


Well have fun with the series. The ending to TtH is pretty great, so I hope you enjoy it!
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Posted 27 April 2019 - 10:58 AM

I tired reading Gardens of the Moons some years ago, but I assumed that the huge amount of made up names and places meant the author was making things up as he went, and abandoned it partway through. After reading pretty much every other epic fantasy out there, I decided to give it a try, because I kept seeing it praised in other forums.

I've now read Gardens of the Moon, that Deadhouse Gates (which I'd describe as desiccated and ocher), and the Path to Ascendancy trilogy, and I'm hooked. I love the depth behind the world and characters, and the way it seems to be telling events in a broad rich world, instead of just creating a plot with a neat beginning and end. I'm on to Memories of Ice and the rest of them, and don't imagine I'll run out of things to read for a while now.
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Posted 26 May 2019 - 03:26 PM

Hi everyone! I just finished tCG last week and am excited to be able to discuss the series with other people without worrying about massive spoilers. I absolutely loved these books. They're all I can think about. It's amazing to me, because when I first read GotM years ago, I thought it was pretty good, but when I continued onto DHG I kind of lost interest and put it down halfway through.

Then I picked up the series again the beginning of this year. Rereading GotM was an incredible experience. I can't believe how much better it was. Somehow, so much of the funny dialogue escaped me the first time. Then I continued onto DHG and this time was enthralled. After MOI I was officially hooked and after that book, I averaged about a book a week.

I think my favorite thing about the series is the little acts of humanity sprinkled all over the place. Even minor characters behave in a way that feels fully fleshed out. I'm afraid these books have ruined other fantasy series for me. I just started Way of Kings to give myself a cooling off period before I begin reread of all the Malazan books. WoK is pretty good so far, but I already feel like Sanderson is lacking compared to Erikson. I'm sure it will continue to grown on me though.

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Posted 26 May 2019 - 07:26 PM

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